France 2017: Results Thread

[Gustaf]

2nd round vote by 1st round voters:

Not surprising, large chunk of the left throwing a tantrum there. "Marcon and LePen are the sames!!1!1!1".

53% of Mélenchon voters supported FBM, but only 48% of Fillon's did, but of course a right-winger like you only takes issue with the former.

Generally the right always turns out, the left doesn't. It goes for far stricter purity tests so they'd prefer LePen winning than holding their nose and making sure it doesn't happen. White privilege at it's finest!

"Vote for our awful candidate who violates your values and convictions or else we'll invoke the White Privilege card against you!!!"

I'd say there is a big difference - you can imagine some people voting Fillon would actually consider themselves more aligned with Le Pen than with Macron.

Melenchon voters on the other hand are just being silly when not backing Macron.

[Gustaf]

2nd round vote by 1st round voters:

Not surprising, large chunk of the left throwing a tantrum there. "Marcon and LePen are the sames!!1!1!1".

53% of Mélenchon voters supported FBM, but only 48% of Fillon's did, but of course a right-winger like you only takes issue with the former.

Generally the right always turns out, the left doesn't. It goes for far stricter purity tests so they'd prefer LePen winning than holding their nose and making sure it doesn't happen. White privilege at it's finest!

"Vote for our awful candidate who violates your values and convictions or else we'll invoke the White Privilege card against you!!!"

I'd say there is a big difference - you can imagine some people voting Fillon would actually consider themselves more aligned with Le Pen than with Macron.

Melenchon voters on the other hand are just being silly when not backing Macron.

Why? What did Macron offer that would be attractive to Melenchon voters? And don't mention Le Pen in your response; I don't want to hear how Macron was better as a reason.

If you're left you should prefer a liberal to a fascist. If you're a conservative it's plausible you might prefer a fascist. Also, my answer was quite literally tongue-in-cheek.

[Gustaf]

2nd round vote by 1st round voters:

Not surprising, large chunk of the left throwing a tantrum there. "Marcon and LePen are the sames!!1!1!1".

53% of Mélenchon voters supported FBM, but only 48% of Fillon's did, but of course a right-winger like you only takes issue with the former.

Generally the right always turns out, the left doesn't. It goes for far stricter purity tests so they'd prefer LePen winning than holding their nose and making sure it doesn't happen. White privilege at it's finest!

"Vote for our awful candidate who violates your values and convictions or else we'll invoke the White Privilege card against you!!!"

I'd say there is a big difference - you can imagine some people voting Fillon would actually consider themselves more aligned with Le Pen than with Macron.

Melenchon voters on the other hand are just being silly when not backing Macron.

Why? What did Macron offer that would be attractive to Melenchon voters? And don't mention Le Pen in your response; I don't want to hear how Macron was better as a reason.

If you're left you should prefer a liberal to a fascist. If you're a conservative it's plausible you might prefer a fascist. Also, my answer was quite literally tongue-in-cheek.

Sorry about that, it's a common argument made and the internet is a notoriously difficult place to detect sarcasm. But yes, in general a liberal is preferable to a fascist. I don't deny being very happy to see Le Pen routed like this. Unfortunately, it also means Macron, with his awful economic agenda, will become President. Time for the French left to turnout for the parliamentary elections.

I understand that people who are leftwing can take issue with Macron's economic policies. But if you're committed to socialism it just seems a bit bizarre to be indifferent between normal bourgeois policy and fascism. Fringey conservatives falling for fascism has always been a thing but that's more because they have bad values to begin with.

[Gustaf]

They really have nothing to lose by it though, a lot of them probably support LePen in some way and if they don't vote and she wins/loses their ok. But it's a clear option for Melenchon voters, either you support Marcon or you run the risk of a fascist winning. Very easy choice to make which makes it much more bizarre.

So it's OK to vote for a fascist if you're one of the people who do well under fascism? Gotcha.

I don't think the point is that it's "ok". But it's hard to mock a fascist for voting their side. What else are they gonna be doing? It's more offensive to have people betray their team due to pettiness or purity issues.