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of the people (R)
 
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of the people (D)
 
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of the elite (R)
 
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of the elite (D)
 
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« on: April 20, 2017, 04:10:18 PM »

This is one of the major themes in discussions in this forum, so I want to see what share of the forum thinks what.
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2017, 04:32:00 PM »

I think we should be winning suburbs and rural areas (including people with high educations who don't actually pursue a career related to academia).  But, my ideal Republican Party would trade the Rust Belt and libertarian areas of the West for a stronger grip on areas like GA-6.  Wisconsin and Pennsylvania would still be competitive, but the maps in the states would look very different.  We would do significantly better with Hispanics due to strong family values and dropping the immigration issue.  The map might look something like this:

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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 04:33:06 PM »

I have a hard time believing most here would seriously prefer their party to be one of the elites.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2017, 04:36:05 PM »

These seems to be based off two fundamental falsehoods:

1. Elites aren't people.
2. Most people aren't elites in some form of another.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 06:29:47 PM »

As long as I agree with the platform of the party, why should it matter to me what other types of people are voting for the party?
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2017, 07:34:59 PM »

As long as I agree with the platform of the party, why should it matter to me what other types of people are voting for the party?
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2017, 12:15:52 AM »

I have a hard time believing most here would seriously prefer their party to be one of the elites.

If only for arithmetic reasons.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2017, 02:57:41 AM »

I have a hard time believing most here would seriously prefer their party to be one of the elites.

If only for arithmetic reasons.

     The party of the elites has an advantage in another form of arithmetic:

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 03:07:20 AM »

Everyone believes his party's policies help the people. Otherwise, he wouldn't be supporting it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2017, 05:18:19 AM »

As long as I agree with the platform of the party, why should it matter to me what other types of people are voting for the party?

Culture definitely plays as much into what a party believes as anything else in politics does, although it's obviously not unheard of to have people like Goldwater who vote Republican but have otherwise "liberal-friendly" lifestyles or socialists like Nathan who go to church every week and have a strong preference for small towns over big cities.
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2017, 05:48:46 AM »

Copying from ER, if I had the power to redraw the map, it would probably look something like this:



States with wealthier cities in exchange for a strong rural base with the live-and-let-live atmosphere of the Mountain West instead of the religious fundamentalism of the Deep South.  Preferably the oil industry wouldn't be as strong in the Plains here because I would want this new hypothetical Democratic Party to stick to its environmental plank.  The GOP base would primarily consist of hardline social conservatives and rich suburban WASPs who want low taxes.

I dunno.  Does that map make sense?  Probably not, but I haven't slept in hours.

(And let me reemphasize that this map is based on culture, not so much politics.  Obviously I wouldn't want to give California to the Republicans. Tongue)
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2017, 11:02:59 AM »

As long as I agree with the platform of the party, why should it matter to me what other types of people are voting for the party?

Culture definitely plays as much into what a party believes as anything else in politics does, although it's obviously not unheard of to have people like Goldwater who vote Republican but have otherwise "liberal-friendly" lifestyles or socialists like Nathan who go to church every week and have a strong preference for small towns over big cities.

I suppose that's true, but I have no idea culture lines up with my views. Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2017, 01:10:20 PM »

Well, I want my party to win, so of the people (R). But I don't particularly understand what the question is asking. "Elites" has basically become a term used to mean people the speaker doesn't like.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2017, 01:52:25 PM »

As long as I agree with the platform of the party, why should it matter to me what other types of people are voting for the party?
This assumes that ideology and perspective are independent of each other, which I don't think is accurate. Class has an enormous impact on the sorts of policies and ideas people are open too, both from the standpoint of social values and self-interest. You won't find many bankers in the Socialist Party, for instance. Personally, I think the duality presented by this poll is too restrictive - the distinction between working class laborers and middle class professionals is quite important - but generally, the philosophical question (whether sovereignty ought to rest with the demos or the optimates) is an important one.

For myself, obviously the people (Jeffersonian).
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2017, 01:54:42 PM »

I'd prefer rule by elites who embody the values of the people.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2017, 03:29:11 PM »

Everyone believes his party's policies help the people. Otherwise, he wouldn't be supporting it.

This.  Very few people think they're not voting in a somewhat egalitarian way.

Anyway, obviously there has never been an election won in any nation, state or county by a party that wasn't - at least in one way or another - the party of the people.  The Federalists had support from a lot of not-so-well off but very religious and puritan folks, for example.  Republicans after the Great Depression, carying a similar stigma, were still winning rock-ribbed GOP districts that weren't very well off in the rural Midweset, New England and West, yeah?  There's never been a party of the elite, in the truest sense, and there never will be; it'd get about 5% of the vote.

Now, I certainly don't want my party to engage in (forgive me for the term) "class warfare," either economically or culturally or whatever.  Demonizing people who are more educated or wealthier than you is just ... not a good look.
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