S6: Southern Heritage Act (passed)

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Southern Heritage act

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Sponsor: Ben Kenobi

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Floor is open for debate

[JustinTimeCuber]

Ben, do you support an organization that rebelled against the other States because they wanted to keep doing slavery?

[Wisconsin+17]

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And what organization would that be?

[JustinTimeCuber]

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And what organization would that be?

What kind of teacher are you? I really hope it's not History...

[Wisconsin+17]

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What organization supported slavery and rebelled against other states?

[JustinTimeCuber]

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What organization supported slavery and rebelled against other states?

The... uh... confederacy...

[Wisconsin+17]

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Last I checked we live in the South, Cuber.

England had slavery for many years. Does flying the Union Jack mean that you support slavery?

[JustinTimeCuber]

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Last I checked we live in the South, Cuber.

England had slavery for many years. Does flying the Union Jack mean that you support slavery?

The Confederacy was specifically created with one of the main purposes of continuing slavery.

[Wisconsin+17]

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The United Kingdom was formed for the explicit purpose of rejecting Catholicism in the Glorious Revolution.

Does this mean that the Union Jack represses Catholics?

[JustinTimeCuber]

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The United Kingdom was formed for the explicit purpose of rejecting Catholicism in the Glorious Revolution.

Does this mean that the Union Jack represses Catholics?

The history is a lot less clear there, but you could make that point.
The biggest problem, though, is why should we be flying the flag of a rebel organization? Are we condoning secession from Atlasia?

[Wisconsin+17]

The symbology of the Union Jack is the union of England (Cross of St. George), Ireland (Cross of St Patrick), and Scotland (the cross of St. Andrew).

I would argue that the Stars and bars, represents the union of Rebel states, one star per state. Nothing more nor less.

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Like it or not, it is a part of our history. I see no reason why we cannot fly the flag and reject slavery. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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Not at all. It's a representation of the South as a region. No different than flying, say the flag of Georgia.

[Representative simossad]

Like it or not, it is a part of our history. I see no reason why we cannot fly the flag and reject slavery. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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Excuse me and that I allow myself to have a say in this chamber again. But I as a person of German origin have to comment this argument. Germany recognizes the Nazi dictature as a part of its history. The crimes that have been commited in this period have a large impact on the German values today. But that is no reason for the Germans to honor the swastika flag. There is a large difference between recognizing one's history and to be proud of it.

[Leinad]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

That being said, not a fan of the ol' Stars and Bars. The current flag, made by Santander, serves the purpose better, and doesn't have connotations with one of the darkest times in our nation's history.

[Representative simossad]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

That being said, not a fan of the ol' Stars and Bars. The current flag, made by Santander, serves the purpose better, and doesn't have connotations with one of the darkest times in our nation's history.

I'm against the unnecessary use of Hitler in discussions, but as a person whose family has directly suffered unser the Nazi regime due to illegal opposition, I thought that this argument was not at all appropriate.

Edit: I am not speaking out against this bill as a whole, I just found that one argument weird. I apologize if my comment was misleading for some people in here, but this argument was really extremely untought

[diptheriadan]

I support an amended version of this bill that is more...friendly. I support it at it's core though. I grew up around the Confederate flag and because of this, it carries different sentiments with me than it's original purpose intended. I suspect this is the case with many others in the South.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

The Stars and Bars are not representative of the entire Southern population, especially not the South's black population.

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Actually, after thinking it over, I don't think this would be a very good idea for the point that CELTICEMPIRE raised.

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The Stars and Bars are not representative of the entire Southern population, especially not the South's black population.

This. I also agree with diptheriadan in that I could support an amended version that is much friendlier. I grew up in the South and realize that the Stars and Bars doesn't mean necessarily mean racism, but it's unlikely that we can make people see otherwise. As representatives of the South, we shouldn't alienate those who feel like the flag doesn't include them. I hope we can use this as an opportunity to come up with ways to amend this that makes everyone happy.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Germany bans private citizens from flying the Nazi flag. We are not Germany, and thank God for that.

[Wisconsin+17]

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How so?

Is the Union Jack representative of British Catholics?

[diptheriadan]

To me, for a flag to truly be representative of a nation, it must conjure of feelings of homeliness and patriotism. For many people in the South, particularly Black Southerners, this just is not the case.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Unfortunately the side that doesn't want it flown is tearing down Confederate monuments, digging up Confederate graveyards. The issue isn't that they believe it represents slavery, the issue is that they are trying to remove it entirely from history.

That is wrong. How can we accommodate people that believe that the entire existence of the confederacy is a stain on their personal history, despite the fact that none of them have ever lived under slavery?

Yeah, I get it that some people might be offended, but look at it this way. Irish people were slaves too, Irish people had the entire potato famine where England starved them rather than try to save their lives.

No one living today has been a slave. Do we have a right to be aggrieved for what some of our ancestors may have suffered?

[Wisconsin+17]

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Many believe that Old Glory is offensive and represents colonial oppression.

Do their feelings warrant taking down the flag?

[JustinTimeCuber]

Stop it Ben. The South shouldn't be flying a flag that black citizens believe represents racism and their enslavement.