Keith Ellison blasts Obama for party losses

[Yank2133]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Being in the '50's isn't "high approval ratings", and most of that came from a receiving a break from coverage. He was blatantly in the 40's all the way from the Shutdown until the cycle began.

If he were going for Part III, he might very well have lost as well because of this, and by worse since the platform wouldn't be forced far enough left to satiate the base.

He was at 50% during the election of 2012, when the economy was in much worse shape and he doesn't have the baggage Clinton had.

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   Average Job Approval

Kennedy              70.1
Eisenhower      65.0
G.H.W. Bush      60.9
Clinton               55.1
Johnson               55.1
Reagan              52.8
G.W. Bush                49.4
Nixon               49.0
Obama                47.9
Ford                       47.2
Carter               45.5
Truman              45.4
Look at where Obama is !

[Yank2133]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Pretty ridiculous post because Obama's ratings are at a historic mediocrity. http://www.gallup.com/poll/202742/obama-averages-job-approval-president.aspx

As a matter of fact he has the worst average approval ratings in the recent era. Freaking George Bush has better average approvals than him. Even Richard Nixon has, that is how horrible Obama's ratings are. Bill Clinton had much better ratings

You hold a fringe position & are totally out of touch. That is why Bernie Sanders is consistently the moved popular politician in USA !

It is called the rise of political polarization.

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/

[Yank2133]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

...you actually believe this?

It is the truth from anyone who actually lives outside the lefty bubble. Trump has been loading his administration with people who believe in policies that lead to the crash in 2008. And yet none of the people who voted for Trump (the people Bernie, Perez are trying to win over) give a sh**t.

It is an issue that young, white progressive men care about, but no one else does.

[Shadows]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Pretty ridiculous post because Obama's ratings are at a historic mediocrity. http://www.gallup.com/poll/202742/obama-averages-job-approval-president.aspx

As a matter of fact he has the worst average approval ratings in the recent era. Freaking George Bush has better average approvals than him. Even Richard Nixon has, that is how horrible Obama's ratings are. Bill Clinton had much better ratings

You hold a fringe position & are totally out of touch. That is why Bernie Sanders is consistently the moved popular politician in USA !

It is called the rise of political polarization.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/

Why does George Bush with 26% approval, shunned by his party in 2008, with iraq War has better approvals than Barack Obama? Bush was even in a very divisive partisan era.

And for all the partisan hackery, Bernie Sanders has an approval rating of 57-61% nationwide. Despite a low support from Republicans, he has massive support among Independents powering him up.  Obama has mediocre approval ratings from independents & if you blame everything on polarization, you are being a partisan hack !

[Shadows]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

...you actually believe this?

It is the truth from anyone who actually lives outside the lefty bubble. Trump has been loading his administration with people who believe in policies that lead to the crash in 2008. And yet none of the people who voted for Trump (the people Bernie, Perez are trying to win over) give a sh**t.

It is an issue that young, white progressive men care about, but no one else does.

Another garbage post slandering the most popular politician today. Bernie won the hispanic & Asian votes in most states including hawaii, the most diverse state.

And White progressive men? Bernie's approvals among Women is 58% (going above 60% in many polls), better than anyone else including Hillary. Not even Obama had this. Bernie Sanders destroyed Hillary among young women, White or hispanic or Asian American.

That kind of garbage posts trying to portray as "White men" association is pathetic & partisan hackery & being a David Brock Surrogate.

BTW Mr. David Brock, The repeal of the Glass Steagal was one of the fundamental reasons behind the 2008 crash as was letting a maniac like Alan Greenspan de-regulate the economy to the ground.
 Both were done under Bill Clinton & Democrats who have to take massive blame for the 2008 crash.

You obviously are very alike to Trump & his administration providing "Alternate facts" like "White Progressive Men" only care about Bernie's policies

[Yank2133]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Pretty ridiculous post because Obama's ratings are at a historic mediocrity. http://www.gallup.com/poll/202742/obama-averages-job-approval-president.aspx

As a matter of fact he has the worst average approval ratings in the recent era. Freaking George Bush has better average approvals than him. Even Richard Nixon has, that is how horrible Obama's ratings are. Bill Clinton had much better ratings

You hold a fringe position & are totally out of touch. That is why Bernie Sanders is consistently the moved popular politician in USA !

It is called the rise of political polarization.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/

Why does George Bush with 26% approval, shunned by his party in 2008, with iraq War has better approvals than Barack Obama? Bush was even in a very divisive partisan era.

And for all the partisan hackery, Bernie Sanders has an approval rating of 57-61% nationwide. Despite a low support from Republicans, he has massive support among Independents powering him up.  Obama has mediocre approval ratings from independents & if you blame everything on polarization, you are being a partisan hack !

Bush had a 91% approval rating after 9/11, that is what boasted his numbers. Obama never reached that high, but he never bottomed out.  

And Obama left office with the 2nd highest approval rating for an outgoing president. (60%, 2nd only to Clinton in 2001). 55% thought Obama was good/great president according to Quinnipiac. His key legislative achievement (Obamacare) is more popular then ever.

So this whole notion that people were sick of Obama is just nonsense.

[Mr. Smith]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Being in the '50's isn't "high approval ratings", and most of that came from a receiving a break from coverage. He was blatantly in the 40's all the way from the Shutdown until the cycle began.

If he were going for Part III, he might very well have lost as well because of this, and by worse since the platform wouldn't be forced far enough left to satiate the base.

He was at 50% during the election of 2012, when the economy was in much worse shape and he doesn't have the baggage Clinton had.

Yes, that was during re-election when Mitt Romney was even more out of touch and the GOP overplayed their hand with the Tea Party.

Also, he had knocking off Osama to ride on.

That doesn't change the 2 year below 50 slump he had right around the time of the bad Obamacare rollout all the way to the cycle.


And as for the last comment: So what does it really matter if he did come oyt with the highest since Bill if he couldn't transfer it anyway?

[Yank2133]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

...you actually believe this?

It is the truth from anyone who actually lives outside the lefty bubble. Trump has been loading his administration with people who believe in policies that lead to the crash in 2008. And yet none of the people who voted for Trump (the people Bernie, Perez are trying to win over) give a sh**t.

It is an issue that young, white progressive men care about, but no one else does.

Another garbage post slandering the most popular politician today. Bernie won the hispanic & Asian votes in most states including hawaii, the most diverse state.

And White progressive men? Bernie's approvals among Women is 58% (going above 60% in many polls), better than anyone else including Hillary. Not even Obama had this. Bernie Sanders destroyed Hillary among young women, White or hispanic or Asian American.

That kind of garbage posts trying to portray as "White men" association is pathetic & partisan hackery & being a David Brock Surrogate.

BTW Mr. David Brock, The repeal of the Glass Steagal was one of the fundamental reasons behind the 2008 crash as was letting a maniac like Alan Greenspan de-regulate the economy to the ground.
 Both were done under Bill Clinton & Democrats who have to take massive blame for the 2008 crash.

You obviously are very alike to Trump & his administration providing "Alternate facts" like "White Progressive Men" only care about Bernie's policies

And yet Bernie still lost minorities to Clinton in huge numbers. Anyway, I am not here to fight the primary again. The fact is no one care about Wall-Street, the banks etc. And to attribute that to the Democratic losses in 2010 and 2014 is disingenuous.

If the left think this is a way to win over Obama to Trump voters then they are stupid and deserve to be marginalize.

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To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Pretty ridiculous post because Obama's ratings are at a historic mediocrity. http://www.gallup.com/poll/202742/obama-averages-job-approval-president.aspx

As a matter of fact he has the worst average approval ratings in the recent era. Freaking George Bush has better average approvals than him. Even Richard Nixon has, that is how horrible Obama's ratings are. Bill Clinton had much better ratings

You hold a fringe position & are totally out of touch. That is why Bernie Sanders is consistently the moved popular politician in USA !

It is called the rise of political polarization.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/

Why does George Bush with 26% approval, shunned by his party in 2008, with iraq War has better approvals than Barack Obama? Bush was even in a very divisive partisan era.

And for all the partisan hackery, Bernie Sanders has an approval rating of 57-61% nationwide. Despite a low support from Republicans, he has massive support among Independents powering him up.  Obama has mediocre approval ratings from independents & if you blame everything on polarization, you are being a partisan hack !

Bush had a 91% approval rating after 9/11, that is what boasted his numbers. Obama never reached that high, but he never bottomed out.  

And Obama left office with the 2nd highest approval rating for an outgoing president. (60%, 2nd only to Clinton in 2001). 55% thought Obama was good/great president according to Quinnipiac. His key legislative achievement (Obamacare) is more popular then ever.

So this whole notion that people were sick of Obama is just nonsense.

What did he do in the last 1 year that his ratings bounced up? Obama had consistent mediocre ratings throughout his term. He only recovered because of Trump's nonsense that people thought he was so much better.

You can't judge a presidency by a rating at one point, beginning or ending - That is just insanely stupid. Ratings are judged by an average, even school children know that. And for all that 9/11, Bush also had Iraq, Great recession etc which made his ratings collapse to 26%, something Obama never had pulling his rating down.

And anyways you are a David Brock type of person, a Trump guy with "Alternative facts" who slanders & lies about white progressive men only supporting Bernie.

Obama's ratings among independents throughout his term were flat out mediocre.

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Year   Lame Duck?   
President
Party   president's job approval %      
House Seats
Senate Seats
early Aug   late Aug   early Sep   late Sep   early Oct   late Oct
1934      Franklin D. Roosevelt   D   nd   nd   nd   nd   nd   nd   +9   +9
1938      Franklin D. Roosevelt   D   nd   nd   nd   nd   nd   60   -71   -6
1942      Franklin D. Roosevelt   D   74   nd   74   nd   nd   nd   -55   -9
1946      Harry S. Truman   D   nd   nd   33   nd   nd   27   -45   -12
1950   LD*   Harry S. Truman   D   nd   43   35   35   43   41   
-29
-6
1954      Dwight D. Eisenhower   R   67   62   nd   66   62   nd   -18   -1
1958   LD   Dwight D. Eisenhower   R   58   56   56   54   57   nd   -48   
-13
1962      John F. Kennedy   D   nd   67   nd   63   nd   61   -4   +3
1966   †   Lyndon B. Johnson   D   51   47   nd   nd   44   44   -47   
-4
1970      Richard Nixon   R   55   55   57   51   58   nd   -12   +2
1974   ±   Gerald R. Ford (Nixon)   R   71   nd   66   50   53   nd   -48   
-5
1978      Jimmy Carter   D   39   43   43   48   nd   49   -15   -3
1982      Ronald Reagan   R   41   42   nd   42   nd   42   -26   +1
1986   LD   Ronald Reagan   R   nd   64   nd   63   64   nd   -5   
-8
1990      George Bush   R   75   73   54   nd   nd   57   -8   -1
1994      William J. Clinton   D   43   40   40   44   43   48   -52   -8
1998   LD   William J. Clinton   D   65   62   63   66   65   65   +5   
0
2002      George W. Bush   R   nd   66   66   66   68   67   +8   +2
2006   LD   George W. Bush   R   37   42   39   44   37   37   -30   
-6
2010      Barack Obama   D   44   44   45   45   45   45   -63   -6
2014   LD   Barack Obama   D   42   42   41   43   42   41   -13   
-9
No President in recent history has had such horrible Approval ratings in 2 terms during mid-terms as Obama did.

Seats lost in mid-terms (2 mid-terms combined)

Obama - 76 House & 15 Senate
Bush - 22 House & 4 Senate
Clinton - 47 House & 8 Senate
Reagan - 31 House & 7 Senate

And you can look at everyone. No President in history has had such consistently mediocre approvals during mid-terms & has consistently lost so many Congressional seats ! Obama did a terrible job as a party leader !

[Yank2133]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Being in the '50's isn't "high approval ratings", and most of that came from a receiving a break from coverage. He was blatantly in the 40's all the way from the Shutdown until the cycle began.

If he were going for Part III, he might very well have lost as well because of this, and by worse since the platform wouldn't be forced far enough left to satiate the base.

He was at 50% during the election of 2012, when the economy was in much worse shape and he doesn't have the baggage Clinton had.

Yes, that was during re-election when Mitt Romney was even more out of touch and the GOP overplayed their hand with the Tea Party.

Also, he had knocking off Osama to ride on.

That doesn't change the 2 year below 50 slump he had right around the time of the bad Obamacare rollout all the way to the cycle.


And as for the last comment: So what does it really matter if he did come oyt with the highest since Bill if he couldn't transfer it anyway?

And you don't think his approval rating would have gone up against Trump?

The point is that it refutes Jfern's notion that people are sick of Obama, that isn't politically reality at the moment.

[Yank2133]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Pretty ridiculous post because Obama's ratings are at a historic mediocrity. http://www.gallup.com/poll/202742/obama-averages-job-approval-president.aspx

As a matter of fact he has the worst average approval ratings in the recent era. Freaking George Bush has better average approvals than him. Even Richard Nixon has, that is how horrible Obama's ratings are. Bill Clinton had much better ratings

You hold a fringe position & are totally out of touch. That is why Bernie Sanders is consistently the moved popular politician in USA !

It is called the rise of political polarization.

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/

Why does George Bush with 26% approval, shunned by his party in 2008, with iraq War has better approvals than Barack Obama? Bush was even in a very divisive partisan era.

And for all the partisan hackery, Bernie Sanders has an approval rating of 57-61% nationwide. Despite a low support from Republicans, he has massive support among Independents powering him up.  Obama has mediocre approval ratings from independents & if you blame everything on polarization, you are being a partisan hack !

Bush had a 91% approval rating after 9/11, that is what boasted his numbers. Obama never reached that high, but he never bottomed out.  

And Obama left office with the 2nd highest approval rating for an outgoing president. (60%, 2nd only to Clinton in 2001). 55% thought Obama was good/great president according to Quinnipiac. His key legislative achievement (Obamacare) is more popular then ever.

So this whole notion that people were sick of Obama is just nonsense.

What did he do in the last 1 year that his ratings bounced up? Obama had consistent mediocre ratings throughout his term. He only recovered because of Trump's nonsense that people thought he was so much better.

You can't judge a presidency by a rating at one point, beginning or ending - That is just insanely stupid. Ratings are judged by an average, even school children know that. And for all that 9/11, Bush also had Iraq, Great recession etc which made his ratings collapse to 26%, something Obama never had pulling his rating down.

And anyways you are a David Brock type of person, a Trump guy with "Alternative facts" who slanders & lies about white progressive men only supporting Bernie.

Obama's ratings among independents throughout his term were flat out mediocre.

So by your theory, Harry Truman was worst president then George H.W Bush.

[Shadows]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

...you actually believe this?

It is the truth from anyone who actually lives outside the lefty bubble. Trump has been loading his administration with people who believe in policies that lead to the crash in 2008. And yet none of the people who voted for Trump (the people Bernie, Perez are trying to win over) give a sh**t.

It is an issue that young, white progressive men care about, but no one else does.

Another garbage post slandering the most popular politician today. Bernie won the hispanic & Asian votes in most states including hawaii, the most diverse state.

And White progressive men? Bernie's approvals among Women is 58% (going above 60% in many polls), better than anyone else including Hillary. Not even Obama had this. Bernie Sanders destroyed Hillary among young women, White or hispanic or Asian American.

That kind of garbage posts trying to portray as "White men" association is pathetic & partisan hackery & being a David Brock Surrogate.

BTW Mr. David Brock, The repeal of the Glass Steagal was one of the fundamental reasons behind the 2008 crash as was letting a maniac like Alan Greenspan de-regulate the economy to the ground.
 Both were done under Bill Clinton & Democrats who have to take massive blame for the 2008 crash.

You obviously are very alike to Trump & his administration providing "Alternate facts" like "White Progressive Men" only care about Bernie's policies

And yet Bernie still lost minorities to Clinton in huge numbers. Anyway, I am not here to fight the primary again. The fact is no one care about Wall-Street, the banks etc. And to attribute that to the Democratic losses in 2010 and 2014 is disingenuous.

If the left think this is a way to win over Obama to Trump voters then they are stupid and deserve to be marginalize.

It is a pretty stupid thing to say no1 cares about Wall Street because no single person can speak for the majority of people - At the very least you have to quota a poll with a large sample size to even make such a ridiculous statement.

Secondly anyone who is sensible & not a retard cares about a range of issues - Everything from healthcare to education to climate change to jobs to take policies to civil liberty to national security & financial regulations & concentration of wealth is one of the many issues which people are concerned about, including the banking sector which has the potential to crash the economy!

And to say Bernie is a movement fuelled by White progressive men is a Trumped up "Alternate facts" (or a lie) & a slander campaign given he overwhelmingly won young women.

Minority =/ Black people. Bernie won hispanics, Asians Americans, Native Americans, White women etc!

[Shadows]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Pretty ridiculous post because Obama's ratings are at a historic mediocrity. http://www.gallup.com/poll/202742/obama-averages-job-approval-president.aspx

As a matter of fact he has the worst average approval ratings in the recent era. Freaking George Bush has better average approvals than him. Even Richard Nixon has, that is how horrible Obama's ratings are. Bill Clinton had much better ratings

You hold a fringe position & are totally out of touch. That is why Bernie Sanders is consistently the moved popular politician in USA !

It is called the rise of political polarization.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/

Why does George Bush with 26% approval, shunned by his party in 2008, with iraq War has better approvals than Barack Obama? Bush was even in a very divisive partisan era.

And for all the partisan hackery, Bernie Sanders has an approval rating of 57-61% nationwide. Despite a low support from Republicans, he has massive support among Independents powering him up.  Obama has mediocre approval ratings from independents & if you blame everything on polarization, you are being a partisan hack !

Bush had a 91% approval rating after 9/11, that is what boasted his numbers. Obama never reached that high, but he never bottomed out.  

And Obama left office with the 2nd highest approval rating for an outgoing president. (60%, 2nd only to Clinton in 2001). 55% thought Obama was good/great president according to Quinnipiac. His key legislative achievement (Obamacare) is more popular then ever.

So this whole notion that people were sick of Obama is just nonsense.

What did he do in the last 1 year that his ratings bounced up? Obama had consistent mediocre ratings throughout his term. He only recovered because of Trump's nonsense that people thought he was so much better.

You can't judge a presidency by a rating at one point, beginning or ending - That is just insanely stupid. Ratings are judged by an average, even school children know that. And for all that 9/11, Bush also had Iraq, Great recession etc which made his ratings collapse to 26%, something Obama never had pulling his rating down.

And anyways you are a David Brock type of person, a Trump guy with "Alternative facts" who slanders & lies about white progressive men only supporting Bernie.

Obama's ratings among independents throughout his term were flat out mediocre.

So by your theory, Harry Truman was worst president then George H.W Bush.

I have never even anyone give as much "Alternative facts" & spin into incorrect statements in an Internet forum as you do. I have never discussed about the performance of any Presidents or said anything related to comparing Truman & Bush.

You stated Obama had fantastic approvals to end his term  - You posted about his end term approvals. I posted the average approvals & showed that he has mediocre to terrible approvals comparatively throughout his term. So by your criteria of approvals, Obama ranks pretty low.

[Mr. Smith]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Being in the '50's isn't "high approval ratings", and most of that came from a receiving a break from coverage. He was blatantly in the 40's all the way from the Shutdown until the cycle began.

If he were going for Part III, he might very well have lost as well because of this, and by worse since the platform wouldn't be forced far enough left to satiate the base.

He was at 50% during the election of 2012, when the economy was in much worse shape and he doesn't have the baggage Clinton had.

Yes, that was during re-election when Mitt Romney was even more out of touch and the GOP overplayed their hand with the Tea Party.

Also, he had knocking off Osama to ride on.

That doesn't change the 2 year below 50 slump he had right around the time of the bad Obamacare rollout all the way to the cycle.


And as for the last comment: So what does it really matter if he did come oyt with the highest since Bill if he couldn't transfer it anyway?

And you don't think his approval rating would have gone up against Trump?

The point is that it refutes Jfern's notion that people are sick of Obama, that isn't politically reality at the moment.

Not at all, the GOP would make sure to keep him demonized and 42% minimum would drink that Kool-Aid.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I mean probably not the right thing to say on the unity tour, but I'm coming around to the idea that Obama's Presidency really set a pathway for Donald Trump to rise.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

This is revisionist history.

Democrats didn't want anything to do with Obama in 2010 and 2014 and ran away from his record and didn't want him to campaign for them. Obama should take hits for keeping DWS, but D's need to own up to their own ineptitude down the ballot.

[OSR stands with Israel]

To be fair, given the economic meltdown in 2008-10, a lot of that was baked in and had nothing to do with party leadership. Look at what happened in 1874, 1894, 1930, 1958, 1974, and 1982. It didn't matter that Cleveland blamed the Panic of '93 on the Republicans passing the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, or that the Democrats rejected the Bourbons in 1896.

It had everything to do with Obama putting Goldman Sachs in charge of the nation's finances at a time when the public was screaming for the blood of the bankers (and most of us still are). Instead of punishing Wall Street greed, he rewarded it! It was a historic fumble at a moment when the American people were demanding actual change. Imagine if Franklin Delano Roosevelt had put Henry Ford in charge of the nation's economy. What a disaster.

This is bullsh**t lefty talk.

The issue in 2010 was the backlash to the ACA. In 2014, it was a combination of Obama fatigue (year six of his presidency) and issues like the "if you like your plan you can keep it", NSA leak, the ACA website problems, Syria etc.

People are sick of Obama, who let those who crashed the world economy like former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin off the hook. And Cory Booker who said that Obama was too mean to Bain and Kamala Harris who let Trump's Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin off the hook are not the answer.

Obama left office with high approval ratings and favorability and would have won a third term fairly easily if he was eligible.

Seriously, some of you on the left need to realize that the general public does not give a sh**t about Wall-Street, Goldman Sachs, bankers etc. They never have and never will and you will go no where if you think it is some "winning" message.

Pretty ridiculous post because Obama's ratings are at a historic mediocrity. http://www.gallup.com/poll/202742/obama-averages-job-approval-president.aspx

As a matter of fact he has the worst average approval ratings in the recent era. Freaking George Bush has better average approvals than him. Even Richard Nixon has, that is how horrible Obama's ratings are. Bill Clinton had much better ratings

You hold a fringe position & are totally out of touch. That is why Bernie Sanders is consistently the moved popular politician in USA !

It is called the rise of political polarization.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/12/presidential-job-approval-ratings-from-ike-to-obama/

Why does George Bush with 26% approval, shunned by his party in 2008, with iraq War has better approvals than Barack Obama? Bush was even in a very divisive partisan era.

And for all the partisan hackery, Bernie Sanders has an approval rating of 57-61% nationwide. Despite a low support from Republicans, he has massive support among Independents powering him up.  Obama has mediocre approval ratings from independents & if you blame everything on polarization, you are being a partisan hack !

Bush had a 91% approval rating after 9/11, that is what boasted his numbers. Obama never reached that high, but he never bottomed out.  

And Obama left office with the 2nd highest approval rating for an outgoing president. (60%, 2nd only to Clinton in 2001). 55% thought Obama was good/great president according to Quinnipiac. His key legislative achievement (Obamacare) is more popular then ever.

So this whole notion that people were sick of Obama is just nonsense.

Reagan's approval was higher when he left :http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/final_approval.php

[Mr. Smith]

This is revisionist history.

Democrats didn't want anything to do with Obama in 2010 and 2014 and ran away from his record and didn't want him to campaign for them. Obama should take hits for keeping DWS, but D's need to own up to their own ineptitude down the ballot.

They ran away because he was polarizing and said almost nothing in his defense. And in the case of 2014, the damage was far done, AND most key elections were in The South.


But that's no excuse for what happened to Sestak, no excuse for not doing more for Tom Barrett or Russ Feingold [you know in a state Obama won by a good margin both times].

Come to think of it, the only Solid Blue Stater who needed Obama, got Obama, and still fried was Anthony Brown...maybe Martha Coakley as well.