France 2017: Results Thread

[JA]

2nd round vote by 1st round voters:

Not surprising, large chunk of the left throwing a tantrum there. "Marcon and LePen are the sames!!1!1!1".

53% of Mélenchon voters supported FBM, but only 48% of Fillon's did, but of course a right-winger like you only takes issue with the former.

Generally the right always turns out, the left doesn't. It goes for far stricter purity tests so they'd prefer LePen winning than holding their nose and making sure it doesn't happen. White privilege at it's finest!

"Vote for our awful candidate who violates your values and convictions or else we'll invoke the White Privilege card against you!!!"

Well you certainly don't see minorities doing that. They don't really have a choice, they know that one side wants them basically dead and the other doesn't, they may not like them but they'll still vote for him. You only see it with middle and well to do whites so I don't know how else you would describe it.

Ah yes, because there are zero non-Whites who voted third party or abstained in the American election or in the French election. And you know that how, exactly?

[The Other Castro]

Incredible how well Norbert Hofer did compared with that woman.

If Chancellor Faymann didn't resign a few days earlier, then ...

No reason to eyeroll. Think about it: He lost with 49.7% of the vote and if unpopular Faymann didn't step down, he might have won. Well, not might have, he would have.

Not questioning your logic, just the placement of such analysis is strange as usual in a non-Austrian related thread.

[JA]

2nd round vote by 1st round voters:

Not surprising, large chunk of the left throwing a tantrum there. "Marcon and LePen are the sames!!1!1!1".

53% of Mélenchon voters supported FBM, but only 48% of Fillon's did, but of course a right-winger like you only takes issue with the former.

Generally the right always turns out, the left doesn't. It goes for far stricter purity tests so they'd prefer LePen winning than holding their nose and making sure it doesn't happen. White privilege at it's finest!

"Vote for our awful candidate who violates your values and convictions or else we'll invoke the White Privilege card against you!!!"

I'd say there is a big difference - you can imagine some people voting Fillon would actually consider themselves more aligned with Le Pen than with Macron.

Melenchon voters on the other hand are just being silly when not backing Macron.

Why? What did Macron offer that would be attractive to Melenchon voters? And don't mention Le Pen in your response; I don't want to hear how Macron was better as a reason.

[Tender Branson]

Incredible how well Norbert Hofer did compared with that woman.

If Chancellor Faymann didn't resign a few days earlier, then ...

No reason to eyeroll. Think about it: He lost with 49.7% of the vote and if unpopular Faymann didn't step down, he might have won. Well, not might have, he would have.

Not questioning your logic, just the placement of such analysis is strange as usual in a non-Austrian related thread.

Only because it's relevant. People compare it all the time with Trump and Brexit, so a Hofer-comparison is also legitimate.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Looks like Le Pen might win Haute-Marne??? Might win a department or two after all

[Dereich]

Time to get rid of the myth that nationalist choices always have better polling results than polls show. It actually works both ways: Brexit and Trump on one side but Le Pen and Hofer on the other. It only creates unpredictibility.

59-41 for Macron, with over 6 million votes counted, of some about 35 million expected.

Not just Le Pen and Hofer; according to this tweet by Nate Silver, this is the sixth European election in a row where the nationalist candidate under-performed their poll numbers.

[Gustaf]

2nd round vote by 1st round voters:

Not surprising, large chunk of the left throwing a tantrum there. "Marcon and LePen are the sames!!1!1!1".

53% of Mélenchon voters supported FBM, but only 48% of Fillon's did, but of course a right-winger like you only takes issue with the former.

Generally the right always turns out, the left doesn't. It goes for far stricter purity tests so they'd prefer LePen winning than holding their nose and making sure it doesn't happen. White privilege at it's finest!

"Vote for our awful candidate who violates your values and convictions or else we'll invoke the White Privilege card against you!!!"

I'd say there is a big difference - you can imagine some people voting Fillon would actually consider themselves more aligned with Le Pen than with Macron.

Melenchon voters on the other hand are just being silly when not backing Macron.

Why? What did Macron offer that would be attractive to Melenchon voters? And don't mention Le Pen in your response; I don't want to hear how Macron was better as a reason.

If you're left you should prefer a liberal to a fascist. If you're a conservative it's plausible you might prefer a fascist. Also, my answer was quite literally tongue-in-cheek.

[JerryArkansas]

Incredible how well Norbert Hofer did compared with that woman.

If Chancellor Faymann didn't resign a few days earlier, then ...

No reason to eyeroll. Think about it: He lost with 49.7% of the vote and if unpopular Faymann didn't step down, he might have won. Well, not might have, he would have.

Not questioning your logic, just the placement of such analysis is strange as usual in a non-Austrian related thread.

Only because it's relevant. People compare it all the time with Trump and Brexit, so a Hofer-comparison is also legitimate.

Its not.  You don't have to compare everything which occurs to what has occurred in Austria.

[Strudelcutie4427]

Omg, a black FN MP is on France 24 right now, that is very strange, why would a minority be a part of such filth.

Maybe FN fits his beliefs, you know minorities aren't a monolithic group thinking entities like you on the left think they are. Doesn't he have the right to think the way he wants or only the way you want him

[Tender Branson]

Time to get rid of the myth that nationalist choices always have better polling results than polls show. It actually works both ways: Brexit and Trump on one side but Le Pen and Hofer on the other. It only creates unpredictibility.

59-41 for Macron, with over 6 million votes counted, of some about 35 million expected.

Not just Le Pen and Hofer; according to this tweet by Nate Silver, this is the sixth European election in a row where the nationalist candidate under-performed their poll numbers.

Not a surprise: People around here see the calamity that is Trump and fear for their country's reputation abroad.

[ApatheticAustrian]

if austria is relevant right now then only cause even a far-right-friendly country like austria rejected the far right since trump's technical victory and the rest of europe has followed through with it.

congratulations everyone, italy is my only mental problem child right now.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Omg, a black FN MP is on France 24 right now, that is very strange, why would a minority be a part of such filth.

Maybe FN fits his beliefs, you know minorities aren't a monolithic group thinking entities like you on the left think they are. Doesn't he have the right to think the way he wants or only the way you want him

Not really a leftist but m'kay, and as a minority I am fully aware of that, but the FN platform actively goes against minorities and the like, but I am not going to debate that.

[JA]

Time to get rid of the myth that nationalist choices always have better polling results than polls show. It actually works both ways: Brexit and Trump on one side but Le Pen and Hofer on the other. It only creates unpredictibility.

59-41 for Macron, with over 6 million votes counted, of some about 35 million expected.

Not just Le Pen and Hofer; according to this tweet by Nate Silver, this is the sixth European election in a row where the nationalist candidate under-performed their poll numbers.

It's wonderful to see the far-right sputtering in Europe and unable to even win a plurality in the American Presidential Election. However, part of the reason seems to be the co-opting of far-right rhetoric and policies by more mainstream parties, such as the Dutch VVD, the Republicans with Fillon in France, the Tories in the UK, and almost all mainstream parties in Denmark.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Omg, a black FN MP is on France 24 right now, that is very strange, why would a minority be a part of such filth.

they are always cause......black people are normal but muslims are not and bla....

and ofc, righties love identity politics, so those candidates usually are going public.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Anyways I have Le Pen up in 5 departments right now (Haute-Marne, Ardennes, Aisne, and Oise, and Aube) 2 of those are almost done counting with roughly 4% le pen wins, 2 of them have barely anything so take it with a grain of salt as of now

[JA]

2nd round vote by 1st round voters:

Not surprising, large chunk of the left throwing a tantrum there. "Marcon and LePen are the sames!!1!1!1".

53% of Mélenchon voters supported FBM, but only 48% of Fillon's did, but of course a right-winger like you only takes issue with the former.

Generally the right always turns out, the left doesn't. It goes for far stricter purity tests so they'd prefer LePen winning than holding their nose and making sure it doesn't happen. White privilege at it's finest!

"Vote for our awful candidate who violates your values and convictions or else we'll invoke the White Privilege card against you!!!"

I'd say there is a big difference - you can imagine some people voting Fillon would actually consider themselves more aligned with Le Pen than with Macron.

Melenchon voters on the other hand are just being silly when not backing Macron.

Why? What did Macron offer that would be attractive to Melenchon voters? And don't mention Le Pen in your response; I don't want to hear how Macron was better as a reason.

If you're left you should prefer a liberal to a fascist. If you're a conservative it's plausible you might prefer a fascist. Also, my answer was quite literally tongue-in-cheek.

Sorry about that, it's a common argument made and the internet is a notoriously difficult place to detect sarcasm. But yes, in general a liberal is preferable to a fascist. I don't deny being very happy to see Le Pen routed like this. Unfortunately, it also means Macron, with his awful economic agenda, will become President. Time for the French left to turnout for the parliamentary elections.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Anyways I have Le Pen up in 5 departments right now (Haute-Marne, Ardennes, Aisne, and Oise, and Aube) 2 of those are almost done counting with roughly 4% le pen wins, 2 of them have barely anything so take it with a grain of salt as of now

also narrowly ahead in Somme, Nord, Pas de Calais so make that 7 those 3 are barely counted

[Donnie]

April 23.....

Macron is surging in PredictIt's most votes in first round market:

Macron - 65% (+26)
Le Pen - 35% (-25)

[ApatheticAustrian]

Time to get rid of the myth that nationalist choices always have better polling results than polls show. It actually works both ways: Brexit and Trump on one side but Le Pen and Hofer on the other. It only creates unpredictibility.

59-41 for Macron, with over 6 million votes counted, of some about 35 million expected.

Not just Le Pen and Hofer; according to this tweet by Nate Silver, this is the sixth European election in a row where the nationalist candidate under-performed their poll numbers.

It's wonderful to see the far-right sputtering in Europe and unable to even win a plurality in the American Presidential Election. However, part of the reason seems to be the co-opting of far-right rhetoric and policies by more mainstream parties, such as the Dutch VVD, the Republicans with Fillon in France, the Tories in the UK, and almost all mainstream parties in Denmark.

yeah, the new right is making progress and in-roads but over here we are much...curious...and feel russian influence more directly.

we europeans need an european identity and further integration to tackle our current problems, also regarding our welfare states, otherwise this won't end good.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

With 79% of Communes reporting:

Macron:
5,681,080 votes - 59.8%

Le Pen:
3,816,442 - 40.2%

[heatcharger]

jaichind is nowhere to be seen.

[TheSaint250]

Disgusting

[alomas]

Not just Le Pen and Hofer; according to this tweet by Nate Silver, this is the sixth European election in a row where the nationalist candidate under-performed their poll numbers.

Yeah, nationalist candidate just create more unpredictability, but there is no such thng as permanent nationalist-bias in the polls. The problem is treating 3-point lead as an assured win, while it is not. I personally think Nate Silver is doing a very good job and analysed US election very well.

Macron 59.8-40.2 Le Pen as we edge to 30%. Marine about to drop to 30s any time soon.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

It'll be interesting to see if Macron can carry the EM! to a parliamentary majority in the legislative elections next month.

[Gustaf]

2nd round vote by 1st round voters:

Not surprising, large chunk of the left throwing a tantrum there. "Marcon and LePen are the sames!!1!1!1".

53% of Mélenchon voters supported FBM, but only 48% of Fillon's did, but of course a right-winger like you only takes issue with the former.

Generally the right always turns out, the left doesn't. It goes for far stricter purity tests so they'd prefer LePen winning than holding their nose and making sure it doesn't happen. White privilege at it's finest!

"Vote for our awful candidate who violates your values and convictions or else we'll invoke the White Privilege card against you!!!"

I'd say there is a big difference - you can imagine some people voting Fillon would actually consider themselves more aligned with Le Pen than with Macron.

Melenchon voters on the other hand are just being silly when not backing Macron.

Why? What did Macron offer that would be attractive to Melenchon voters? And don't mention Le Pen in your response; I don't want to hear how Macron was better as a reason.

If you're left you should prefer a liberal to a fascist. If you're a conservative it's plausible you might prefer a fascist. Also, my answer was quite literally tongue-in-cheek.

Sorry about that, it's a common argument made and the internet is a notoriously difficult place to detect sarcasm. But yes, in general a liberal is preferable to a fascist. I don't deny being very happy to see Le Pen routed like this. Unfortunately, it also means Macron, with his awful economic agenda, will become President. Time for the French left to turnout for the parliamentary elections.

I understand that people who are leftwing can take issue with Macron's economic policies. But if you're committed to socialism it just seems a bit bizarre to be indifferent between normal bourgeois policy and fascism. Fringey conservatives falling for fascism has always been a thing but that's more because they have bad values to begin with.