BREAKING: Trump Fires Comey

[The_Doctor]

So the Russian investigation must be heating up and Trump must be getting worried. How shocking that Trump is now trying to destroy an active FBI investigation by changing the director.

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Of course this is the final nail in proving Trump is guilty of serious crimes against the Constitution in the election. Firing Comey is a sign he wants to stop the ongoing investigations.

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So.....all the bitching in earlier months that comey needs to be fired is out the window because the guy you hate ended up doing it?

Pure hypocrisy.

So hey, do you believe anything about Trump and Russia? Or are you cool with everything in that department?

I'm guessing you actually don't mind that the investigation might be hurt because you don't want the truth eh?

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So.....all the bitching in earlier months that comey needs to be fired is out the window because the guy you hate ended up doing it?

Pure hypocrisy.

Deflect, deflect, deflect

Well don't be too mean. Marty is a devout believer in Trump and needs the bad Russian story to go away because it's gonna help the big bad liberals. He runs away a lot from debates too because he doesn't really justify his opinion. Kind of cowardice, in a way but hey what can you do?

So reflection is his mental way of handling it.  *shrugs*

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WHY WOULD YOU FIRE A MAN WHO NOW HAS FREE REIGN TO LEAK AND SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS?

This board is so ate up with derangement syndrome that it cannot think.

If hillary had fired comey, you folks would be creaming in your underpants.

Deflect, deflect, deflect. Answer the question: do you believes there's a problem with Russia that should be investigated?

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WHY WOULD YOU FIRE A MAN WHO NOW HAS FREE REIGN TO LEAK AND SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS?

This board is so ate up with derangement syndrome that it cannot think.

If hillary had fired comey, you folks would be creaming in your underpants.

This board is FAR, FAR left of the mainstream. Further left than DU in many aspects.

Answer the question on Russia.

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Can you say cover up boys an girls

Bingo!

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Get the  off Atlas, silent cal. Just get the  off.

Nah why would I? You're deflecting and you want to troll us so I'm just challenging your assertions here.

You want your critics to stop arguing with you, means your case must be weaker than you think eh? Either you stand the heat or get out of the kitchen.

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Get the  off Atlas, silent cal. Just get the  off.

Why should he? Because you don't like what he's saying? Or what he might say? You're starting to sound like someone familiar...

Perhaps you didn't venture over to the Atlas section of the board? Where liberal after liberal petition for conservatives to be banned?

Funnily enough not a liberal here.

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No Trump supporter can answer the question: how do we have faith in Donald Trump's ability to appoint a FBI director when there are active FBI investigations into Trump's campaign with Russia? How do we have any faith that this wasn't motivated, in part, by the Russian investigation Comey led?

I keep asking that question because I believe that the Trump supporters can't answer it.

By the way I thought Comey did fine and I thought Clinton was pretty unethical so dont throw that bull at me.

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FOX reporting diane feinstein was instrumental in the decision to fire him.

Yeah you're deflecting. You're just trolling at this point and trying to go for “The Democrats are onboard this.“

My questions on Russia and Trump stand. At least be honest enough to tell us you don't actually care about the investigation.

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I like how it was all “bitter liberals screaming!” but when we get to the heart  of the matter -- the involvement with Russia the Trump people refuse to engage and deflect, hiding behind the insults.

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FOX reporting diane feinstein was instrumental in the decision to fire him.

Yeah you're deflecting. You're just trolling at this point and trying to go for “The Democrats are onboard this.“

I have said THREE times in this thread that the russia stuff needs to be investigated and that there were shady people working in the campaign. I will say nothing more until evidence is presented.

Do you morons think investigators are carried out by directors?

Ah, now we're getting somewhere. You were pretty EnglishPete for a while trying to dodge.

Now answer the second half of my questions: why aren't you concerned about the conflict of interest that Donald Trump would have in replacing Comey? You specifically say directors don't carry out investigations but they have considerable power over them and make the final recommendations to prosecute -- or not to.

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I dont care about Feinstein, I don't care about 2016, I dont care about all of that. What I want to know is simple: how you guarantee a full and fair investigation of Trump's connections to Russia with a Trump - led FBI director who has to sign off on the orders and guide the investigation.

This is what matters.

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Quick question for Trump supporters. Do you guys support having a special prosecutor lead the investigation?

I mean if Trump is clean then what does he have to hide?

Yes. Dems can go ahead and keep 'investigating' this politically created accusation til the end of time. I don't care.

I'm not a stupid person. I know BS when I see it. If dems want to waste their time steeped in their own hatred, pushing their concocted hit narrative instead of trying to actually rebuild their broken party, then so be it. You people are willing tools and that's just sad. Your hatred is so great that you are blinded from the simple truth.

And that's that the American people so thoroughly rejected your party ideas (segregation/identity politics) that the dems are now at their lowest elective force in a century. I know it may not seem that way to you, given the kind of media you consume. But it's the truth. The dems are a broken party who are now exclusively driven by the idea that their political opposition is nefarious and evil.

But you just keep searching for the 'evidence' that you haven't found yet. Just know that the people who are pushing this narrative don't love you like you love them. You are just their willing tool.

In short, you guys are 'bubble-lized'. You have no understanding of the world outside of the media talking heads. You're brainwashed.

Engage me. Why do you think the Russian allegations are false?

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So.....all the bitching in earlier months that comey needs to be fired is out the window because the guy you hate ended up doing it?

Pure hypocrisy.

So hey, do you believe anything about Trump and Russia? Or are you cool with everything in that department?

I'm guessing you actually don't mind that the investigation might be hurt because you don't want the truth eh?

Despite all the witch hunt hysteria that's been going on for months now over this Trump/Russia conspiracy theory one has been able to produce actual evidence that withstands scrutiny to back up the claims that Trump campaign was linked to Russian hacking of the election or that the Russians even hacked the election in the first place.

Okay got you down for “No Russian allegations are credible,” so moving on.

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Ok if there is no evidence but Comey was leading an investigation, surely there should be no problem with a special prosecutor right? To clear the air with the concerns raised in multiple quarters including from GOP senators?

Or is there no conflict of interest in the fact Trump is appointing a FBI director who is overseeing that investigation?

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Oh God, EP is here. As Todd Akin would say, time to shut this whole thing down.

The point was always to demonstrate that the Right either believes the intelligence community (the deep state) and the concerns of our allies were to be dismissed as merely as part of a vast liberal conspiracy against the President or to acknowledge the firing was under extremely questionable circumstances.

EP subscribe to the belief that the deep state is against Donald Trump and that there is a vast liberal conspiracy so I'm not engaging them because their answers are clear and there's not much to go on.  Sanchez and Marty haven't answered and they think that there is a conflict of interest.

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So.....all the bitching in earlier months that comey needs to be fired is out the window because the guy you hate ended up doing it?

Pure hypocrisy.

So hey, do you believe anything about Trump and Russia? Or are you cool with everything in that department?

I'm guessing you actually don't mind that the investigation might be hurt because you don't want the truth eh?

Despite all the witch hunt hysteria that's been going on for months now over this Trump/Russia conspiracy theory one has been able to produce actual evidence that withstands scrutiny to back up the claims that Trump campaign was linked to Russian hacking of the election or that the Russians even hacked the election in the first place.

Okay got you down for “No Russian allegations are credible,” so moving on.

No allegation is credible unless it is backed up by evidence.

Is it okay for someone to accuse you, TD, of being a child molester with no proof?

Let's go with your example.

Of course not. Of course if multiple people are saying I am a child molester and they don't have connections to each other perhaps we should investigate me. There's no harm in doing so; if I'm innocent, I'll be cleared. If I'm guilty then its worth the investigating, right?

Further if I fired one of the investigators and replaced him you would be understandably upset.

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Oh God, EP is here. As Todd Akin would say, time to shut this whole thing down.

The point was always to demonstrate that the Right either believes the intelligence community (the deep state) and the concerns of our allies were to be dismissed as merely as part of a vast liberal conspiracy against the President or to acknowledge the firing was under extremely questionable circumstances.

EP and JJC subscribe to the belief that the deep state is against Donald Trump and that there is a vast liberal conspiracy so I'm not engaging them because their answers are clear and there's not much to go on.  Sanchez and Marty haven't answered and they think that there is a conflict of interest.

lol.

You just asked for me to engage you. Now that I have (with very simple 'there's no evidence of these accusation' logic), you're floundering.

I just answered you actually. Not floundering at all. I'm happy to debate this. I'll strike your name from that comment.

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So.....all the bitching in earlier months that comey needs to be fired is out the window because the guy you hate ended up doing it?

Pure hypocrisy.

So hey, do you believe anything about Trump and Russia? Or are you cool with everything in that department?

I'm guessing you actually don't mind that the investigation might be hurt because you don't want the truth eh?

Despite all the witch hunt hysteria that's been going on for months now over this Trump/Russia conspiracy theory one has been able to produce actual evidence that withstands scrutiny to back up the claims that Trump campaign was linked to Russian hacking of the election or that the Russians even hacked the election in the first place.

Okay got you down for “No Russian allegations are credible,” so moving on.

No allegation is credible unless it is backed up by evidence.

Is it okay for someone to accuse you, TD, of being a child molester with no proof?

Let's go with your example.

Of course not. Of course if multiple people are saying I am a child molester and they don't have connections to each other perhaps we should investigate me. There's no harm in doing so; if I'm innocent, I'll be cleared. If I'm guilty then its worth the investigating, right?

How long should they keep investigating you for? 6 months? Two years? Four? Eight?

What if after eight years they still haven't found proff that you are a child molester, but hey, we gotta keep investigating!

What if your name was dragged through the mud every single day, with headlines like 'TD under investigation for child molestation charges'.

Every single day.

The feds just haven't found the evidence yet. They just need to keep investigating more!

Well let's explore the example more. Let's say the suspicions were that I ran a huge child prostitution ring in fact. Let's say the investigation began about a year ago, less than that, and started because of happenstance and that a serious investigation only started happening a couple of months ago. Let's say that several of my associates have raised questions about me.

Shouldn't a massive investigation require time - including more than just several months? And shouldn't it be fully funded and fully staffed to either  clear my name or prosecute me?

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One more thing and I mean this. It would be nice if we stopped looking at this as a partisan football. We should hope Trump is innocent. And let's be honest I hate that man but if he's guilty the republic will take a serious hit. I'd rather he lost in 2020 on the merits not that we had a second impeachment in 50 years. This isn't intended as a bronz post or moderate hero garbage.

Democrats should remember what caused the fall of Rome and other republics. It's the loss of faith in public institutions. And the Trump supporters should honestly welcome a full and independent probe. If Trump's guilty your policy aims are better achieved with Pence (who would win my vote if he's innocent). A Donald Trump dogged by Russian allegations is a Donald Trump who is all that much weaker and can't accomplish all you hope for.

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How long should they keep investigating you for? 6 months? Two years? Four? Eight?

What if after eight years they still haven't found proff that you are a child molester, but hey, we gotta keep investigating!

What if your name was dragged through the mud every single day, with headlines like 'TD under investigation for child molestation charges'.

Every single day.

The feds just haven't found the evidence yet. They just need to keep investigating more!

As I said, this is all political BS and everyone knows it. But because liberals are 'bubble-lized, they think this nonsense actually helps them.

I predict big losses in 2018 for dems.

You guys investigated the Clinton's for 30 years and you still talk about the 'Clinton body count.' 'her emails,' 'Vince Foster'

Just ignore JJC...he's a hack

Who's 'you guys'.

The Feds? I don't think so.

But for fun, imagine if Trump did the things Bill Clinton did while in office.

Do you think the media would treat him the same?😂

Regardless, Comey was an incompetent creature of politics who tried to please everyone instead of just doing his job.

For one, he should have prosecuted Clinton when he publicly stated the she clearly broke a bunch of federal laws (with evidence!). Instead, he let her off the hook claiming there was no intent (like WTF?How do you set up a private server and then delete all of the data one day after it was subpoenaed without intent?). But even if it was true, negligence is no excuse. Aren't we all taught that in civics class? Apparently the Clinton's get a bypass because of her political position. Yay. Then he bungled the Huma investigation (which, again, evidence showed that Huma transmitted classified emails to Wieners phone.) Why isn't Huma being charged? And why am I not surprised?

Comey needed to go. I'm fairly confident that Trump wanted to fire him from week one, yet held back precisely because of the optics of it. And if linton had one, probably would have wished to the same, yet would have held back as well, for precisely the same reason.

But now its been 6 months. There's nothing there to the Russian nonsense as been proven by continual witchhunt and demagoguery. Comey's time has come

Are you answering me or is this the answer? Wasn't sure.

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No Trump supporter can answer the question: how do we have faith in Donald Trump's ability to appoint a FBI director when there are active FBI investigations into Trump's campaign with Russia? How do we have any faith that this wasn't motivated, in part, by the Russian investigation Comey led?

I keep asking that question because I believe that the Trump supporters can't answer it.

By the way I thought Comey did fine and I thought Clinton was pretty unethical so dont throw that bull at me.

There aren't "active FBI investigations" into "Trump's campaign with Russia." Comey himself said time and time again that there was no evidence of collusion with Russia by anyone in the Trump campaign.

I'll give YOU the cookie if you can figure out the basic mistake that you are making with your assertion, just as I promised your fellow forum denizen.

Here's the link.  I was rather specific with my statement.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/fbi-investigation-trump-russia-comey.amp.html

Money quote:

Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. was “investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.”

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So.....all the bitching in earlier months that comey needs to be fired is out the window because the guy you hate ended up doing it?

Pure hypocrisy.

So hey, do you believe anything about Trump and Russia? Or are you cool with everything in that department?

I'm guessing you actually don't mind that the investigation might be hurt because you don't want the truth eh?

Despite all the witch hunt hysteria that's been going on for months now over this Trump/Russia conspiracy theory one has been able to produce actual evidence that withstands scrutiny to back up the claims that Trump campaign was linked to Russian hacking of the election or that the Russians even hacked the election in the first place.

Okay got you down for “No Russian allegations are credible,” so moving on.

No allegation is credible unless it is backed up by evidence.

Is it okay for someone to accuse you, TD, of being a child molester with no proof?

Let's go with your example.

Of course not. Of course if multiple people are saying I am a child molester and they don't have connections to each other perhaps we should investigate me. There's no harm in doing so; if I'm innocent, I'll be cleared. If I'm guilty then its worth the investigating, right?

How long should they keep investigating you for? 6 months? Two years? Four? Eight?

What if after eight years they still haven't found proff that you are a child molester, but hey, we gotta keep investigating!

What if your name was dragged through the mud every single day, with headlines like 'TD under investigation for child molestation charges'.

Every single day.

The feds just haven't found the evidence yet. They just need to keep investigating more!

Well let's explore the example more. Let's say the suspicions were that I ran a huge child prostitution ring in fact. Let's say the investigation began about a year ago, less than that, and started because of happenstance and that a serious investigation only started happening a couple of months ago. Let's say that several of my associates have raised questions about me.

Shouldn't a massive investigation require time - including more than just several months? And shouldn't it be fully funded and fully staffed to either  clear my name or prosecute me?

And why would you be suspected of child trafficking? Just because Bob from Florida called the FBI and said so?

There has to be some kind of evidence - even circumstantial - to support a continued, aggressive investigation.

Stop trying to act non-partisan. You are a partisan leftist on a fools witch hunt. You believe this Russian nonsense because you want it to be true.

And it's just going to lead your party into further dysfunction.

Actually if you perused my posts they exhibit a conservatism on abortions, gun control, the death penalty, opposition to ObamaCare, illegal immigrants, opposition to Medicare and Social Security, and of course opposition to Russia. You'll also see I voted Rick Santorum in 2012. Not a Democratic hack. Lastly, you will see I voted for George W. last year and a Republican Congress, as I have done fie a decade. I just in this thread said I was open to Pence.

Now with that dispelled: in this parallel it wasn't Bob from Florida. It was the FBI director, Scotland Yard and a few other places. They've all expressed concern.

Cant really concieve of a parallel, so Russia's Twitter activity and Roger Stone's contacts with Wikileaks (linked to Fancy Bear) suggest that there should be an investigation. For example Roger Stone knew about the Podesta emails before they came out.

Don't you think that's circumstantial enough?