SB 2017-085: Student Loan Reform Act (Passed)
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« on: April 30, 2017, 10:29:19 PM »
« edited: May 20, 2017, 02:24:10 PM by Senator PiT, PPT »

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     I hereby open the floor for debate.
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2017, 10:32:30 PM »

     I propose this bill to reform the student loan system, the incomprehensible nature of which has played a major role in the explosion of higher ed costs. Under no other circumstance could an 18 to 22-year old borrow six figures in unsecured debt; this system thrives because the risk is transferred from the banks to the taxpayer. Making student debt dischargeable and capping federal loans will help remove market distortions that have artificially inflated the cost of college and prevent our nation's youth from taking on mountains of ruinous debt.
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2017, 11:19:57 PM »

This is a fantastic and reasonable way to bring tuition down, and I support it wholeheartedly.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2017, 08:20:46 PM »
« Edited: May 02, 2017, 08:24:40 PM by Siren »

I agree that tuition and student loans are out of control and I support the spirit of lowering tuition costs, but I have a few concerns.

1) The cap seems pretty low.  I think I understand that the point is to pressure schools to lower costs by having people unable to attend and maybe that could happen in the longterm, but in the short term there would be a high human cost in terms of a lot of poor/middle class people not being able to afford even most instate tuition/room/board/fee costs.  Like for example, the combined annual cost for an instate student at the University of Delaware is 27k per year (wow!).  Of course, people might be able to avoid the room and board, but different schools have different policies about residency, and even so, would probably need to pay for an apartment and food.

2) I'm concerned that limiting the cap to federal student loans might actually just push a lot of people into predatory payday loans to pay for the rest of their college instead.  Not only are the terms of those generally worse for people but it would defeat the purpose if people are still able to pay the colleges exorbitant fees, then colleges won't be forced to lower their tuition.

I might be willing to support a higher cap, especially if it's indexed to inflation, but I'm very concerned about people moving to private loans.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2017, 10:54:56 PM »

1) The cap is intended to be reasonable but firm for tuition for in-state universities, though there are other costs as well. We could set up a regimen that steps down the cap to soften the impact for both students and universities.

2) Private loans are an option, though funding college with those would be tricky with these stipulations. As I stated above, student loans are a good bet for lenders because of the nondischargability of debt. I expect that the private market for student loans will wither quickly because nobody would trust a college student to take on tens of thousands in debt and manage to pay it back.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2017, 05:41:43 PM »

     I did some more research into this matter and I found this chart for annual lending limits, which indicates that the loan limits I proposed would actually tend to increase the amounts that students might end up borrowing:



     The lending limits and costs for graduate/professional and medical school are awfully high, though I wonder how useful reducing those caps would be in applying downward pressure on tuition. In the case of certain degrees (e.g. MBA, MD), private lenders may nevertheless be willing to take up the slack.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2017, 06:00:13 PM »

I'm also concerned about how the cap should be adjusted—as the cost of attendance increases, Siren's concern about students being pushed to private lenders grows more relevant, but including a provision to adjust the cap to match the increase in tuition would also hinder its ability to drive costs down.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2017, 02:52:12 PM »

     I realized that the limits in that graph do not include Perkins loans, so they are effectively $5,500 higher than they should be, so a $10,000/yr cap would work to lightly limit lending.

I'm also concerned about how the cap should be adjusted—as the cost of attendance increases, Siren's concern about students being pushed to private lenders grows more relevant, but including a provision to adjust the cap to match the increase in tuition would also hinder its ability to drive costs down.

     A big factor driving increases in the cost of attendance on the supply-side is the easy availability of student loans. Of course, limiting this would not deal with demand-side factors, such as student life and administrative bloat. We could cap and then index it to inflation, though I am unsure of how that would interact with the current growth of costs, which far exceeds inflation.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2017, 11:21:49 AM »

     I will propose an amendment to clarify the nature of what we cover in terms of loans and to handle the issue of inflation:

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     As the sponsor, it is naturally friendly. Senators have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2017, 03:31:53 PM »

This is fairly agreeable, though I wonder if this is just pre-cursor legislation to making public education in Atlasia tuition-free. Perhaps we could work on something like that instead.
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2017, 04:02:46 PM »

This is fairly agreeable, though I wonder if this is just pre-cursor legislation to making public education in Atlasia tuition-free. Perhaps we could work on something like that instead.

     This affects private schools and former students as well. It is a different project from public school tuition, though one with some overlap.
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2017, 08:28:06 PM »

This is fairly agreeable, though I wonder if this is just pre-cursor legislation to making public education in Atlasia tuition-free. Perhaps we could work on something like that instead.

In the queue! Though as PiT said, there's significant areas of difference between this bill and the one I'm sponsoring.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2017, 09:03:45 PM »

This is fairly agreeable, though I wonder if this is just pre-cursor legislation to making public education in Atlasia tuition-free. Perhaps we could work on something like that instead.

In the queue! Though as PiT said, there's significant areas of difference between this bill and the one I'm sponsoring.

Your bill is what is keeping me from being a committed yes on this.  I don't oppose this bill per se, but I do think that the College For All Act would be more effective in solving the student debt crisis.
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2017, 12:12:17 PM »

     The amendment is adopted.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2017, 12:14:13 PM »

This is fairly agreeable, though I wonder if this is just pre-cursor legislation to making public education in Atlasia tuition-free. Perhaps we could work on something like that instead.

In the queue! Though as PiT said, there's significant areas of difference between this bill and the one I'm sponsoring.

Your bill is what is keeping me from being a committed yes on this.  I don't oppose this bill per se, but I do think that the College For All Act would be more effective in solving the student debt crisis.

     There are a few different tacks that will be necessary to solve the problem. Tackling tuition directly is part of it, but not the only lever we should be pulling.
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2017, 01:57:31 PM »

     Are there any more comments on this? If not I can move it to a final vote in 24 hours.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2017, 04:53:37 PM »

     The final vote is now open. Senators have 72 hours to vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2017, 05:01:57 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2017, 05:03:55 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2017, 01:34:58 AM »

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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2017, 02:49:17 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2017, 05:29:14 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2017, 11:43:26 AM »

     This has enough votes to pass. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes (late to this, but I have been having computer troubles).
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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2017, 02:23:36 PM »

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