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« on: May 11, 2017, 02:07:08 PM »





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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 02:22:33 PM »

Americans are overwhelmingly progressive when it comes to the actual issues.
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2017, 02:28:31 PM »

And yet the party with the most power in the country is the most socially conservative and right-wing major party in the Western world...
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2017, 02:29:51 PM »

The progress we've made on LGBT issues though Smiley

They should have included the legalization of prostitution. I'd be interested in seeing how that measured up to the other issues.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2017, 02:33:30 PM »

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Uhh I don't think so
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2017, 02:48:05 PM »

Oh no!  What's going on with "medical testing on animals"? Sad
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2017, 02:49:14 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2017, 02:53:10 PM by kyc0705 »

Most of these make sense, but I do have two comments:

1. I'm assuming "extramarital affairs" refers exclusively to cheating and not open relationships/marriages, or even what Dan Savage would call "monogamish."

2. I'm surprised at the acceptability rate of pornography being so low. Sure, it's hardly a pleasant subject, but consider its levels of its popularity online, permeance in society, and economic impact. I think there are a few hypocrites in this polling sample.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2017, 02:54:07 PM »

Oh no!  What's going on with "medical testing on animals"? Sad

People want their drugs and in the end they don't care if we kill some animals if they can get a boner.
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2017, 03:05:48 PM »

Oh no!  What's going on with "medical testing on animals"? Sad

People want their drugs and in the end they don't care if we kill some animals if they can get a boner.

I'm pretty sure it's moving in the opposite direction; as in the percentage of people who find the practice morally acceptable is declining.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2017, 03:29:45 PM »

It's been known for some time that most people don't vote based on the issues.
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2017, 04:11:00 PM »

Not surprising. And on most or all these issues the Millennials are taking the lead. They are much more liberal than GenX, and more involved as well, which I see as a good thing.
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2017, 04:20:24 PM »

And yet the party with the most power in the country is the most socially conservative and right-wing major party in the Western world...


That 30-40% are far more motivated to vote than the other 50-60%.  They feel like their "way of life"(ability to control others) are under threat while that other 50-60% are less motivated to vote.
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2017, 04:22:32 PM »

And yet the party with the most power in the country is the most socially conservative and right-wing major party in the Western world...


That 30-40% are far more motivated to vote than the other 50-60%.  They feel like their "way of life"(ability to control others) are under threat while that other 50-60% are less motivated to vote.

The 50-60% are plenty motivated to vote. Their votes just don't count as much.
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2017, 04:24:38 PM »

Right wing media figures like Rush Limbaugh always fear monger that "we" (good, wholesome, white Christian social conservatives) are "losing our country".  Little do they know that they've already lost it.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2017, 04:52:26 PM »

People are really that against porn?

Silly. Most of them watch it anyway.
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2017, 04:54:15 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2017, 04:59:48 PM by modern maverick »

There are some trends and numbers in here that are heartening, and some that are deeply troubling.

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1. I'm assuming "extramarital affairs" refers exclusively to cheating and not open relationships/marriages, or even what Dan Savage would call "monogamish."

Adultery is adultery is adultery. I would hope most Americans would agree, but I don't believe I have the luxury of being surprised if I'm wrong. And

2. I'm surprised at the acceptability rate of pornography being so low. Sure, it's hardly a pleasant subject, but consider its levels of its popularity online, permeance in society, and economic impact. I think there are a few hypocrites in this polling sample.

As I'm pretty sure I've said before about this exact subject, believing that you have a habit that is morally wrong is not ipso facto hypocritical.
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2017, 05:08:36 PM »

Wow. Gay/Lesbian relations get one point higher approval than having kids out of marriage?
In terms of the Supreme Court's case law on the topics handled under the Equal Protection Clause, I see a lot of similarity between those two -- being gay and being born outside of wedlock. Prof. Lawrence Lessig saw a similarity too; see his Fordham Law Review article published about 20 years ago.
Once the Supreme Court swept majority sentiment about the immorality of illegitimate childbirth under the rug, it was inevitable that the Court would eventually do the same to majority sentment about the immorality of homosexual relationships.
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2017, 05:25:05 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2017, 05:27:28 PM by Frodo »

And yet there is still progress to be made:





This You-Gov poll is still relatively recent, and I can't imagine much will have changed in the last two years since this poll was taken.  

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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2017, 06:15:13 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2017, 06:17:00 PM by kyc0705 »

Adultery is adultery is adultery. I would hope most Americans would agree, but I don't believe I have the luxury of being surprised if I'm wrong.

Considering the social-libertarian leanings that this poll suggests, I have a feeling that you would get different results if you asked about consenting adults in a relationship having sex with other people if they have the explicit permission of their partner. I don't know if the approval rate would be very high, but it would probably be higher than 9%.

As I'm pretty sure I've said before about this exact subject, believing that you have a habit that is morally wrong is not ipso facto hypocritical.

Agreed, but I'm not sure if there are THAT many people who consume pornography and feel totally disgusted by it. You can dislike it on principle, but I would be surprised if all of those people would use terms as strong as "morally unacceptable."
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2017, 06:47:47 PM »

Oh no!  What's going on with "medical testing on animals"? Sad

People want their drugs and in the end they don't care if we kill some animals if they can get a boner.

I'm pretty sure it's moving in the opposite direction; as in the percentage of people who find the practice morally acceptable is declining.

Yes, exactly.  As a scientist, I'm concerned by that.  I don't do animal research myself, but I have many friends and colleagues around me who do.  I think what they do is important and necessary.  I suppose this is just another symptom of Americans having less trust in just about every "institution", including science, but it's scary to me to imagine a world without any animal research, and the rise of attitudes like MasterJedi suggests that that's one direction things might be shifting towards.
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2017, 07:02:17 PM »

Medical testing on animals is still too high but moving in the right direction.
The 9% that thinks adultery is okay must be the same 9% that approvrd the job congress is doing or basically just say yes to everything.

I also find is distutbing more people say abortion is okay than porn. Not that porn is really moral buy seriously how can someone say abortion is okay and porn is not? Odd. This is not about legality but moral acceptance. People are strange.
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2017, 07:44:46 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2017, 07:49:04 PM by modern maverick »

Adultery is adultery is adultery. I would hope most Americans would agree, but I don't believe I have the luxury of being surprised if I'm wrong.

Considering the social-libertarian leanings that this poll suggests, I have a feeling that you would get different results if you asked about consenting adults in a relationship having sex with other people if they have the explicit permission of their partner. I don't know if the approval rate would be very high, but it would probably be higher than 9%.

You probably would, yeah. Honestly, I kind of wonder how much that would differ based on whether or not the question was worded to include the phrase "consenting adults", which has started to strike me as something akin to the "it's my First Amendment right!" of sexual morality in terms of "what I'm doing isn't a serious felony, therefore nobody can criticize me"-ism.

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Agreed, but I'm not sure if there are THAT many people who consume pornography and feel totally disgusted by it. You can dislike it on principle, but I would be surprised if all of those people would use terms as strong as "morally unacceptable."
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You're definitely right that there's some hypocrisy going on here, but I know enough people who genuinely are disgusted with themselves for watching porn that I tend to assume at least slightly better of the public (on this particular question).
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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2017, 07:52:29 PM »

Americans talk liberal but vote conservative.
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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2017, 07:56:13 PM »

Good news. Even pornography approval increasing, which would be not that great in a vacuum, is a sign of the weakening of many unfortunate social norms when combined with the rest of the data.

Adultery is adultery is adultery. I would hope most Americans would agree, but I don't believe I have the luxury of being surprised if I'm wrong.

Considering the social-libertarian leanings that this poll suggests, I have a feeling that you would get different results if you asked about consenting adults in a relationship having sex with other people if they have the explicit permission of their partner. I don't know if the approval rate would be very high, but it would probably be higher than 9%.

You probably would, yeah. Honestly, I kind of wonder how much that would differ based on whether or not the question was worded to include the phrase "consenting adults", which has started to strike me as something akin to the "it's my First Amendment right!" of sexual morality in terms of "what I'm doing isn't a serious felony, therefore nobody can criticize me"-ism.

Of course, "It's my first amendment right" is usually a defense for things that actually hurt people/a poor attempt at avoiding criticism, whereas "consenting adults" is a defense against arguments that typically boil down to "it's icky" in less childish sounding language.
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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2017, 08:02:55 PM »

Polygamy at 17% and hitting new highs, unbelievable.
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