Conservatives only, what the bigger evil: Hard Core Socialists or SJW

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

The three pillars of modern Anglo-Saxon conservatism are God, King (i.e. traditions) and Empire (i.e. country). Conservatism is not an ideology, and it is certainly mot a "protest movement".

What your describing is European culture and conservativism  not American culture,as American culture respects freedom more . The 3 pillars of American conservativism is : personal freedom , free market economics and limited government .

Beep boop

Since you can't come up with an actual response thanks for conceding I am right and you are wrong

Let's see what "Academic" (?) Conservatives have to say: https://home.isi.org/pillars-modern-american-conservatism

1. Liberty
2. Tradition
3. Rule of Law
4. God

Basically looks like Santander's modernized with the addition of liberty.

[RINO Tom]

The three pillars of modern Anglo-Saxon conservatism are God, King (i.e. traditions) and Empire (i.e. country). Conservatism is not an ideology, and it is certainly mot a "protest movement".

What your describing is European culture and conservativism  not American culture,as American culture respects freedom more . The 3 pillars of American conservativism is : personal freedom , free market economics and limited government .

Beep boop

Since you can't come up with an actual response thanks for conceding I am right and you are wrong

Let's see what "Academic" (?) Conservatives have to say: https://home.isi.org/pillars-modern-american-conservatism

1. Liberty
2. Tradition
3. Rule of Law
4. God

Basically looks like Santander's modernized with the addition of liberty.

Yeah, but liberty - in its many uses and interpretations - is the most important one by far.  Liberty for private farmers from the slave power.  Liberty for private business from the restraints of bureaucratic regulations.  Liberty for the taxpayer against a wasteful and incompetent government's taxes.  And, yes, liberty for the devoutly religious from an increasingly secularized world.

The GOP, despite revisionist's claims, has always valued freedom for the individual over the collective good, at least internally.  Of course there are exceptions (prohibition), but it's largely a backbone of conservative rhetoric of all kinds.

[Intell]

The three pillars of modern Anglo-Saxon conservatism are God, King (i.e. traditions) and Empire (i.e. country). Conservatism is not an ideology, and it is certainly mot a "protest movement".

What your describing is European culture and conservativism  not American culture,as American culture respects freedom more . The 3 pillars of American conservativism is : personal freedom , free market economics and limited government .

Beep boop

Since you can't come up with an actual response thanks for conceding I am right and you are wrong

Let's see what "Academic" (?) Conservatives have to say: https://home.isi.org/pillars-modern-american-conservatism

1. Liberty
2. Tradition
3. Rule of Law
4. God

Basically looks like Santander's modernized with the addition of liberty.

Yeah, but liberty - in its many uses and interpretations - is the most important one by far.  Liberty for private farmers from the slave power.  Liberty for private business from the restraints of bureaucratic regulations.  Liberty for the taxpayer against a wasteful and incompetent government's taxes.  And, yes, liberty for the devoutly religious from an increasingly secularized world.

The GOP, despite revisionist's claims, has always valued freedom for the individual over the collective good, at least internally.  Of course there are exceptions (prohibition), but it's largely a backbone of conservative rhetoric of all kinds.

The GOP has always valued market liberalism, in the 1860's, it was the liberal party compared to the democrats.

It was by no means conservative back then, the republican party's ideology from Lincoln to the present day hasn't changed, however the political spectrum, along with the democratic party has shifted to the left, making the republican party, the conservative party.

[The_Doctor]

To answer the question, socialists of course. I fear more from insane Marxists who want to destroy the economy and push everyone into a collective.

I don't like Bernie even if I am temporarily allied with him (it does feel like being Britain aligned with Moscow to stop Germany). In the end Bernie's ajd most Western socialists vision has to be tempered or else capitalism is at risk.

[Santander]

Yeah, but liberty - in its many uses and interpretations - is the most important one by far.  Liberty for private farmers from the slave power.  Liberty for private business from the restraints of bureaucratic regulations.  Liberty for the taxpayer against a wasteful and incompetent government's taxes.  And, yes, liberty for the devoutly religious from an increasingly secularized world.

None of these are examples of liberty.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yeah, but liberty - in its many uses and interpretations - is the most important one by far.  Liberty for private farmers from the slave power.  Liberty for private business from the restraints of bureaucratic regulations.  Liberty for the taxpayer against a wasteful and incompetent government's taxes.  And, yes, liberty for the devoutly religious from an increasingly secularized world.

None of these are examples of liberty.

Ok define liberty then , and explain why those aren't examples of liberty

[TheSaint250]

Since SJWs are just whiny kids, they are much easier to take on (and seem to be more pathetic in my opinion).  Hard core socialists could lead to the demise of the nation.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yeah, but liberty - in its many uses and interpretations - is the most important one by far.  Liberty for private farmers from the slave power.  Liberty for private business from the restraints of bureaucratic regulations.  Liberty for the taxpayer against a wasteful and incompetent government's taxes.  And, yes, liberty for the devoutly religious from an increasingly secularized world.

None of these are examples of liberty.

Ok define liberty then , and explain why those aren't examples of liberty

Liberty is more about constitutional rights, not avoiding taxes.

Goverment that is big enough to take away people economic freedom is big enough to take away your constitutional rights as well .  The same is true the other way around as well .

They have already done that they used the commerce clause as a justification to start the war on drugs and violate the 10th amendment and many other constitutional rights .


You can not claim to be someone who cares about liberty if you only care about Economic Freedom or personal . You have to be in favor of both as they are interlated as without constitutional rights we have no economic rights and same could be true the other way around as well as once the goverment violates one of your rights they can violate even more .

[OSR stands with Israel]

Given that no socialist country with more then 15 million people has ever had the amount of personal freedom near or at the same level as it is in the United States proves my point .


This is why I dislike hard core socialists more then SJW

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

You can debate socialists.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Given that no socialist country with more then 15 million people has ever had the amount of personal freedom near or at the same level as it is in the United States proves my point .


This is why I dislike hard core socialists more then SJW

Maybe we can have a debate instead of personal attacks, my dude.

Ok sorry about that  .My point wasn't that economic liberty is more important then personal liberty. I said a goverment big enough to heavily tax you ( more then 45 percent ) , over regulate your personals economic decisions is big enough to censor speech , violate your  4th and 5th  amendment, trample over states 10th amendment rights and many others.

An example of this is the commerce clause which was used in  each decade from the 1930s to regulate the economy . Then by the mid 1960s it got so out of hand they were able to use that same authority to implement  the war in drugs ( which tramples over states right to make its own laws , justify seizing personal assets without convicting someone of a crime ) .

[OSR stands with Israel]

Given that no socialist country with more then 15 million people has ever had the amount of personal freedom near or at the same level as it is in the United States proves my point .


This is why I dislike hard core socialists more then SJW

Maybe we can have a debate instead of personal attacks, my dude.

Ok sorry about that  .My point wasn't that economic liberty is more important then personal liberty. I said a goverment big enough to heavily tax you ( more then 45 percent ) , over regulate your personals economic decisions is big enough to censor speech , violate your  4th and 5th  amendment, trample over states 10th amendment rights and many others.

An example of this is the commerce clause which was used in  each decade from the 1930s to regulate the economy . Then by the mid 1960s it got so out of hand they were able to use that same authority to implement  the war in drugs ( which tramples over states right to make its own laws , justify seizing personal assets without convicting someone of a crime ) .

Before we start, Portland took that mean L against the Warriors. Ouch.

My response would be that the commerce clause was also used to end child labor and regulate securities, which helped overall freedom for most people. Workers and consumers benefited. The problem isn't the use of the power, its the justification for using it.

I agree those are good reasons to use it , I was just saying in relation to the topic hard core socialism (which those are not ) will cause people to lose their personal freedoms as expanding government to the levels they want to won't end well.

What I say to you is what I say to many republicans as well but in a different way , I just frame it as a goverment big enough to wage a war on drugs (like it currently is doing ) and massively expand the surveillance state is big enough to implement hard core socialism .

[Bismarck]

Socialists of course. The SJWs are big GOP vote getters.

[RINO Tom]

The three pillars of modern Anglo-Saxon conservatism are God, King (i.e. traditions) and Empire (i.e. country). Conservatism is not an ideology, and it is certainly mot a "protest movement".

What your describing is European culture and conservativism  not American culture,as American culture respects freedom more . The 3 pillars of American conservativism is : personal freedom , free market economics and limited government .

Beep boop

Since you can't come up with an actual response thanks for conceding I am right and you are wrong

Let's see what "Academic" (?) Conservatives have to say: https://home.isi.org/pillars-modern-american-conservatism

1. Liberty
2. Tradition
3. Rule of Law
4. God

Basically looks like Santander's modernized with the addition of liberty.

Yeah, but liberty - in its many uses and interpretations - is the most important one by far.  Liberty for private farmers from the slave power.  Liberty for private business from the restraints of bureaucratic regulations.  Liberty for the taxpayer against a wasteful and incompetent government's taxes.  And, yes, liberty for the devoutly religious from an increasingly secularized world.

The GOP, despite revisionist's claims, has always valued freedom for the individual over the collective good, at least internally.  Of course there are exceptions (prohibition), but it's largely a backbone of conservative rhetoric of all kinds.

The GOP has always valued market liberalism, in the 1860's, it was the liberal party compared to the democrats.

It was by no means conservative back then, the republican party's ideology from Lincoln to the present day hasn't changed, however the political spectrum, along with the democratic party has shifted to the left, making the republican party, the conservative party.

Stopped reading after that nonsense, which I addressed in your thread about Abraham Lincoln in the History section of Atlas.

[RINO Tom]

Yeah, but liberty - in its many uses and interpretations - is the most important one by far.  Liberty for private farmers from the slave power.  Liberty for private business from the restraints of bureaucratic regulations.  Liberty for the taxpayer against a wasteful and incompetent government's taxes.  And, yes, liberty for the devoutly religious from an increasingly secularized world.

None of these are examples of liberty.

Sure they are, they just don't sound folksy enough for you to champion.

[dead0man]

Yeah, that was an odd post.  They might not be the examples of liberty that are most important to you, they might not point to a definition of liberty that you hold dear, but they are clearly examples of liberty.

[Figueira]

If "hard core socialist" means Soviet or Mao apologism, then them. If it just means libertarian socialists or whatever, then neither are evil. I'm not a conservative though.

[Kingpoleon]

Which is worse: an actual theoretically moral ideology or a mish mash of extreme leftists with bizarre, nonsensical views?

[Coolface Sock #42069]

SJW and socialist are both vague enough terms that it's impossible to know for sure.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

In the US, as an ideology, SJWism - Not making judgements against individuals here, but against the threat that the ideological tendency represents in terms of limiting the parameters of acceptable discussion and belief, both institutionally and in interpersonal relations.  Hard Core Socialists hold little cultural or political influence in the US in comparison.

[buritobr]

I am not a conservative, I am leftist, so, I didn't vote.

But I am neither a Hard Core Socialist nor SJW, so, I can talk about these two.

Many leftists, who are not Hard Core, consider that we need to fight for equality, but not remove individual liberties. Hard Core Socialists don't care about individual liberties. Of course, SJW are not like Stalin, Mao and Kim Family, but they don't care too much about individual liberties.

Many leftists like me, who are neither Hard Core nor SJW, think that prostitution should be legal and considered a job like any other, as we can see in Germany and Netherlands. SJW consider that buying sex should be a criminal offense, like in Sweden. SJW are anti-pornography too.
SJW consider that men can not have opinion of feminism and that whites can not have opinion of black movement. SJW think that white people can not have jamaican hair because this is cultural appropriation.

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As someone who considers himself neither conservative nor liberal, and also am not in either group in the poll, I've always thought both are well meaning groups who just have the wrong ideas politically. With that said, I feel like socialism would be worse for the nation.

[Kingpoleon]

As someone who considers himself neither conservative nor liberal, and also am not in either group in the poll, I've always thought both are well meaning groups who just have the wrong ideas politically. With that said, I feel like socialism would be worse for the nation.

I could say that about basically every politician and President ever.

[RFayette]

SJWs are worse on an individual level as they tend to be more intolerant of conservatives, but on a macro/policy level socialism is far more dangerous.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I am not a conservative, I am leftist, so, I didn't vote.

But I am neither a Hard Core Socialist nor SJW, so, I can talk about these two.

Many leftists, who are not Hard Core, consider that we need to fight for equality, but not remove individual liberties. Hard Core Socialists don't care about individual liberties. Of course, SJW are not like Stalin, Mao and Kim Family, but they don't care too much about individual liberties.

Many leftists like me, who are neither Hard Core nor SJW, think that prostitution should be legal and considered a job like any other, as we can see in Germany and Netherlands. SJW consider that buying sex should be a criminal offense, like in Sweden. SJW are anti-pornography too.
SJW consider that men can not have opinion of feminism and that whites can not have opinion of black movement. SJW think that white people can not have jamaican hair because this is cultural appropriation.

I guess you haven't come across "sex positive" SJWs.