YAF threaten to sue UC Berkeley in Ann Coulter First Amendment Case

[EnglishPete]

Mayor Arreguin has said that there needs to be a more visible presence at protests like the ones happening later today. He said that protesters engaging in vandalism and violence will be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/berkeley-mayor-vows-crackdown-alt-right-antifa-ann-coulter

What happened? I thought that the police shouldn't be so heavy handed and should, to a great extent, let the protests run their course.

The head of UC Berkeley police has said there will be a heavy police presence in Berkeley today. What's gone wrong? Their theory was that responding to violent political riots with heavy policing would just inflame matters and a light touch approach would calm things down more. They stood down during the Milo riot as supposedly that was the best way to minimise the damage.

Are the mayor and the U Cal police finding that this approach doesn't work and that dealing firmly with rioters with a heavy police presence and low toleration for their lawbreaking will actually work better. Maybe if they had thought of that when they were policing the Milo speech, maybe if they had cracked down hard on antifa rioters then they wouldn't be having this massive headache today. If there are major problems for the city and university from today's events they will only have themselves to blame. Let's hope that they've learned their lesson

[EnglishPete]

The protest is due to start at 2pm today in the MLK Civic Center Park in Berkeley.

[EnglishPete]

Looks like the Police are actually going ahead with the more hands on approach to policing

Police helicopter flying overhead

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/857641041737818112

Heavy police presence

https://twitter.com/TheeCurrentYear/status/857645385283764224

Student arrested for not taking off his mask

https://twitter.com/revati_thatte/status/857658877042540544

Water filled barriers put up

https://twitter.com/dailycal/status/857653559499698176

You see its not so difficult when they try. Let's see if they keep this up.

[EnglishPete]

     So another riot? Ugh.

Actually there wasn't another riot. The rally passed off entirely peacefully. Antifa/BAMN kept their distance from the rally, obviously lacking the numbers and seeing the large and active police presence. There were a few left wing protestors near the rally but there were entirely peaceful so nothing happened. There was also a relatively small BAMN/Antifa protest outside a local school a little distance away. The rallygoers passed to protest as they were leaving after the rally and the two groups shouted insults at each other with a police line inbetween but that was the limit of it.

The police were out in force yesterday. Five people were arrested according to Berkeley PD. The law was being enforced so antifa didn't have the opportunity to really try anything. The mayor, the university (and some people on this forum) had previously said 'The police need to stand back in these situations, they don't want to infalme the situation and make it worse by stepping in'.  Guess what. Once the mayor is made aware that a massive national spotlight is on him personally and his links to dodgy far left organisations then he revises his theories. He gets the police to step up instead of stand down and it works. Violence is avoided.

Its almost as if he realised that his "lets not inflame things with heavy policing" theory was rubbish all along and as soon as he realised that he personally was being held accountable he dumped that policy.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

whoops, looks like the right's predilection for projection proceeds as usual

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-On the left wearing goggles & masks: Trump supporters.
-On the right w/o masks: Antifa.

Remember this later. #BerkeleyProtest



So the #BerkeleyProtest is a... paid protest?

.....Funded by Cernovich.



*Ahem*
L: A Finnish White nationalist group planning provocation/sabotage.
R: Jack Posobiec using their propaganda to falsely blame "Antifa"

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*incidentally, mods, why are y'alls letting englishpete link to this creep?

[EnglishPete]

Well SUSAN CRUSHBONE lets answer a few of those questions. A non violent and unmasked "anti racist" group did indeed protest outside the rally


And do you know how much violence there was directed at this group by the 'Proudboys' and 'Oathkeepers' and others at the rally? Zero. The rallygoers were all delighted that the rally passed off without violence.

The reason why it passed off without violence was no thanks to the antifa groups who had initiated the violence at the three previous Berkeley events this year. what happened was that

There was a national outcry over Ann Coulter having her First Amendments rights blocked by an illegal 'Heckler's Veto' (I realise that you approve of the 'Heckler's Veto' and think it should be encouraged but that doesn't alter the position of the law on the matter).

Antifa had tried and failed to shut down a demo on 15 April, after which a few were doxxed. This surpressed turnout on the antifa side.

The mayor had been embarrassed by his links with BAMN being publicised and the outcry over his previous 'stand down' orders to police. He realised that he would be held personally responsible for any trouble. So he ordered the police to do their jobs, not stand down, force people to take their masks off, arrest people carrying concealed weapons, starting trouble etc. As a result those antifa who had been violent on the 15th backed off yesterday.

That is what the right wing groups wanted to achieve. They didn't wan to start fights with antifa. They wanted to defend themselves against attacks from them and they wanted to force the authorities and police to actually do their job and stop antifa from engaging in blatant lawbreaking.

As for why the right wingers had helmets, gas, masks and goggles with them don't you think that that might have something to do with violent antifa throw rocks, bottles and fireworks at them and spraying them with mace?

Seriously Susan I have to ask you, if a political group has a violent mob throwing rock, bottles and mace at them and the police are ordered to stand down then how should that group defend itself. Should they not be allowed to wear helmets because that's unfair to rocks?

[EnglishPete]

*incidentally, mods, why are y'alls letting englishpete link to this creep?

Is it not allowed to link to 'fascists'?

Seriously there's a 'Report to moderator' button at the bottom of the posts you can use if you think this violates community standards. Perhaps if you explained why this particular fascist post I linked to violated community standards.

[ProudModerate2]

Are we all in agreement that EnglishPete is alt-right, or has some alt-right/fascist "tendencies" ?

[EnglishPete]

Are we all in agreement that EnglishPete is alt-right, or has some alt-right/fascist "tendencies" ?

And?

[ProudModerate2]

Are we all in agreement that EnglishPete is alt-right, or has some alt-right/fascist "tendencies" ?

And?

A Nazi, and proud of it.
Congratulations.

[EnglishPete]

Are we all in agreement that EnglishPete is alt-right, or has some alt-right/fascist "tendencies" ?

And?

A Nazi, and proud of it.
Congratulations.

Go forth and multiply.

[Torie]

I'm locking this thread. This Nazi stuff needs to be lost.