Hillary Clinton took the rust belt for granted

[Da2017]

She never stepped foot in Wisconsin. Should have been more careful with Michigan. Sanders upset her in the primary. Bill Clinton advised her to spend time there. So tone deaf. if Iowa was slipping away, she should of thought Wisconsin and possibly Minnesota were in Jeopardy.

[heatcharger]

*should have  and *upset

She campaigned quite a bit in Ohio and Pennsylvania, which are typically thought of as Rust Belt states.

[twenty42]

She must have been reading too many Atlas threads...

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Democrats were way too overconfident about PA and that stupid Blue Wall crap. There was a huge trend towards the GOP between 2008 and 2012 which should have set off big warning signs. Obama only won PA by 5 while winning nationally by 4. That was a pathetic margin compared to the national average. The West Virginianization of SW PA is only going to get worse.

[DPKdebator]

Democrats were way too overconfident about PA and that stupid Blue Wall crap. There was a huge trend towards the GOP between 2008 and 2012 which should have set off big warning signs. Obama only won PA by 5 while winning nationally by 4. That was a pathetic margin compared to the national average. The West Virginianization of SW PA is only going to get worse.

I don't get the logic behind calling a bunch of swing states the "blue wall".

[The Arizonan]

Seeing Michigan vote for Donald Trump has been a shocker since that state seems to pull through for Democrats in the end.

Democrats were way too overconfident about PA and that stupid Blue Wall crap. There was a huge trend towards the GOP between 2008 and 2012 which should have set off big warning signs. Obama only won PA by 5 while winning nationally by 4. That was a pathetic margin compared to the national average. The West Virginianization of SW PA is only going to get worse.

I don't get the logic behind calling a bunch of swing states the "blue wall".

The reason is because they kept voting Democrat in presidential elections for a long time (over twenty years).

[RINO Tom]

*should have  and *upset

She campaigned quite a bit in Ohio and Pennsylvania, which are typically thought of as Rust Belt states.

I think, with hindsight being 20/20, most Democrats' frustrations were with the way Secretary Clinton campaigned in those states - allegedly drinking the Schumer koolaid that "for every voter we lose in [Western PA], we gain two moderate voters in the [Philly suburbs]."  While the obvious point of frustration for many Democrats is that this seems to be selling the party's soul and abandoning its traditional egalitarian roots, it also just clearly didn't work.  I think some of the irrational hatred/blame toward Hillary Clinton stems mostly from the frustration that it is now clear that the DNC took many working class voters for granted and/or didn't care if they lost them but now see that there is an almost unbelievably high floor for just about any Republican (especially if Trump managed to reach it!) among White, upper-middle class suburbanites; some of them will vote Republican no matter what, whereas working class voters at least have a natural incentive (in theory) to support Democrats.

[uti2]

*should have  and *upset

She campaigned quite a bit in Ohio and Pennsylvania, which are typically thought of as Rust Belt states.

I think, with hindsight being 20/20, most Democrats' frustrations were with the way Secretary Clinton campaigned in those states - allegedly drinking the Schumer koolaid that "for every voter we lose in [Western PA], we gain two moderate voters in the [Philly suburbs]."  While the obvious point of frustration for many Democrats is that this seems to be selling the party's soul and abandoning its traditional egalitarian roots, it also just clearly didn't work.  I think some of the irrational hatred/blame toward Hillary Clinton stems mostly from the frustration that it is now clear that the DNC took many working class voters for granted and/or didn't care if they lost them but now see that there is an almost unbelievably high floor for just about any Republican (especially if Trump managed to reach it!) among White, upper-middle class suburbanites; some of them will vote Republican no matter what, whereas working class voters at least have a natural incentive (in theory) to support Democrats.

It's not unique to the DNC.

This is also what Jeb/Rubio were doing on the Republican side with regards to the GOP base, taking the base for granted and trying to reach out to other voters. That's why notions of all Trump voters getting behind them is ridiculous and the idea of them either of them winning a blowout election is absurd.

There's a good chance they might have found that Hispanics had a higher floor with Dems than they anticipated. Rubio couldn't even beat Murphy with Latinos in heavily cuban FL, even after the DNC cut off support to Murphy.

[krazen1211]

*should have  and *upset

She campaigned quite a bit in Ohio and Pennsylvania, which are typically thought of as Rust Belt states.

No, the dumb-dumb campaigned in small portions of Pennsylvania.

[BaldEagle1991]

There was a huge trend towards the GOP between 2008 and 2012 which should have set off big warning signs.

It's been going on for decades, it just reached its zenith.

[Xing]

It's been acknowledged several times that she took Wisconsin and Michigan for granted, and went about campaigning in Pennsylvania entirely the wrong way.

[Mr. Smith]

It's been acknowledged several times that she took Wisconsin and Michigan for granted, and went about campaigning in Pennsylvania entirely the wrong way.

I dunno about that, it could've been better. But as is, she literally only lost the state because of a worker's strike in the Philly area. Without that, she wins entirely on Philly and Pittsburgh as planned.

If any state was actually campaigned "entirely wrong", it's North Carolina.

[hopper]

It's been acknowledged several times that she took Wisconsin and Michigan for granted, and went about campaigning in Pennsylvania entirely the wrong way.

I dunno about that, it could've been better. But as is, she literally only lost the state because of a worker's strike in the Philly area. Without that, she wins entirely on Philly and Pittsburgh as planned.

If any state was actually campaigned "entirely wrong", it's North Carolina.

The workers strike in Philly stopped Hillary from winning PA? She did win the burb's around Philly though.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Too obsessed with an electoral landslide. Her people HAD TO HAVE KNOWN she was a problematic candidate. The only reason she wasn't the most disliked candidate in the history of polling was because of Trump. Two disliked candidates leads to voter apathy which usually means a Republican win. Instead of being obsessed with flipping North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and even winning Ohio which was clearly for Trump WEEKS out of the election she should have laser focused on the three states she lost by a mere 100k votes. Campaigning and money literally could have changed the outcome in those states.