OH-PPD Buckeye State poll: Mandel +5 against Brown

[MT Treasurer]

49% Josh Mandel (R)
44% Sherrod Brown (D, inc.)

Link.

Trump approval: 53/43 (+10)
Kasich approval: 47/47 (+/-0)

[Dr. Arch]

Holy hell

[Maxwell]

lol at Trump +10 approval ratings. Joke poll.

[Beet]

I told you guys, Ohio will be more Republican than Texas.

[Beet]

I told you guys, Ohio will be more Republican than Texas.

"But guys, we need to win back the rural people and WWCers!"

Yeah, they're not coming back...

I mean, we need to put in our best efforts in that demographic. I think that places like Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan can still be held onto.

[TheSaint250]

Wow if this is a continuing trend, then Brown is gone.

I'd say Tilt D

[JA]

This pollster has Trump's approval rating at 52-45% in Florida. The website also posts articles with headlines like this: Here's the Trump Ad the Corrupt Mainstream Media Refuses to Run

So, yeah, take this polling agency with a huge grain of salt...

[TheSaint250]

Wow if this is a continuing trend, then Brown is gone.

I'd say Tilt D

I really doubt Trump is +10 in a state he won by 8 though. Still not promising for Brown.

His disapproval is exactly what Hillary won. Trump could be getting approval from third-party voters

[heatcharger]

This pollster is total garbage that had some junk tracker with an obvious R bias during the GE. Still, things aren't looking good for Brown right now.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Never heard of PPD.  538 hasn't graded this.

This pollster has Trump's approval rating at 52-45% in Florida. The website also posts articles with headlines like this: Here's the Trump Ad the Corrupt Mainstream Media Refuses to Run

So, yeah, take this polling agency with a huge grain of salt...

Oh, and this.

[RINO Tom]

I told you guys, Ohio will be more Republican than Texas.

"But guys, we need to win back the rural people and WWCers!"

Yeah, they're not coming back...

Have you ever considered that Democrats pursuing some of these upscale, conservative leaning White voters in suburban areas is not what most in the party WANT to do?

[Skill and Chance]

I told you guys, Ohio will be more Republican than Texas.

"But guys, we need to win back the rural people and WWCers!"

Yeah, they're not coming back...

Have you ever considered that Democrats pursuing some of these upscale, conservative leaning White voters in suburban areas is not what most in the party WANT to do?

It is what it is.  Now that Trump is in office, the Dems basically have to become the 2010 British Conservatives if they want to control anything without the 2nd Great Depression happening first.  Sherrod Brown is probably the 3rd most likely Dem to lose after McCaskill and Donnelly. 

[jamestroll]

I do not know why you are all writing off this race just over this one poll??

Rematches rarely work out well but the challenger often has some lead in early polling.

I still have this one as toss up/too early. I doubt 2018 will be this huge GOP year.

[Xing]

People are seriously crapping their pants over a poll taken a year and a half before the election? Remind me again how Strickland will beat Portman.

[Skill and Chance]

I do not know why you are all writing off this race just over this one poll??

Rematches rarely work out well but the challenger often has some lead in early polling.

I still have this one as toss up/too early. I doubt 2018 will be this huge GOP year.

I don't either, but he's basically a Dem incumbent in Texas now.  Not impossible in the right climate, but he could be an underdog.

[Holmes]

Now I just need to know what ARG says.

[Pericles]

I will come back here and laugh at all those who took this poll seriously after the results of the Senate race come in.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

People are seriously crapping their pants over a poll taken a year and a half before the election? Remind me again how Strickland will beat Portman.

[BuckeyeNut]

People are seriously crapping their pants over a poll taken a year and a half before the election? Remind me again how Strickland will beat Portman.

Junk poll. But Brown can't take anything for granted.

[RINO Tom]

I told you guys, Ohio will be more Republican than Texas.

"But guys, we need to win back the rural people and WWCers!"

Yeah, they're not coming back...

Have you ever considered that Democrats pursuing some of these upscale, conservative leaning White voters in suburban areas is not what most in the party WANT to do?

It is what it is.  Now that Trump is in office, the Dems basically have to become the 2010 British Conservatives if they want to control anything without the 2nd Great Depression happening first.  Sherrod Brown is probably the 3rd most likely Dem to lose after McCaskill and Donnelly. 

You're using the (IMO) foolish assumption that having a guy/gal with a D next to his/her name is, in and of itself, valuable to Democratic leadership and the folks who donate to them.  Democratic voters, leaders and lobbyists want things; many of these goals are shared across wide ranges of the party's membership.  Getting someone in office to achieve these things is the point of the party, not getting someone in office, period.  The Democrats would lose more voters than they would pick up by "being the British Conservatives," and the leadership knows that.  The unifying principle of the Democratic Party - from Blacks to Hispanics to environmentalists to academia to public unions, etc. - is a belief in economic progressivism ... even among so-called moderates and "DLC types," you are talking about fiscal views that stop a mile short of the GOP policies that these upscale suburban voters you salivate about appealing to would prefer.  Running a socially conservative Democrat in Alabama or a fiscally moderate one in NOVA is one thing, as those folks are still going to support the broadest Democratic goals like a tax hike on the super wealthy to pay for liberal agendas ... literally running and electing a Reaganite who supports gay marriage and abortion rights is just simply never going to fly in that party, period.  Ever.

[Figueira]

I told you guys, Ohio will be more Republican than Texas.

"But guys, we need to win back the rural people and WWCers!"

Yeah, they're not coming back...

Have you ever considered that Democrats pursuing some of these upscale, conservative leaning White voters in suburban areas is not what most in the party WANT to do?

Because you have to play the hand your dealt? It's a lost cause trying to get the WWC to be a Democratic group at this point, as much as you'd want them to be. They can shave the margins maybe, but that's not the road to a House majority. And if they identify more with cultural Trumpism, then there's very little Dems can do to change their minds, absent economic collapse.

Nobody says they will be majority Democratic. That hasn't happened in fifty years. The point is to "shave at the margins." Why do people act like WWC are a monolithic block?

[Figueira]

Also haha, people are taking this poll seriously. I guess with so few polls people have nothing better to do.

[krazen1211]

R+1.

[McGovernForPrez]

I told you guys, Ohio will be more Republican than Texas.

"But guys, we need to win back the rural people and WWCers!"

Yeah, they're not coming back...

Have you ever considered that Democrats pursuing some of these upscale, conservative leaning White voters in suburban areas is not what most in the party WANT to do?

Because you have to play the hand your dealt? It's a lost cause trying to get the WWC to be a Democratic group at this point, as much as you'd want them to be. They can shave the margins maybe, but that's not the road to a House majority. And if they identify more with cultural Trumpism, then there's very little Dems can do to change their minds, absent economic collapse.

Nobody says they will be majority Democratic. That hasn't happened in fifty years. The point is to "shave at the margins." Why do people act like WWC are a monolithic block?

Yeah the WWC aren't a block. They vote far differently in the south than they do in say Ohio.

[Chief Justice Keef]

It's a competitive seat for sure, but I still rate it Lean D. Brown has the advantage in a rematch with Mandel, especially if things go south for the GOP by 2018.

Hope junk polls like this keep Republicans entertained.