How would/will you have voted?

[ApatheticAustrian]

-United Kingdom: Remain
-United States: Hillary
-The Netherlands: GL
-France: Macron
-United Kingdom: LibDem
-France: LREM
-Germany: Green Party (tactical)
-Italy: PD
-Austria: SPÖ

[Lachi]

-United Kingdom: Brexit: Remain

-United States: Presidential: Democrat

-The Netherlands: Legislature: D66

-France: Presidential: PS

-United Kingdom: Legislature: Swing Labour/Lib Dem, any thing really to try to keep the Tories out

-France: Legislature: En Marche

-Germany: Legislature: SDP

-Italy: Legislature: PD

-Austria: Legislature: Grünen

[mvd10]

-United Kingdom: Brexit: Remain

-United States: Presidential: Democrat

-The Netherlands: Legislature: D66

-France: Presidential: PS

-United Kingdom: Legislature: Swing Labour/Lib Dem, any thing really to try to keep the Tories out

-France: Legislature: En Marche

-Germany: Legislature: SDP

-Italy: Legislature: PD

-Austria: Legislature: Grünen

Why Hamon in France and D66 in the Netherlands? Hamon/GreenLeft or Macron/D66 make more sense to me.

[DavidB.]

Why Hamon in France and D66 in the Netherlands? Hamon/GreenLeft or Macron/D66 make more sense to me.

This is also my question to ApatheticAustrian: why Macron in France in the first round and GL in the Netherlands?

Also, don't you mind voting SPÖ when they could potentially enter the government with the FPÖ (whereas the Greens wouldn't do this)?

[Tender Branson]

Why Hamon in France and D66 in the Netherlands? Hamon/GreenLeft or Macron/D66 make more sense to me.

This is also my question to ApatheticAustrian: why Macron in France in the first round and GL in the Netherlands?

Also, don't you mind voting SPÖ when they could potentially enter the government with the FPÖ (whereas the Greens wouldn't do this)?

I'm not AA, but I'll very likely vote for the SPÖ too this time (tactically) - mostly because I like Kern.

And while the Greens obviously won't enter a coalition with the FPÖ, the SPÖ could (but I don't see it that much of a problem). People are interpreting way too much into the FPÖ being in a government. Just because ÖVP-FPÖ sucked between 2000-2006, it doesn't have to be this way in a SPÖ-FPÖ coalition with different actors. In Burgenland for example, it works just fine. And it wouldn't be the end for the EUrocrats, even if they will cry out loud and whine for weeks and months if such a coalition is created.

Virtually everything is better than the current incestuous SPÖVP government ...

[ApatheticAustrian]

Why Hamon in France and D66 in the Netherlands? Hamon/GreenLeft or Macron/D66 make more sense to me.

This is also my question to ApatheticAustrian: why Macron in France in the first round and GL in the Netherlands?

Also, don't you mind voting SPÖ when they could potentially enter the government with the FPÖ (whereas the Greens wouldn't do this)?

could easily be that i would have switched to d66 if i learn a little bit more about GL-positions which are not so prominent in the media. (like, for example, international stuff or particular economical positions), i just like my progressive-pro-western agenda with a bit of "moderate" left-wing economics.

macron was an easy vote, only one candidate would have gone to the second round, the left brand was dead anyway after hollande and it was necessary to push him higher than fillon/melenchon.....besides i think france needs structural reforms, i don't think net netherlands need a lot of breaking-up.


regarding austria...... Kern is a good politican who knows how to play the media, the green party is going to have a weak year/candidate anyway and as an austrian you can't reject fpö coalitions permanently, if you want to govern at all. if wilder's share of the vote would be 30 points or more, it wouldn't be much different in the netherlands. my fav would have been a social-liberal coalition, ofc, but who am i kidding in this country?

i disagree with tender about the success of such a coalition, cause the national FPÖ doesn't have any clue how to govern at all and is living by a fragile coalition of pro-business ÖVP-friendly rural voters and pro-social welfare SPÖ-friendly urban voters, which couldn't be hold up inside of government ......but i am willing to take the risk against another lame black-blue coalition, since we haven't had the change to clear the mess of the last one.

[President Johnson]

-United Kingdom: Brexit: Remain
-United States: President: Hillary Clinton
-The Netherlands: Legislature: Worker's Party
-France: Presidential: Emmanuel Macron (both rounds)
-United Kingdom: Legislature: Liberal Democrats (not Labor because of Corbyn)
-France: Legislature: En Marche!
-Germany: Legislature: Social Democratic Party (SPD) (as a member of that party)
-Italy: Legislature: PD
-Austria: Legislature: Social Democratic Party (SPÖ) (big fan of Chancellor Kern)

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

-United Kingdom: Leave unless I lived in Northern Ireland
-United States: NOTA
-The Netherlands: CU?
-France: Fillon, NOTA
-United Kingdom: CON in most places; SDLP in Northern Ireland
-France: LR most likely, but open to others depending on the constituency
-Germany: Either CDU or AfD
-Italy: ??
-Austria: OVP, unless they prove too spineless, then FPO

spineless in regards to ?

[TJ in Oregon]

-United Kingdom: Leave unless I lived in Northern Ireland
-United States: NOTA
-The Netherlands: CU?
-France: Fillon, NOTA
-United Kingdom: CON in most places; SDLP in Northern Ireland
-France: LR most likely, but open to others depending on the constituency
-Germany: Either CDU or AfD
-Italy: ??
-Austria: OVP, unless they prove too spineless, then FPO

spineless in regards to ?

The onward march of social liberalism, broadly speaking (the usual assortment of issues). The OVP has done a better job resisting than most of the other western European "conservative" parties,  but frankly once you get past the whole deporting everyone thing, I probably do agree with the FPO on more things than the OVP!

Also, I can't stand the EU.

[Sumner 1868]

UK: Leave/Labour
US: Clinton
Netherlands: ?
France: Abatain
Germany: Abstain
Italy: SI
Austria: Van der Bellen

[Arturo Belano]

-United Kingdom: Leave;Labour
-United States: Stein
-The Netherlands: Socialist Party
-France: Melenchon/Neither;La France insoumise
-Germany: Die Linke
-Italy: Sinistra Italiana
-Austria: SPÖ

[Gass3268]

-United Kingdom: Remain
-United States: Sanders/Clinton
-The Netherlands: GL
-France: Harmon/Macron
-United Kingdom: Labour-LibDem (Tactical Vote - Must destroy the Tories!)
-France: PS/Whichever party is more to the left
-Germany: SDP
-Italy: PD
-Austria: SPÖ

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Trump, Leave, not Gert Wilders, LePen, UKIP until Diane James left, Tory after Theresa May became PM, Alternative for Germany in Deutschland, no idea about Italy, Hofer's party in Austria.

[Lachi]

-United Kingdom: Brexit Remain
-United States: Presidential Clinton
-The Netherlands: Legislature VVD
-France: Presidential Fillion, then suicide
-United Kingdom: Legislature Conservative
-France: Legislature The Republicans
-Germany: Legislature CDU
-Italy: Legislature Five Star Movement
-Austria: Legislature OVP

Why M5S in Italy?

[mvd10]

-United Kingdom: Brexit Remain
-United States: Presidential Hillary Clinton
-The Netherlands: Legislature VVD
-France: Presidential Fillon/Macron
-United Kingdom: Legislature Conservative party Whatever fringe libertarian party is available
-France: Legislature Les Republicains
-Germany: Legislature Really don't know yet FDP
-Italy: Legislature Democratic Party
-Austria: Legislature ÖVP

Not supporting the Tories after May's shameless rejection of Thatcherism (and her authoritorian internet surveillance proposal also played a role). We need a small Tory majority so Thatcherite backbenchers can block some of her more leftist proposals.

I also decided to endorse the FDP in Germany.

[DC Al Fine]

-United Kingdom: Brexit: Leave
-United States: Presidential: Evan McMullin
-The Netherlands: Legislature: SGP
-France: Presidential Fillon/Spoil ballot
-United Kingdom: Legislature: Conservative*
-France: Legislature Les Republicains*
-Germany: Legislature: CDU/*
-Italy: Legislature: Alternativa Popolare
-Austria: Legislature: ÖVP

*Or some fringe socon party for where available

[TheSaint250]

-United Kingdom: Brexit Pro-Brexit
-United States: Presidential Donald Trump
-The Netherlands: Legislature VVD/PVV
-France: Presidential Marine Le Pen
-United Kingdom: Legislature Conservative
-France: Legislature National Front (or whatever it will become)
-Germany: Legislature CDU/AfD
-Italy: Legislature M5S
-Austria: Legislature FPÖ Team Stronach

I did more research into Team Stronach, and while I wouldn't be 100% opposed to FPÖ, Team Stronach seems better in my opinion.

[YL]

-United Kingdom: Brexit Remain
-United States: Presidential Clinton
-The Netherlands: Legislature GroenLinks
-France: Presidential Macron/Macron (tactically in the first round)
-United Kingdom: Legislature: Probably Labour in most places, Lib Dem or SNP where they're best placed to beat the Tories, Alliance or SDLP in Northern Ireland.  There are a few other places (e.g. Vauxhall) where candidate issues mean I might not vote Labour.
-France: Legislature: Depends on the constituency, but ignoring tactical considerations in the first round PS or their allies.
-Germany: Legislature Greens
-Italy: Legislature PD I guess
-Austria: Legislature Greens

[Tender Branson]

-United Kingdom: Brexit Pro-Brexit
-United States: Presidential Donald Trump
-The Netherlands: Legislature VVD/PVV
-France: Presidential Marine Le Pen
-United Kingdom: Legislature Conservative
-France: Legislature National Front (or whatever it will become)
-Germany: Legislature CDU/AfD
-Italy: Legislature M5S
-Austria: Legislature FPÖ Team Stronach

I did more research into Team Stronach, and while I wouldn't be 100% opposed to FPÖ, Team Stronach seems better in my opinion.

No need to ride a dead horse (the TS will get about 0.5% of the vote in October). Besides, TS and the FPÖ are virtually the same. About 90% of their voters from 2013 will be absorbed by the FPÖ.

[Kingpoleon]

-United Kingdom: Brexit Remain
-United States: Presidential Hillary Clinton
-The Netherlands: Legislature VVD
-France: Presidential Fillon/Macron
-United Kingdom: Legislature Conservative party Whatever fringe libertarian party is available
-France: Legislature Les Republicains
-Germany: Legislature Really don't know yet FDP
-Italy: Legislature Democratic Party
-Austria: Legislature ÖVP

Not supporting the Tories after May's shameless rejection of Thatcherism (and her authoritorian internet surveillance proposal also played a role). We need a small Tory majority so Thatcherite backbenchers can block some of her more leftist proposals.

I also decided to endorse the FDP in Germany.

I don't really get a LR/Hillary/Remain voter who wants to vote for a fringe libertarian party in the United Kingdom. Hillary is quite a bit to the left of May, the Conservatives, and many Liberal Democrats.

[Middle-aged Europe]

-United Kingdom: Remain
-United States: Sanders in the primary, Clinton in the general
-The Netherlands: GroenLinks
-France: Macron, both rounds
-United Kingdom: Labour (SNP in Scotland, SDLP in Northern Ireland)
-France: PS, PRG, or EELV (depending on the constituency)
-Germany: Greens
-Italy: PD
-Austria: Greens

[mvd10]

-United Kingdom: Brexit Remain
-United States: Presidential Hillary Clinton
-The Netherlands: Legislature VVD
-France: Presidential Fillon/Macron
-United Kingdom: Legislature Conservative party Whatever fringe libertarian party is available
-France: Legislature Les Republicains
-Germany: Legislature Really don't know yet FDP
-Italy: Legislature Democratic Party
-Austria: Legislature ÖVP

Not supporting the Tories after May's shameless rejection of Thatcherism (and her authoritorian internet surveillance proposal also played a role). We need a small Tory majority so Thatcherite backbenchers can block some of her more leftist proposals.

I also decided to endorse the FDP in Germany.

I don't really get a LR/Hillary/Remain voter who wants to vote for a fringe libertarian party in the United Kingdom. Hillary is quite a bit to the left of May, the Conservatives, and many Liberal Democrats.

I would have voted for Hillary mainly because Trump is a total disaster and he would pull the Republican party in the wrong direction (he isn't getting any conservative legislation I care about passed anyway). I would have voted for most Republicans over Hillary. I would have voted Remain because Brexit will be a total trainwreck. And I would have voted LR because there isn't really anything better in France (though I guess the same applies to the Tories in the UK). And atleast they want to take France in the right direction. Fillon's economic program was really ambitious.

Theresa May wants to turn the Tories in a pre-Thatcher One Nation Conservative party. Energy price cap, not ruling out income tax hikes, saying she doesn't believe in unfettered free markets and stuff like that. And her proposal to heavily regulate the internet also is terrible. I can afford a protest vote here because May will win anyway, but the smaller her majority the better. I don't want her to transform the Conservative party in a Mayist party.

I'm basically a fiscally conservative socially liberal™ ''get of my porn internet'' type who doesn't really care about immigration. I'm probably a lot more pro-EU than your average Atlas right-winger even though I definitely wouldn't call myself an Europhile.

[Kingpoleon]

But you do concede May's economics are well to the right of Hillary's?

I would argue to you that Corbyn is twice the threat to liberal democracy than Trump ever has been. Trump spoke for a group of people that were hurting - Corbyn speaks for a group of radicals who wish to overthrow an order, not because of pain, but for the sake of radicalism.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

But you do concede May's economics are well to the right of Hillary's?

I would argue to you that Corbyn is twice the threat to liberal democracy than Trump ever has been. Trump spoke for a group of people that were hurting - Corbyn speaks for a group of radicals who wish to overthrow an order, not because of pain, but for the sake of radicalism.

Totally false. Don't assume people's intentions. Corbyn is fighting the admirable fight against the Blairites to the bitter end, and he's winning for the sake of what is good.

[ApatheticAustrian]

the prime minister of the non-eu-member UK can never ever be a similar danger to freedom as the prez of the US, even if he is a total nutjob.