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Fuzzy Bear
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« on: April 23, 2017, 09:06:06 PM »

Rate and rank the difficulty it would take for a person who could be described as any one of the following (assuming they're a legitimate candidate and not some flake or lunatic) to be elected President in 2020 (assuming Trump is the GOP nominee).

White Female
Black Female
Hispanic Female
Jewish Female
Lesbian
Gay male
Bi-Sexual Male
Bi-Sexual Female
Hispanic Male
Hispanic Female
Openly non-religious (atheist)
Muslim Male
Muslim Female
Jewish Male
Jewish Female
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (single)
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (dating)
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (cohabiting)

Are any of these things barriers to the Presidency nowadays?  Assuming the candidates are normal, are any of these classifications a "no way" for the Presidency these days if the candidate is a reasonable candidate (experienced, coherent, no disqualifying scandals)?
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2017, 09:30:39 PM »

I don't think Hispanic or Jewish is completely out of the question, but it is my personal feeling that the 2020 Dem nominee will be a white male. The identity thing didn't work in 2016 and I think it will be put to rest for a while.
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2017, 10:43:09 PM »
« Edited: April 23, 2017, 10:44:50 PM by MM876 »

Based on the candidate slate that's forming for 2020, these are the "first"s that are serious possibilities for 2020:
Jewish Male-Sanders, Franken
White Female-Warren, Klobuchar, etc.
Black Female-Harris
Jewish Female-Klobuchar
Lesbian-Baldwin
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (single)-Booker

These are possible, but not particularly likely either to run or to win
Hispanic Male-Castro
Hispanic Female-Cortez-Masto
Bi-Sexual Female-Kate Brown
Muslim Male-Ellison

And these are "first"s that are simply not happening in 2020:
Openly non-religious (atheist)
There are plenty of non-religious people who won't make that a public part of their campaign, but none who would admit to or profess atheism.
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (dating)
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (cohabiting)
Gay male

If Booker is dating a girl going into 2020 then the smart thing to do would be either marry or break up with her to prevent that from being an issue going forward. As for the 'gay male', the only possibility of that happening is also Booker, and all jokes aside those rumors are almost certainly nonsense.

Both of these probably will happen over time as secularism and sexual preference become less constrained, so we'll probably have these "first"s within the century, but not certainly in 2020:
Bi-Sexual Male
Openly non-religious (atheist)
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2017, 10:51:44 PM »

You definitely can't be a muslim or atheist and win in 2020; let alone even 12 years from now.

Nationwide, I think it's worse to be Muslim than to be atheist these days.
I also think it's still too soon to be LGBT, but these are slightly more likely than getting elected if you're Muslim, and one is slightly more likely to get elected if one is atheist than if LGBT.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2017, 10:59:47 PM »

Based on the candidate slate that's forming for 2020, these are the "first"s that are serious possibilities for 2020:
Jewish Male-Sanders, Franken
White Female-Warren, Klobuchar, etc.
Black Female-Harris
Jewish Female-Klobuchar
Lesbian-Baldwin
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (single)-Booker

These are possible, but not particularly likely either to run or to win
Hispanic Male-Castro
Hispanic Female-Cortez-Masto
Bi-Sexual Female-Kate Brown
Muslim Male-Ellison

And these are "first"s that are simply not happening in 2020:
Openly non-religious (atheist)
There are plenty of non-religious people who won't make that a public part of their campaign, but none who would admit to or profess atheism.
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (dating)
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (cohabiting)
Gay male

If Booker is dating a girl going into 2020 then the smart thing to do would be either marry or break up with her to prevent that from being an issue going forward. As for the 'gay male', the only possibility of that happening is also Booker, and all jokes aside those rumors are almost certainly nonsense.

Both of these probably will happen over time as secularism and sexual preference become less constrained, so we'll probably have these "first"s within the century, but not certainly in 2020:
Bi-Sexual Male
Openly non-religious (atheist)


Klobuchar is Protestant at least according to Wikipedia.
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2017, 10:59:54 PM »

Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (single)
I know we all would like to forget him, but Buchanan.
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2017, 11:45:26 PM »

I don't think Hispanic or Jewish is completely out of the question, but it is my personal feeling that the 2020 Dem nominee will be a white male. The identity thing didn't work in 2016 and I think it will be put to rest for a while.

"The identity thing didn't work" 2008 & 2012, Black nominee? Also why is it an identity thing for Democrats to nominate someone who isn't a white male? Strongly disagree with people who think that nominating a white man means they aren't playing identity politics. They can nominate someone who isn't a white male and have it not be about identity politics. White is a race too, male is a gender too. Both parties have made the decisions, conscious or not, to nominate only white men for President and Vice President for almost all the time in our history. When they choose not to, we should not criticize it as being cynical or undeserved.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2017, 01:00:38 AM »


Lol, what?  I think you've been misled about her religious background.

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Cuomo too.  He's been with Sandra Lee for years, though they're unmarried.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2017, 01:10:55 AM »

Rate and rank the difficulty it would take for a person who could be described as any one of the following (assuming they're a legitimate candidate and not some flake or lunatic) to be elected President in 2020 (assuming Trump is the GOP nominee).

White Female
Black Female
Hispanic Female
Jewish Female
Lesbian
Gay male
Bi-Sexual Male
Bi-Sexual Female
Hispanic Male
Hispanic Female
Openly non-religious (atheist)
Muslim Male
Muslim Female
Jewish Male
Jewish Female
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (single)
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (dating)
Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (cohabiting)

Are any of these things barriers to the Presidency nowadays?  Assuming the candidates are normal, are any of these classifications a "no way" for the Presidency these days if the candidate is a reasonable candidate (experienced, coherent, no disqualifying scandals)?

We've had a male bachelor president before...
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2017, 01:17:54 AM »


Lol, what?  I think you've been misled about her religious background.

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Cuomo too.  He's been with Sandra Lee for years, though they're unmarried.


My bad, not sure why I thought she was Jewish. In that case, we're probably not getting a Jewish female for a very long time, if at all.

Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (single)
I know we all would like to forget him, but Buchanan.

Oh yeah... well we've still never had an openly gay president, but now that you mention it, there's a fair to high chance Buchanan was gay.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2017, 06:42:32 AM »

Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (single)
I know we all would like to forget him, but Buchanan.

There's a difference between being a bachelor in 1856 and today.  Today, a bachelor President or Presidential candidate would be "romantically linked" to a number of females, and would (quite possibly) have even fathered a child out of wedlock.

James Buchanan, of course, has been rumored to be secretly gay.  In the J. Edgar Hoover tradition, of course.  This has not been confirmed, but it is still a matter of research, due to the nature of Buchanan's relationship (documented by correspondence) with Sen. and VP Rufus King.  Had Buchanan been "outed", either (A) he'd have been impeached and removed, or (B) the person doing the outing would have been slandered to the point where their reputation would have been ruined for their lifetime (to protect Buchanan).  Yet another difference between 1856 and today. 
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2017, 11:17:02 AM »

I don't think Hispanic or Jewish is completely out of the question, but it is my personal feeling that the 2020 Dem nominee will be a white male. The identity thing didn't work in 2016 and I think it will be put to rest for a while.

"The identity thing didn't work" 2008 & 2012, Black nominee? Also why is it an identity thing for Democrats to nominate someone who isn't a white male? Strongly disagree with people who think that nominating a white man means they aren't playing identity politics. They can nominate someone who isn't a white male and have it not be about identity politics. White is a race too, male is a gender too. Both parties have made the decisions, conscious or not, to nominate only white men for President and Vice President for almost all the time in our history. When they choose not to, we should not criticize it as being cynical or undeserved.

Ah, but you see any candidate who isn't a straight white male is a corporate neoliberal shill who doesn't get Middle America.

(Sarcasm, as I completely agree with you.)
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2017, 12:40:34 PM »

Booker and Harris would also be the first presidents to not have had children since...who?  Even Buchanan had adopted kids, so has it ever happened before?

(I guess Harris's husband has kids from his first marriage, but I imagine she hasn't actually adopted them.)
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2017, 07:37:04 PM »

You definitely can't be a muslim or atheist and win in 2020; let alone even 12 years from now.

Nationwide, I think it's worse to be Muslim than to be atheist these days.
I also think it's still too soon to be LGBT, but these are slightly more likely than getting elected if you're Muslim, and one is slightly more likely to get elected if one is atheist than if LGBT.

Surprisingly this is not the case.

People see Bernie Sanders as a liberal Democrat.  People who like him shut out his "democratic socialist" comments.  People who don't like him aren't Democrats, liberals, or moderates who are economically liberal.
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2017, 08:22:01 PM »

I don't see any of these happening. Trump is getting reelected
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2017, 02:18:19 AM »

The only ones I see for 2020 would be:

Hispanic
Jewish
Un-married Male

I don't think any of these is an impediment... in fact, Hispanic is an advantage.
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2017, 02:26:59 AM »

You definitely can't be a muslim or atheist and win in 2020; let alone even 12 years from now.

Nationwide, I think it's worse to be Muslim than to be atheist these days.
I also think it's still too soon to be LGBT, but these are slightly more likely than getting elected if you're Muslim, and one is slightly more likely to get elected if one is atheist than if LGBT.

Surprisingly this is not the case.

Well, by gum, Gallup is always on-the-money accurate, so I must have made an uninformed and implausible guess.
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2017, 02:27:56 AM »

Male Bachelor/Unmarried Female (single)-Booker

James Buchanan never married.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2017, 04:46:40 AM »
« Edited: April 25, 2017, 04:49:33 AM by SCNCmod »


Also... President Jared Kushner is Jewish (although he wasn't actually elected)
(or)
There is a very good chance, based on much he has said... that Trump is Atheist (although I will take him at his word)
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2017, 08:41:12 PM »

I don't see any of these happening. Trump is getting reelected

Hell no.

For me I hope for a first female than anything else in 2020. If not then first non Christian.
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2017, 10:23:07 PM »
« Edited: April 25, 2017, 10:25:23 PM by DK_Mo82 »

Sanders would be first Jewish and oldest elected, and oldest to serve.

Warren, Gabbard, Harris, Gilibrand... first women.

Cuomo first Italian / second catholic.

Booker and others first descendant of slaves.

Ellison, andre Carson first Muslim.

Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama, Oprah Winfrey first black woman nominee.

Trump first to be elected twice while losing popular vote.
Trump first to run for re-election with a different party.
Trump firs tisnc e Lyndon Johnson to not run for re-election.
trump first to be impeached.
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2017, 12:58:57 PM »

One of my favorite jokes from last December.

"To all my Christian friends, I say 'Merry Christmas'.
To all my Jewish friends, I say 'Happy Hannukah'
And to all my atheist friends, I say 'Bernie would have won.'"

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2017, 01:21:05 PM »

Wasn't Sanders an atheist?
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2017, 01:24:09 PM »

Privately? Probably. But publicly he was Jewish.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2017, 03:51:16 PM »

Sanders would be first Jewish and oldest elected, and oldest to serve.

Warren, Gabbard, Harris, Gilibrand... first women.

Cuomo first Italian / second catholic.

Booker and others first descendant of slaves.

Ellison, andre Carson first Muslim.

Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama, Oprah Winfrey first black woman nominee.

Trump first to be elected twice while losing popular vote.
Trump first to run for re-election with a different party.
Trump firs tisnc e Lyndon Johnson to not run for re-election.
trump first to be impeached.
Tammy Baldwin, first woman and first gay/lesbian.

First Jewish, Catholic, woman, descendant of African slaves-- seem most likely. The others--less likely at least for 2020.
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