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« on: May 09, 2017, 10:52:35 PM »
« edited: May 09, 2017, 10:54:27 PM by Frodo »

It's the beginning of the end for Trump.
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2017, 10:58:40 PM »


Actions speak louder than words. These Republicans better commit to it!
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2017, 11:06:19 PM »


Actions speak louder than words. These Republicans better commit to it!

People gotta put their money where there mouths are.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2017, 11:08:02 PM »

Unless I'm missing something, this article mentions just 2 Republican Senators, no? One of them is McCain, who has at least lately had a penchant for strong words and little more. If this is it, it seems like the GOP caucus is still mostly unified in its dedication to party over country.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2017, 11:11:47 PM »

Unless I'm missing something, this article mentions just 2 Republican Senators, no? One of them is McCain, who has at least lately had a penchant for strong words and little more. If this is it, it seems like the GOP caucus is still mostly unified in its dedication to party over country.

It is just two for now, but it's a start.  Wait a little -more will soon join them. 
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2017, 11:20:05 PM »

I don't trust these people.

tax cuts and naked tribalism is the only thing they seem to care about.

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2017, 11:23:17 PM »

I'll believe it when I see it.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2017, 11:23:28 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2017, 12:21:41 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2017, 12:43:18 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2017, 01:29:44 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2017, 01:42:06 AM »

Specifically, I'll believe it when I see a Republican who doesn't have a history of regularly tweaking or bashing Trump speaks up. Justin Amash, Jeff Flake, John "Not a War Hero" McCain, or Lindsey "Literally doxxed on national television by Trump" Graham don't count.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2017, 01:57:03 AM »

I do think there are at least a reasonable number of Republicans who want to do the right thing, and in the end, if there is a there there, they will. Ultimately they care about America and take their duty seriously. And I do think that ultimately people like Lindsey Graham, Ben Sasse, Richard Burr, and Jeff Flake will do that, if and when push comes to shove. There are surely more that feel the same way, but are more quiet about it because primary elections can be harsh things.

If there were a similar matter involving a Democratic President, you would see similar patterns on the Dem side of things, with on the one hand a partisan impulse to minimize things, and some people who are better able to resist that.

Note that these people usually are NOT moderates, as integrity tends to go along with believing in something bigger than yourself, to some degree or other. The hackiest of partisan hacks are more often than not moderates (example, Susan Collins, and her stomach turning response to the Comey firing).

And so these people, with at least some minimal sense of integrity, are also not like Trump, who only believes in what is best for himself.
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2017, 02:02:15 AM »

Specifically, I'll believe it when I see a Republican who doesn't have a history of regularly tweaking or bashing Trump speaks up. Justin Amash, Jeff Flake, John "Not a War Hero" McCain, or Lindsey "Literally doxxed on national television by Trump" Graham don't count.

Howsabout Richard Burr?

And as for Graham, compare and contrast him to someone like Marco Rubio, who was similarly humiliated on national television (probably in an even worse way than Graham).

And look at the differences in how they have responded. Rubio simply has pathetically confirmed Trump's "Little Marco" caricature.

Graham has acted with a basic level of honor and decency, I would say. That counts for something, even if in other respects (e.g. national security policy) someone like Graham is more dangerous than almost anyone else in the Senate.
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2017, 05:01:08 PM »

Whip count:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/independent-prosecutor-russia-whip-count/?utm_term=.bab1d9768a5a

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But as one might expect, Republicans are mostly willing to give Trump a pass.
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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2017, 05:20:40 PM »

Whip count:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/independent-prosecutor-russia-whip-count/?utm_term=.bab1d9768a5a

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But as one might expect, Republicans are mostly willing to give Trump a pass.

Mostly. Democrats will not give the President a pass. Some Republicans may want an investigation solely to get the mess over with in the expectation that the President will be  cleared of any scent of wrong-doing.  But there are limits to what Republicans will tolerate. There will be House and Senate seats up for election in 2018 and 2020. It is better to be on the right side of history and the wrong side of the President if such is the choice. 
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2017, 05:27:51 PM »

We should fire McCain next. Whatever it takes.
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2017, 06:24:39 PM »

I knew before clicking on the article that McCain was going to be the profile story. I did not think that there would be only one other Republican mentioned as a footnote (seemingly only for the purpose of making the headline a plural one).

Yawn.
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2017, 06:27:24 PM »

Comstock apparently sounded on board with this today FWIW
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2017, 06:29:32 PM »

We should fire McCain next. Whatever it takes.

Unfortunately, he's in his last term.
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2017, 09:27:11 PM »

We should fire McCain next. Whatever it takes.

John McCain is 80 years old (turning 81 in August) and isn't up for Re-election until 2022, when he'll be 87 years old.   It's extremely doubtful you'll get the chance.   
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