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« on: May 06, 2017, 10:26:49 PM »

The Democratic National Committee is finally showing signs of life, but progress is slow.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/06/democrats-dnc-rebuilding-238065

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2017, 10:51:05 PM »

I gotta lot of problems with you people, and know, you're gonna hear about it! First establishment dems you got to step aside an give the Bernie/young wing a real seat at the table ie Keith should of been DNC chair and Nancy should of an should in 2018 step aside for Tim Ryan, also start giving guys like Quist more help screw what Moody says with his graphs and simulations sometimes you got top put your ear to the ground. An Bernie people stop treating him like the gatekeeper of progressivism 12 months ago Tom Perez would be viewed as a left wing loon from Bernie's political spectrum but because he was Obama choice vs Bernie's guy you treat him like a blue dog corporate whore an now Im starting seeing the same done to Ossoff over those mad Quist is being ignored. In other words we have the walking apocalypse in the white house that is a bigger problem then petty ideology squabbles by people that at the end of the day agree on 58-90% of the issues
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2017, 11:07:04 PM »

The Democratic National Committee is finally showing signs of life, but progress is slow.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/06/democrats-dnc-rebuilding-238065

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2017, 11:45:32 PM »

The worse part is not that old Clinton aides having some power but people like coal lobbyist Jamie Harrison who fiercely advocate for lobbyist money, closed primaries & are essential Clinton cronies.

Apparently Harrison is the one tasked with deciding the 2020 Nomination process, about the debate schedule & everything else! If anything this guy who has little success as SC Chair & is a totally out of touch guy should one of the 1st guy fired. He gets his prize for supporting Perez!
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2017, 11:58:03 PM »

The worse part is not that old Clinton aides having some power but people like coal lobbyist Jamie Harrison who fiercely advocate for lobbyist money, closed primaries & are essential Clinton cronies.

Apparently Harrison is the one tasked with deciding the 2020 Nomination process, about the debate schedule & everything else! If anything this guy who has little success as SC Chair & is a totally out of touch guy should one of the 1st guy fired. He gets his prize for supporting Perez!

I mean, Ellison got a much bigger "prize"...
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2017, 12:25:30 AM »

The worse part is not that old Clinton aides having some power but people like coal lobbyist Jamie Harrison who fiercely advocate for lobbyist money, closed primaries & are essential Clinton cronies.

Apparently Harrison is the one tasked with deciding the 2020 Nomination process, about the debate schedule & everything else! If anything this guy who has little success as SC Chair & is a totally out of touch guy should one of the 1st guy fired. He gets his prize for supporting Perez!

Well of course they aren't going to let progressives get in the way of them rigging the primary again.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2017, 01:27:57 AM »

The worse part is not that old Clinton aides having some power but people like coal lobbyist Jamie Harrison who fiercely advocate for lobbyist money, closed primaries & are essential Clinton cronies.

Apparently Harrison is the one tasked with deciding the 2020 Nomination process, about the debate schedule & everything else! If anything this guy who has little success as SC Chair & is a totally out of touch guy should one of the 1st guy fired. He gets his prize for supporting Perez!

I mean, Ellison got a much bigger "prize"...

But Perez has not done as bad many thought, atleast he is doing some staff changes, sending money to Montana, some grassroots touch, touring places, gave Ellison some role. So I mean he may turn out to be probably better than DWS (which isn't very hard though !). But ofcourse where he doesn't align with the Bernie wing, will probably get fair criticism !
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2017, 02:09:35 AM »

The worse part is not that old Clinton aides having some power but people like coal lobbyist Jamie Harrison who fiercely advocate for lobbyist money, closed primaries & are essential Clinton cronies.

Apparently Harrison is the one tasked with deciding the 2020 Nomination process, about the debate schedule & everything else! If anything this guy who has little success as SC Chair & is a totally out of touch guy should one of the 1st guy fired. He gets his prize for supporting Perez!

Why shouldn't it be closed primaries? If people like jfern and Andrew want to just b*tch and moan about their candidate being treated unfairly for the next four years and want to just trash the party at every opportunity and not identify as a Democrat, why the hell should they be allowed to vote in Democratic primaries?

I was always amused at how so many Bernie supporters railed against Super Delegates and Closed Primaries as being undemocratic, yet they didn't seem to take much issue with caucuses. Why is that?
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2017, 02:52:26 AM »
« Edited: May 07, 2017, 03:08:52 AM by Shadows »

The worse part is not that old Clinton aides having some power but people like coal lobbyist Jamie Harrison who fiercely advocate for lobbyist money, closed primaries & are essential Clinton cronies.

Apparently Harrison is the one tasked with deciding the 2020 Nomination process, about the debate schedule & everything else! If anything this guy who has little success as SC Chair & is a totally out of touch guy should one of the 1st guy fired. He gets his prize for supporting Perez!

Why shouldn't it be closed primaries? If people like jfern and Andrew want to just b*tch and moan about their candidate being treated unfairly for the next four years and want to just trash the party at every opportunity and not identify as a Democrat, why the hell should they be allowed to vote in Democratic primaries?

Because you chose a candidate for a GE where Independents have a strong role & are the largest voting bloc who are looking to participate in either party. And the reason many of these people are independents because they feel the Democratic party has abandoned them & the values which it had held for decades. Not only due you want these people,but also you don't want them to go to Green, Libertarian or Republican.

Close to half the young people identify as Independents & this generation will determine the future & survival of both parties. If the Democrats can get these people to vote Democrats for 15-20 years initially, most of them will be lifelong Democrats & will ensure strong Democratic victories for decades. Besides it is important to know which candidates are Independent voters are liking strongly in the Dem primary because that has a strong bearing on electability for the GE!

If these independents vote & feel involved, a share of them will turn Dem slowly. If the Dem party says no Indy's, they will likely be even more disenfranchised from the Dems. The party will grow smaller like it has done for the last decades (worst electoral position in a 100 years). It is upto to the Democratic party if it wants to be a big tent or a small tent party.

Also it is kinda ironic that you support Trumpcare which will kill 1000's & take healthcare from millions, you are a conservative Republican who likely supported Bush & now you get to decide if Jfern should get to vote in the Dem party. If 2020 will be Kasich(GOP) vs Warren(Dems), you will likely support John Kasich. You likely don't support Universal Healthcare or even Obamacare, 15$ min wage (or even a 12$) or most of the Democratic values or historical Democratic positions. You are essentially waiting for GOP to dump Trump & get sane & get people like Kasich so that you can go back into the fold !
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2017, 02:57:14 AM »

The worse part is not that old Clinton aides having some power but people like coal lobbyist Jamie Harrison who fiercely advocate for lobbyist money, closed primaries & are essential Clinton cronies.

Apparently Harrison is the one tasked with deciding the 2020 Nomination process, about the debate schedule & everything else! If anything this guy who has little success as SC Chair & is a totally out of touch guy should one of the 1st guy fired. He gets his prize for supporting Perez!

Why shouldn't it be closed primaries? If people like jfern and Andrew want to just b*tch and moan about their candidate being treated unfairly for the next four years and want to just trash the party at every opportunity and not identify as a Democrat, why the hell should they be allowed to vote in Democratic primaries?

I was always amused at how so many Bernie supporters railed against Super Delegates and Closed Primaries as being undemocratic, yet they didn't seem to take much issue with caucuses. Why is that?

Caucuses allow participation & discussion which is pretty reasonably democratic & should be encouraged. But yes the turnout is astoundingly low & something should be done. I think Nebraska allowed absentee voting & that could be a model, for all those who can't attend a caucus, have absentee voting.

Either way the very low turnout in a caucus is neither desirable nor beneficial & should be addressed !
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2017, 11:29:34 AM »

Caucuses allow participation & discussion which is pretty reasonably democratic & should be encouraged. But yes the turnout is astoundingly low & something should be done. I think Nebraska allowed absentee voting & that could be a model, for all those who can't attend a caucus, have absentee voting.

Either way the very low turnout in a caucus is neither desirable nor beneficial & should be addressed !

How do you address it? Most people don't want to spend that kind of time on voting for a candidate. Turnout is bad enough in regular primaries, so I think it's pretty unrealistic to expect there be a way to equalize caucuses with those. It would be nice if we could but right now caucuses tend to over-represent the most active and dedicated constituents, which are not always representing a majority, or even plurality view.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2017, 02:09:12 PM »

The worse part is not that old Clinton aides having some power but people like coal lobbyist Jamie Harrison who fiercely advocate for lobbyist money, closed primaries & are essential Clinton cronies.

Apparently Harrison is the one tasked with deciding the 2020 Nomination process, about the debate schedule & everything else! If anything this guy who has little success as SC Chair & is a totally out of touch guy should one of the 1st guy fired. He gets his prize for supporting Perez!

Why shouldn't it be closed primaries? If people like jfern and Andrew want to just b*tch and moan about their candidate being treated unfairly for the next four years and want to just trash the party at every opportunity and not identify as a Democrat, why the hell should they be allowed to vote in Democratic primaries?

I was always amused at how so many Bernie supporters railed against Super Delegates and Closed Primaries as being undemocratic, yet they didn't seem to take much issue with caucuses. Why is that?

Caucuses allow participation & discussion which is pretty reasonably democratic & should be encouraged. But yes the turnout is astoundingly low & something should be done. I think Nebraska allowed absentee voting & that could be a model, for all those who can't attend a caucus, have absentee voting.

Either way the very low turnout in a caucus is neither desirable nor beneficial & should be addressed !

Caucuses should be ended everywhere, point blank. They're a terrible system for doing anything, let alone deciding a candidate. I'm all for open primaries, of course.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2017, 02:09:58 PM »

The worse part is not that old Clinton aides having some power but people like coal lobbyist Jamie Harrison who fiercely advocate for lobbyist money, closed primaries & are essential Clinton cronies.

Apparently Harrison is the one tasked with deciding the 2020 Nomination process, about the debate schedule & everything else! If anything this guy who has little success as SC Chair & is a totally out of touch guy should one of the 1st guy fired. He gets his prize for supporting Perez!

Why shouldn't it be closed primaries? If people like jfern and Andrew want to just b*tch and moan about their candidate being treated unfairly for the next four years and want to just trash the party at every opportunity and not identify as a Democrat, why the hell should they be allowed to vote in Democratic primaries?

I was always amused at how so many Bernie supporters railed against Super Delegates and Closed Primaries as being undemocratic, yet they didn't seem to take much issue with caucuses. Why is that?

It hurts the "ermagerd rigged DNC #narrative" you see
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