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Gerald Ford
 
#2
Jimmy Carter
 
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Ronald Reagan
 
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George H. W. Bush
 
#5
Bill Clinton
 
#6
George W. Bush
 
#7
Barack Obama
 
#8
Donald Trump
 
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« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2017, 06:12:14 PM »
« edited: May 12, 2017, 06:14:02 PM by Jacobin American »

Overall

1. Donald Trump (R)
2. Ronald Reagan (R)
3. George W. Bush (R)
4. Bill Clinton (D)
5. George H. W. Bush (R)
6. Gerald Ford (R)
7. Barack Obama (D)
8. Jimmy Carter (D)

Personally

1. Donald Trump (R)
2. Bill Clinton (D)
3. Ronald Reagan (R)
4. George W. Bush (R)
5. Gerald Ford (R)
6. Barack Obama (D)
7. George H. W. Bush (R)
8. Jimmy Carter (D)

Policy

1. Ronald Reagan (R)
2. George W. Bush (R)
3. Bill Clinton (D)
4. Donald Trump (R)
5. George H. W. Bush (R)
6. Gerald Ford (R)
7. Barack Obama (D)
8. Jimmy Carter (D)

Governance

1. Donald Trump (R)
2. George W. Bush (R)
3. Jimmy Carter (D)
4. Ronald Reagan (R)
5. Bill Clinton (D)
6. Gerald Ford (R)
7. George H. W. Bush (R)
8. Barack Obama (D)
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« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2017, 04:03:32 AM »

Donald Trump by far.

Very positive:
1.) Barack Obama
2.) Gerald Ford

Meh:
3.) Bill Clinton
4.) Jimmy Carter

5.) Poppy Bush

Poor:
6.) The Gipper
7.) Dubya


Disgusting:
8.) The Donald
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« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2017, 08:02:55 AM »

From Worst to Best:

Trump: A National Security Advisor who was out like Flynn, a fast-spreading Russia scandal, an inept & inhumane executive order on immigration, a White House that can't find recruits for sub-Cabinet jobs, & a crap presidential approval rating to top it all off

W.: His legacy will be forever haunted by a series of public speaking gaffes & costly wars in Iraq & Afghanistan

Reagan: His poor policies, such as bloating the nat'l defense, drastically cutting social services, & making illegal arms-for-hostages deals, led the country into record deficits & global embarrassment

Carter: The Carter legacy is one of workaday reforms that made significant improvements in American life: cheaper travel & cheaper goods for the middle class. Ironically enough, the president you'd never want to have a beer w/ brought you better beer... & much else besides; he's the President who actually did the thankless job of restraining & reforming gov't.

Ford: He faced extraordinary challenges, especially involving the nation's economic woes, which he struggled to solve. He had difficulty navigating a demanding political environment in which Democrats (from across the ideological spectrum) & conservative Republicans found fault w/ his leadership & his foreign & domestic policies. However, Ford was an innately decent & good man who brought honor to the White House.

HW: In my opinion, Bush 41 is underrated. He handled the end of the Cold War w/ dignity & broadly had very good foreign policy (w/ the Gulf War being the most shining example of this). He was stabbed in the back by Gingrich in the budget negotiations & then mercilessly hammered on his broken promise to not raise taxes by conservatives like Pat Buchanan, which is the biggest thing that led to his defeat (& the fact there'd been 12 years of Republicans in the White House). He was also very moderate in comparison to Reagan. I think, by & large, he was one of the best post-World War II Presidents.

Clinton: Under his presidency, the U.S. enjoyed the lowest unemployment & inflation rates in recent history, high home ownership, low crime rates, & a budget surplus. He eliminated the fed. deficit & reformed welfare, despite being forced to deal w/ a GOP-controlled Congress

Obama: In my judgment, there's little doubt that future historians will rank him high in the historical rankings of presidents. First: the passage of the Affordable Care Act. Whether you like the legislation or not, whether the GOP repeals it or not (they won't), that won't change the fact that for the first time in U.S. history, an American president was able to lead the enactment of guaranteed access to health care for all Americans as a fundamental right of citizenship. Second: his leadership in digging the country out of an economic Great Recession comparable to the Great Depression faced by FDR. Obama must share credit not only w/ the Democratic-controlled Congress for enacting the $700+ billion stimulus bill, but also, w/ Republicans & W. for maintaining liquidity for avg. Americans (i.e., access to their bank accounts & restoration of credit) through unpopular subsidies to banks to avoid massive bankruptcies in the banking industry. 3rd & certainly the one fact that all future historians will note is the fact that he helped mitigate America's moral stain of slavery & Jim Crow by his historic election as the nation's 1st African American president.
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« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2017, 08:53:53 AM »

Has there even been a point to politics post-Nixon?

Politics is CERTAINLY much more interesting pre-Nixon.
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« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2017, 09:23:58 AM »

Donald Trump by far.

Very positive:
1.) Barack Obama
2.) Gerald Ford

Meh:
3.) Bill Clinton
4.) Jimmy Carter

5.) Poppy Bush

Poor:
6.) The Gipper
7.) Dubya


Disgusting:
8.) The Donald
Dude Dubya caused thousands of people to die. Do Iraqi lives matter less than yours or something?
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« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2017, 09:47:43 AM »

Obama
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« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2017, 11:10:26 AM »

Dude Dubya caused thousands of people to die. Do Iraqi lives matter less than yours or something?

Yes? It's Atlas, what do you expect from this forum?

True, there were no Iraqis being killed before we intervened.
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« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2017, 12:33:10 PM »

Dude Dubya caused thousands of people to die. Do Iraqi lives matter less than yours or something?

Yes? It's Atlas, what do you expect from this forum?

True, there were no Iraqis being killed before we intervened.


And blaming bush for all the Iraqi who died is totally wrong
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« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2017, 02:07:57 PM »

Personally:
WORST
Bill Clinton

Donald Trump

Barack Obama
Ronald Reagan
George W. Bush

George H. W. Bush
Jimmy Carter
Gerald Ford
BEST

Ideologically:
WORST
Donald Trump
Barack Obama
Ronald Reagan
George W. Bush

Jimmy Carter

George H. W. Bush
Bill Clinton
Gerald Ford
BEST

Carter was undoubtedly the worst at governing, and Bill Clinton was probably the best at governing.
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« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2017, 03:28:07 AM »

Dude Dubya caused thousands of people to die. Do Iraqi lives matter less than yours or something?

Yes? It's Atlas, what do you expect from this forum?

True, there were no Iraqis being killed before we intervened.


And blaming bush for all the Iraqi who died is totally wrong

Bush is to be blamed for having no post-war strategy. But going into Iraq was a mistake, although Saddam was a brutal dictator. But blaming him alone for all Iraqi deaths is unjustified.

At least Dubya did not question the democratic system as Trump does and he was way better informed than The Donald, who has no clue of any political issue.
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« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2017, 03:31:28 AM »

From worst to best:

Bad:
Trump
Carter
Dubya

Meh:
Obama
Ford

Good:
George H.W. Bush
Bill Clinton

Great:
Ronald Reagan
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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2017, 09:11:13 PM »

Reagan. I feel that he set the country and the world in the wrong direction. Reaganomics, theocratic politics, war on drugs, police brutality all started with him.
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« Reply #62 on: August 19, 2017, 11:31:53 AM »

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« Reply #63 on: August 19, 2017, 02:11:46 PM »

By what he did Dubya is the worst
By how he is as a person Trump.
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« Reply #64 on: August 19, 2017, 03:33:17 PM »

Obviously the current occupant of the White House.
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« Reply #65 on: August 19, 2017, 05:23:35 PM »

Worst to Best on a Personal Level:

Trump
Clinton
Reagan
Dubya
Obama
HW Bush
Carter
Ford

Worst to Best on Foreign Policy (Trump not included)Sad

Dubya
Obama
Ford
Carter
Reagan (Only for the Summit Meetings with Gorbachev)
Clinton
HW Bush

Worst to Best on Domestic Policy (Trump not Included)Sad

Reagan
Dubya
Carter
Ford
Clinton
HW Bush

Obama

Purple=Tied

Worst to Best on How well they worked with Congress (Trump Not Included)Sad

Obama
Carter
Ford
HW Bush
Dubya
Clinton
Reagan

Worst to Best on How Well they persuaded the Public:

Ford
Carter
HW Bush
Dubya
Obama
Clinton
Reagan

My Rankings show Reagan to be a very effective President the most effective of all the Presidents since 1974, but outside of Foreign Policy, I don't think he was effective in a good way, so on the whole I think he was a bad President. Not Including the Donald, Dubya was the worst,  but because we are, than Trump, thus far, holds the title as my least favorite President Post Nixon.


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« Reply #66 on: August 19, 2017, 05:36:32 PM »

President Obama....his foreign policy was downright dangerous and irresponsible and he did nothing to better the economy except prop up big business and fail with a stimulus....also, Obamacare is a disaster. Not to mention, he lied straight faced to us constantly.
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« Reply #67 on: August 19, 2017, 08:01:40 PM »

Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump
Last year he was the worst presidential candidate I had ever seen, campaigning so badly it was as if he wanted to lose rather than he wanted to win.
Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump
This year he is governing in a manner displaying complete incompetence.
Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump
I'm saying this as an assessment of his general qualities as a politician and leader, not in terms of my assessment of the one thing about presidencies that is more important to me than anything else. Is Neil Gorsuch any worse of a Supreme Court Justice than the others who have been appointed by presidents since Richard Nixon? No. Gorsuch is likely going to be just as mediocre as the rest of the appointees by Ford, Reagan, both Bushes, Clinton, and Obama. If there is another Supreme Court vacancy in the next three years, then Trump will probably appoint another mediocrity. I want -- BADLY -- to see a President get elected who will appoint to the US Supreme Court only the most highly objective interpreters of law that can be found anywhere in this country; we need people like Oliver Wendell Holmes, Learned Hand, Benjamin Cardozo, and Hugo Black to be appointed, and so far I have no reason to think Neil Gorsuch will turn out to be anything like them. Nor will anyone else that Trump might appoint. In this regard, Trump is NOT worse than the other Presidents of the last several decades.

But in terms of the kinds of other qualities that many people often look for in our US Presidents, Trump is the worst.
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« Reply #68 on: August 19, 2017, 08:05:35 PM »

Worst to Best on Foreign Policy (Trump not included)Sad

Dubya
Obama
Ford
Carter
Reagan (Only for the Summit Meetings with Gorbachev)
Clinton
HW Bush

It seems weird to dislike the foreign policy of both Dubya and Obama while liking the foreign policy of both Clinton and HW Bush. Care to elaborate?
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« Reply #69 on: August 19, 2017, 08:45:37 PM »

HW Bush handled the Gulf War masterfully and had justification to go into it. I can't say the same about Dubya and the 2003 invasion of Iraq and while I can say Afghanistan was justified, it was handled poorly and went on too long, this is a strike against Obama as well. Obama also has Libya against him as well.  HW Bush kept a level head during the fall of the Berlin Wall rather than gloat, and he also showed good leadership during the end of the Cold War and the reunification of Germany.

Both HW and Clinton left the Presidency with the world more stable and Country more respected around the world. I can't say the Same about Dubya and Obama.

Clinton had a rough first year in office, but after that he found his footing. Bosnia and Kosovo were handled well (even if Clinton was reluctant to go in) and Clinton deserves some credit for the Irish peace process. Not to mention Clinton came closer than any President prior or since in making peace between Israel and Palestine. 

Outside of PEPFAR, Dubya was a failed President in Foreign Policy. I don't think much elaboration is needed here.

Obama's two big accomplishments in Foreign Policy accomplishments were  Bin Laden's death and normalizing relations with Cuba. Outside of that, he drew red lines, saw them repeatedly crossed and did nothing. Either respond or don't draw the redlines in the first place. I also question the long term success of the Iran Deal.

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« Reply #70 on: August 19, 2017, 09:16:59 PM »
« Edited: August 19, 2017, 09:19:18 PM by Angry Socdem »

I voted Dubya, but now I have second thoughts, and really think it's Reagan. He was the one who pushed all of these destructive conservative policies into the mainstream. He was the one who set the precedent that unions are bad, welfare is bad, regulation is bad, and an understanding of economics (y'know, not believing that tax cuts will lower the deficit) is bad. Every time I listen to that son-of-a-gun talk, a juxtaposition of a working-class man who struggles to make ends meet and Conrad Hilton telling people, "I will f***ing own anyone on this flight; they are f***ing peasants" pops into my head.
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« Reply #71 on: August 19, 2017, 10:01:20 PM »

H.W. I think it is still too early to judge on Trump. But he's catching up.
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« Reply #72 on: August 19, 2017, 10:03:37 PM »

H.W. I think it is still too early to judge on Trump. But he's catching up.

What would make Trump beat out HW, in your opinion?
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« Reply #73 on: August 19, 2017, 10:04:56 PM »

H.W. I think it is still too early to judge on Trump. But he's catching up.

What would make Trump beat out HW, in your opinion?
As in make him better or worse than HW?
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« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2017, 10:07:00 PM »

H.W. I think it is still too early to judge on Trump. But he's catching up.

What would make Trump beat out HW, in your opinion?
As in make him better or worse than HW?

Worse, since you already think he's better. Unless I'm misunderstanding your post?
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