Election night, six months later

[Devout Centrist]

This thread seems to be all about hatred for Trump voters and thoughts that we are all going to die.

I never said any of this when Obama won.

Obama didn't go on tape admitting to sexual assault or at the very least, thinking little of women.

At the end of the day, you decided those words were defensible and it's utterly shocking that anyone would be willing to defend what he said. You share those values as a result.

Do you now support all the words Hillary spoke ten or twenty or thirty years ago?

Not necessarily, but if an audio recording of her saying she sexually assaulted men or used derogatory terms to describe men came out, I would have voted for Johnson.

What about her blatant threat to the women Bill Clinton sexually assaulted?

"I think we're going to find some other things. And I think that when all of this is put into context, and we really look at the people involved here, look at their motivations and look at their backgrounds, look at their past behavior, some folks are going to have a lot to answer for." - Hillary Clinton

"It was a lapse, but she says to his credit he tried to break it off, tried to pull away, tried to manage someone who was clearly a 'narcissistic loony toon;' but it was beyond control." - Diane Blair

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/


To vote for the Clintons because of Trump's alleged record on sexual assault is lunacy, plain and simple.

You deliberately misinterpreted what I said. I don't know how that's possible when I never even suggested voting for Clinton; I suggested voting for McMullin.

As for whether Hillary Clinton is an enabler of sexual assault, I hardly think that's a fair characterization of what happened. Regardless, she did not ever suggest sexually assaulting men.

Why you chose to deliberately ignore what I wrote and argue that I suggested voting for Hillary Clinton because of Donald Trump's words on sexual assault is beyond me. I never did that and I suggest you reread what I wrote. It's indefensible to claim you support Donald Trump while also condemning his words about women. There were other conservative candidates in this race that had strong platforms. It's wrong to say otherwise.

[Thunderbird is the word]

Clinton (Clinton supporter) I'd been worried in late September briefly prior to the first debate and again for a few days in the wake of the Comey revelations but on election day itself I was confident. I'm registered to vote in upstate New York at my parents house partly because I wanted to vote for Zephyr Teachout and was planning to head back down to the city for an election night party. Around 6 or so I changed my mind and decided to relax and watch the returns at home which in retrospect i'm glad about because I was so devastated and barely able to get out of bed the next few days thinking that we were on the verge of the fourth reich that I hate to think what would have happened to me had I been back in the city alone. The funny thing is i'd despised Hillary up until late September having been a huge Bernie supporter until the fear of Trump became palpable enough for me to come around.

[catographer]

Accusing Hillary of enabling her husband's affairs is one of the most sexist attacks I've seen on Clinton. Blaming a woman for the infidelity of her husband, smh.

[Arbitrage1980]

I was at the Trump election night party at the Hilton Hotel in NYC. That day, I was convinced that Hillary would win decisively. I got to the party at 7 PM, which at that point felt more like a funeral than a party. People were gloomy; no one thought Trump was going to win. It was an amazing night, the night that we saved America from Barry Hussein Obama's 3rd term, open borders, radical Islamic invasion, higher taxes, extensive regulations, liberal judges, and Hillary's corruption.

[Illini Moderate]

I was at the Trump election night party at the Hilton Hotel in NYC. That day, I was convinced that Hillary would win decisively. I got to the party at 7 PM, which at that point felt more like a funeral than a party. People were gloomy; no one thought Trump was going to win. It was an amazing night, the night that we saved America from Barry Hussein Obama's 3rd term, open borders, radical Islamic invasion, higher taxes, extensive regulations, liberal judges, and Hillary's corruption.

Yes now you just have Trump's even larger corruption problem

[Santander]

IA, OH, FL, PA and WI in that order.

I already called it a year ago. Unlike most Atlas users, I actually know and interact with real people who love God (but don't necessarily go to church every week), football (but not necessarily the NFL after Kaepernick), freedom, guns, trucks, country music, and proudly do real work feeding America or making tangible goods that improve our quality of life. Good people who live in places like Kenosha or Lima.

Michigan was a pleasant surprise, but I was confident our movement would win. Even then, it was a surreal evening and it took time for it to sink in. Sort of like the last scene of The Graduate.

[Arbitrage1980]

IA, OH, FL, PA and WI in that order.

I already called it a year ago. Unlike most Atlas users, I actually know and interact with real people who love God (but don't necessarily go to church every week), football (but not necessarily the NFL after Kaepernick), freedom, guns, trucks, country music, and proudly do real work feeding America or making tangible goods that improve our quality of life. Good people who live in places like Kenosha or Lima.

Michigan was a pleasant surprise, but I was confident our movement would win. Even then, it was a surreal evening and it took time for it to sink in. Sort of like the last scene of The Graduate.

You are pretty insightful if you called it a year ago. I did not think he was going to win at any point during the campaign, hence my shock and delight. The fact that we kept the Senate was also stunning.

On paper, I should be a hardcore Democrat: minority, atheist, Ivy League educated, worked in finance and now tech, live in a big blue city. But the Democrats really lost me during Obama's presidency by pursuing terrible policies and tripling down on identity politics. They are no longer the centrist party of Bill Clinton but now the party of open borders, illegal aliens, radical Islam, weakness abroad, and socialist economic policies.

[PresidentSamTilden]

Clinton_Clinton, thought she would get 300+. I knew Trump had a shot on some level for most of the campaign, but I didn't believe it by the end. Wish I had though, election night was devastating.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I was convinced Clinton would win, though I wasn't necessarily ready to swear my life on it. Supported Johnson, and I don't regret it, as my state didn't decide the election.

[Hammy]

Voted for Clinton, had convinced myself she'd win (for my own sanity) but never really believed it, and my confidence was extremely low the entire election.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I thought we'd cut really close and lose after a recount in the tipping point state.

[JoshPA]

JEB! in a 50 state plus dc 100% landslide.

[SingingAnalyst]

Trump (Clinton supporter)

***

It was a chilly day that night. I walked out of the pizza bar onto the windy streets of Baltimore, thinking about the happenings that I saw on television. A lot of those who came with me – fellow members of our College Democrats club, with a smattering of others – also left, including the club president. They left mostly with feelings of annoyance, anger, and possibly even range. Why hasn’t Wisconsin turned blue yet? How the hell is Trump winning?

I left shaken. Not too shaken, only a bit, but still shaken. For I knew, in my gut, that it would be mere hours before the Apocalypse was upon us. For the past few months, my friends and I never thought that it would occur, whether because we assumed that the American people would never vote for someone with such base morals, or because we took for granted that the blue wall would hold.

No state was taken for granted as much as Pennsylvania was. Many friends who go to college there thought it was safe enough to vote absentee with their New Jersey addresses. I heard friends say that Pennsylvania would never go red. I heard friends say that it was a fake swing state. To be fair, who could blame them when rallies in Florida and North Carolina dominated the airways?

But that night, Pennsylvania became real. While walking down those windy streets of Baltimore, I still held up hope for Wisconsin and Michigan. Please go blue, I thought, please go blue. I know you two can. But Pennsylvania? It was still blue when I left on the TV. But in my heart, I knew it will turn red.

***

From the moment in Spanish class when my incredulous classmate said “Donald Trump is leading in the Republican primaries,” I feared the day that he would come. Every day I looked at FiveThirtyEight, eying their maps and eying their snake. Every week I contemplated whether my very existence, as a Chinese-American who immigrated here as a child and adopted its liberal values, would even be compatible in his worldview.

A week or so ago, I made a bet with some of the other College Dems. If Trump wins, they collectively owe me twenty-five dollars. In one sense, this would be a consolation prize; at least I would get something from an otherwise terrifying night. But on the other hand, it was my signal that I knew that a Clinton victory was far from assured.

Two, three days before that fateful night, I tossed and turned. What if Trump does win? Will I even be considered “American” anymore? Hell, what is the worst that could come, whether to me and my people or otherwise? Deportation? Internment? Genocide?

Part of me resisted. Trust me, Hillary will win! We will get a female president and those Trump supporters will learn a lesson! But as the night went on, I knew that I couldn’t assume that would be the case. I knew that I had to be ready for the worse.

What if it won’t be so bad? I thought. Even if Trump does win, what will he actually do to you? I thought some more before finally sleeping, before finally telling myself that, as Mary Poppins said, anything can happen.

***

From that night on, I made peace with the prospect of a Trump victory. Thus I was only a bit shaken as I walked back to my college dormitory. As I walked in, though, I saw rooms filled with college students huddled around Macbooks and smartphones, anxiously awaiting the electoral returns. Clearly, they had not made peace.

I walked up the stairs to put my stuff down. On the way, I heard two of my floormates storm up the stairwell in utter fear. “Oh my god, oh my god, my god,” one of them said, her mousy-brown hair shaking with the rest of her body. Her fears were not unfounded, as she is bisexual. How would she survive in a world where Mike Pence, promoter of conversion therapy and homophobe extraordinaire, is the vice president?

I looked at her roommate. Months later, I would learn that she voted for Trump, fearful of whatever horrors a Clinton presidency might portend. Maybe; to this day I’m still not sure. But at that moment, she too had fear in her eyes, as much as the rest of us. Perhaps she was fearful of the horrors that she had helped unleash. Perhaps she would be fearful no matter who won. But there was fear in her eyes.

I put my stuff down in my room, threw my Hillary campaign poster at a wall, walked back down to the first floor and went into one of those packed rooms. I surveyed the small crowd of people just sitting there, medium-sized pods of anxiety just waiting to be burst. It was a diverse group – Indians, Hispanics, whites, all desiring to know the state of their future.

I looked at one of my friends. She was sitting there, in one of her usual blue dresses, stroking her dark black hair. She is, like me, an immigrant from China, though one who immigrated under much different circumstances – a girl who, long ago, was put up for adoption and was taken in by a loving family from Durham.

I sat down. “I’m sorry,” I said to her, knowing well that I was not responsible for the results from North Carolina.

“It’s okay,” she said. She feigned calmness in her words, but I saw anxiety in her eyes and worry in her tone. I see in her a young woman with much potential, but what would someone like Steve Bannon look in her? Perhaps just scum who ought to be deported lest they ruin civic society and replace it with someone else’s babies.

Knowing that, I embraced her in a hug. “It’s going to be okay,” I said, “it’s going to be okay.”

“I know,” she said in turn, not sure if she could say these two words truthfully.

Then one of the others in the room raised his head and lowered it again in resignation. “They just called Pennsylvania,” he said. “It’s over.”

***

I was back on third floor. By then, people were out in the hall discussing the ramifications of the inevitable. “Riots are happening in Pittsburg,” I overheard. “That’s why we call them cheese-eating mangeheads!” a student from Illinois said, referring to the now-red Wisconsinites.

I ignored those conversations. I headed straight for the door and knocked. Slowly, my friend came out, her eyes red from the tears that stream down her check, her soggy her tie-dye shirt providing a stark contrast to the atmosphere of the moment.

“It’s happened,” she stammered, her words barely coherent through her sobbing. “It’s…happened.”

Throughout the summer, I occasionally told her the need to plan for a Trump victory. “It won’t happen,” she always replied. Then again, it didn’t help that at that time I, like most others, treated a Trump victory as something that would never happen. “We need to move to Canada” is not exactly a serious solution for serious people. Even so, part of me did feel the joy of schadenfreude in seeing her insistent predictions be knocked down spectacularly.

But I knew that this was not the time for schadenfreude. This was a time for sorrow. One of the bravest, most confident people I know had been reduced to a pile of tears. And for good reason. As a Pakistani-American and a practicing Muslim, she had much to fear. She would have to live under a President who called for the complete and total shutdown of Muslims coming into America. She would have to contemplate registering in a database of Muslims, not unlike what the Jews had to do under the Germany of Hitler.

So as before, I hugged her. “It’s going to be okay,” I said once again, my shoulder touching against the dampness of her tears. “It’s going to be okay.”

***

I walked back in front of my room, where my roommates were huddling around their Macbooks. Some of them were doing Calculus II homework. I sat. I saw on the screens: “Donald J. Trump Elected President.” I saw Trump himself ascend the podium, calling for the unity of Americans at a time when there was anything but.

“Come here,” one of my friends said. A white male with an imposing 6’4” frame, one would think that we would be privileged under a Trump presidency. Yet he too was not pleased at tonight’s happenings. How would he enjoy any newfound gains, after all, if all of his friends must suffer from their newfound oppression?

On his screen was Van Jones, also in tears, trying to explain the night to the other talking heads. “It was a whitelash,” he said.

We all tried to comprehend his words.

“This is a whitelash.”

And we knew what he said.

After a while I went back to bed. But I did not sleep. From time to time I checked my social media, a furious mix of news articles and desperate pleas, pleas from friends experiencing shock and horror when they expected elation. Nobody had expected the Apocalypse to come this day, and few had elected to make inner peace beforehand.

At least I did. So I laid in bed, eyes wide open, knowing that me and my friends will have to face a brave new world. Perhaps everything will be okay. Perhaps not.

Many friends of mine expressed anger, disgust, sadness, and fear over the outcome. A friend of mine who is a nurse said patients and coworkers were in tears as they came into the hospital.

[Arbitrage1980]

Trump (Clinton supporter)

***

It was a chilly day that night. I walked out of the pizza bar onto the windy streets of Baltimore, thinking about the happenings that I saw on television. A lot of those who came with me – fellow members of our College Democrats club, with a smattering of others – also left, including the club president. They left mostly with feelings of annoyance, anger, and possibly even range. Why hasn’t Wisconsin turned blue yet? How the hell is Trump winning?

I left shaken. Not too shaken, only a bit, but still shaken. For I knew, in my gut, that it would be mere hours before the Apocalypse was upon us. For the past few months, my friends and I never thought that it would occur, whether because we assumed that the American people would never vote for someone with such base morals, or because we took for granted that the blue wall would hold.

No state was taken for granted as much as Pennsylvania was. Many friends who go to college there thought it was safe enough to vote absentee with their New Jersey addresses. I heard friends say that Pennsylvania would never go red. I heard friends say that it was a fake swing state. To be fair, who could blame them when rallies in Florida and North Carolina dominated the airways?

But that night, Pennsylvania became real. While walking down those windy streets of Baltimore, I still held up hope for Wisconsin and Michigan. Please go blue, I thought, please go blue. I know you two can. But Pennsylvania? It was still blue when I left on the TV. But in my heart, I knew it will turn red.

***

From the moment in Spanish class when my incredulous classmate said “Donald Trump is leading in the Republican primaries,” I feared the day that he would come. Every day I looked at FiveThirtyEight, eying their maps and eying their snake. Every week I contemplated whether my very existence, as a Chinese-American who immigrated here as a child and adopted its liberal values, would even be compatible in his worldview.

A week or so ago, I made a bet with some of the other College Dems. If Trump wins, they collectively owe me twenty-five dollars. In one sense, this would be a consolation prize; at least I would get something from an otherwise terrifying night. But on the other hand, it was my signal that I knew that a Clinton victory was far from assured.

Two, three days before that fateful night, I tossed and turned. What if Trump does win? Will I even be considered “American” anymore? Hell, what is the worst that could come, whether to me and my people or otherwise? Deportation? Internment? Genocide?

Part of me resisted. Trust me, Hillary will win! We will get a female president and those Trump supporters will learn a lesson! But as the night went on, I knew that I couldn’t assume that would be the case. I knew that I had to be ready for the worse.

What if it won’t be so bad? I thought. Even if Trump does win, what will he actually do to you? I thought some more before finally sleeping, before finally telling myself that, as Mary Poppins said, anything can happen.

***

From that night on, I made peace with the prospect of a Trump victory. Thus I was only a bit shaken as I walked back to my college dormitory. As I walked in, though, I saw rooms filled with college students huddled around Macbooks and smartphones, anxiously awaiting the electoral returns. Clearly, they had not made peace.

I walked up the stairs to put my stuff down. On the way, I heard two of my floormates storm up the stairwell in utter fear. “Oh my god, oh my god, my god,” one of them said, her mousy-brown hair shaking with the rest of her body. Her fears were not unfounded, as she is bisexual. How would she survive in a world where Mike Pence, promoter of conversion therapy and homophobe extraordinaire, is the vice president?

I looked at her roommate. Months later, I would learn that she voted for Trump, fearful of whatever horrors a Clinton presidency might portend. Maybe; to this day I’m still not sure. But at that moment, she too had fear in her eyes, as much as the rest of us. Perhaps she was fearful of the horrors that she had helped unleash. Perhaps she would be fearful no matter who won. But there was fear in her eyes.

I put my stuff down in my room, threw my Hillary campaign poster at a wall, walked back down to the first floor and went into one of those packed rooms. I surveyed the small crowd of people just sitting there, medium-sized pods of anxiety just waiting to be burst. It was a diverse group – Indians, Hispanics, whites, all desiring to know the state of their future.

I looked at one of my friends. She was sitting there, in one of her usual blue dresses, stroking her dark black hair. She is, like me, an immigrant from China, though one who immigrated under much different circumstances – a girl who, long ago, was put up for adoption and was taken in by a loving family from Durham.

I sat down. “I’m sorry,” I said to her, knowing well that I was not responsible for the results from North Carolina.

“It’s okay,” she said. She feigned calmness in her words, but I saw anxiety in her eyes and worry in her tone. I see in her a young woman with much potential, but what would someone like Steve Bannon look in her? Perhaps just scum who ought to be deported lest they ruin civic society and replace it with someone else’s babies.

Knowing that, I embraced her in a hug. “It’s going to be okay,” I said, “it’s going to be okay.”

“I know,” she said in turn, not sure if she could say these two words truthfully.

Then one of the others in the room raised his head and lowered it again in resignation. “They just called Pennsylvania,” he said. “It’s over.”

***

I was back on third floor. By then, people were out in the hall discussing the ramifications of the inevitable. “Riots are happening in Pittsburg,” I overheard. “That’s why we call them cheese-eating mangeheads!” a student from Illinois said, referring to the now-red Wisconsinites.

I ignored those conversations. I headed straight for the door and knocked. Slowly, my friend came out, her eyes red from the tears that stream down her check, her soggy her tie-dye shirt providing a stark contrast to the atmosphere of the moment.

“It’s happened,” she stammered, her words barely coherent through her sobbing. “It’s…happened.”

Throughout the summer, I occasionally told her the need to plan for a Trump victory. “It won’t happen,” she always replied. Then again, it didn’t help that at that time I, like most others, treated a Trump victory as something that would never happen. “We need to move to Canada” is not exactly a serious solution for serious people. Even so, part of me did feel the joy of schadenfreude in seeing her insistent predictions be knocked down spectacularly.

But I knew that this was not the time for schadenfreude. This was a time for sorrow. One of the bravest, most confident people I know had been reduced to a pile of tears. And for good reason. As a Pakistani-American and a practicing Muslim, she had much to fear. She would have to live under a President who called for the complete and total shutdown of Muslims coming into America. She would have to contemplate registering in a database of Muslims, not unlike what the Jews had to do under the Germany of Hitler.

So as before, I hugged her. “It’s going to be okay,” I said once again, my shoulder touching against the dampness of her tears. “It’s going to be okay.”

***

I walked back in front of my room, where my roommates were huddling around their Macbooks. Some of them were doing Calculus II homework. I sat. I saw on the screens: “Donald J. Trump Elected President.” I saw Trump himself ascend the podium, calling for the unity of Americans at a time when there was anything but.

“Come here,” one of my friends said. A white male with an imposing 6’4” frame, one would think that we would be privileged under a Trump presidency. Yet he too was not pleased at tonight’s happenings. How would he enjoy any newfound gains, after all, if all of his friends must suffer from their newfound oppression?

On his screen was Van Jones, also in tears, trying to explain the night to the other talking heads. “It was a whitelash,” he said.

We all tried to comprehend his words.

“This is a whitelash.”

And we knew what he said.

After a while I went back to bed. But I did not sleep. From time to time I checked my social media, a furious mix of news articles and desperate pleas, pleas from friends experiencing shock and horror when they expected elation. Nobody had expected the Apocalypse to come this day, and few had elected to make inner peace beforehand.

At least I did. So I laid in bed, eyes wide open, knowing that me and my friends will have to face a brave new world. Perhaps everything will be okay. Perhaps not.

Many friends of mine expressed anger, disgust, sadness, and fear over the outcome. A friend of mine who is a nurse said patients and coworkers were in tears as they came into the hospital.

These are college kids, so it's natural for them to be hysterical. But let's get real. What exactly has Trump done to endanger law abiding American minorities and gays? Has he put them in internment camps? Has he deported U.S. citizens and legal residents of color? Has he tried to ban gay marriage? It's fine to disagree with his policies, but engaging in Hitler hysteria as if the Republic is ending, is immature and divorced from reality.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

I was so. So. Angry.

I was (as was evident on this board) an extremely reluctant Clinton supporter, who was deeply convinced that she would lose in like, May. As the summer wore on and changed to fall, I had been gradually convinced that she had this in hand via the persuasive data, the "power" of her field operations (turns out that was a paper f[inks]ing tiger), and the sheer blithering nonsense that Trump was putting forward that she had this.

I had at once a sort of rareified and at the same time constricted view - I was in a county party's boiler room in Indiana. So we were worried more about John Gregg and Glenda Ritz than HRC, but as the night turned into a long, slow bloodbath for the state party and the mood turned apocalyptically sour (a lot of cheap vodka, a lot of silence, punctuated by loud jokes about being unemployed), that was roughly when Florida came in, and Wolf Blitzer came on the TV and told us in his oh-so-breathless way that WI was too close to call and leaning red.

I just remember thinking that, minus the joke states like CA and NY, this was the exact, f[inks]ing map that Trump had leaked at the beginning of the campaign.

I had to leave to go home to Chicago around 1am, and I was walking out with the friend who had brought me down to do GOTV work. The election was still to be called, but at that point we pretty much knew Trump had it. There were three homeless folks trying to get some sleep in the elevator bay of the parking garage. We wished them a safe night, and wondered how exactly America was Already Great. 

I was just so angry. At the Clinton campaign for completely faceplanting, at the conservative Democratic chairs and operatives who had lifted her up in the primary who would then be hurt so much by her candidacy. At Clinton herself for believing so thoroughly that it was 'her turn' that she didn't realize that she needed to believe anything else to convince the American people.

Because John Gregg could have been governor. Glenda Ritz could have been public schools commissioner. Jason Kander could have been Senator. But we decided, as a party, that our core values were milquetoast social liberalism and elitist professional, knowledge worker ethic. And this may not be 1980, we might not spend 10 years in the darkness. But to see progress turned back, deferred, crushed, nipped in the bud, by this bizarre zombie ideology of Silicon Valley and the 90s.

I'm still angry, and will likely be angry for a good long while.

[Unapologetic Chinaperson]

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Many friends of mine expressed anger, disgust, sadness, and fear over the outcome. A friend of mine who is a nurse said patients and coworkers were in tears as they came into the hospital.

These are college kids, so it's natural for them to be hysterical. But let's get real. What exactly has Trump done to endanger law abiding American minorities and gays? Has he put them in internment camps? Has he deported U.S. citizens and legal residents of color? Has he tried to ban gay marriage? It's fine to disagree with his policies, but engaging in Hitler hysteria as if the Republic is ending, is immature and divorced from reality.

Sure, he hasn't done any of that so far. But we only know this as a benefit of hindsight. Back then, we truly had no idea what would happen. Maybe he would ban all Muslims and put them in a database; these were his campaign promises. Given his authoritarian tendencies, internment camps and deportations didn't seem that far of a leap.

And indeed, what has happened so far? Yes, he hasn't banned all Muslims, but he twice - twice! - attempted to ban people from certain Muslim countries, regardless of whether they were terrorists or victims of terrorism. And the first time he did it, he did had the gall to ban green card holders. His Congress has attempted to remove take away or make unaffordable the insurance of 24 million people. He has slowly eroded American democratic institutions by his attacks on free press and his obstruction of justice (e.g. the firing of Comey). He threatens to keep warming our planet and ruin the clean air and water we've enjoyed for decades. I can go on; I'm sure others can name more of such acts.

Perhaps these acts don't blind you; perhaps you support these acts from the bottom of your heart. But for those who saw danger in him six months before, even if the absolute worst of our fears haven't come to pass, see no reason not see danger in him today.

[Devout Centrist]

This thread seems to be all about hatred for Trump voters and thoughts that we are all going to die.

I never said any of this when Obama won.

Obama didn't go on tape admitting to sexual assault or at the very least, thinking little of women.

At the end of the day, you decided those words were defensible and it's utterly shocking that anyone would be willing to defend what he said. You share those values as a result.

No, I don't.  They were disgusting.

But then why vote for him? Why not vote for McMullin/Finn or another conservative?

No response yet

[Arbitrage1980]

This thread seems to be all about hatred for Trump voters and thoughts that we are all going to die.

I never said any of this when Obama won.

Obama didn't go on tape admitting to sexual assault or at the very least, thinking little of women.

At the end of the day, you decided those words were defensible and it's utterly shocking that anyone would be willing to defend what he said. You share those values as a result.

No, I don't.  They were disgusting.

But then why vote for him? Why not vote for McMullin/Finn or another conservative?

No response yet

I'll respond to this, as I voted for Trump.

1. I have seen the Access Hollywood video and transcript a million times. What Trump said was vulgar, but I do not see an admission of sexual assault. Trump said that "when you're a star they LET you do anything, including grabbing them by the p*ssy." The key word is in caps. He was bragging to Billy Bush and was talking about how women apply a different standard to celebrity men. Do I condone the language? No. But there is a clear line between vulgar language and actual assault. Billy Bush was recently interviewed and said that if he really believed Trump assaulted a woman, he would have called the cops.

2. I'm a lifelong conservative Republican, and although I adamantly opposed Trump during the GOP primary and have a lot of issues with him, a Hillary presidency was unthinkable. The Democratic Party is too far left, and I disagreed with literally everything on her platform. I do agree with Trump on some key issues, and at the end of the day that was good enough for me. I'm voting for a President, not a saint, best friend, or role model.

[progressive85]

I knew it would be very close.  Once I saw Florida, I knew it was over.  If she lost that, then I knew that Latinos were not voting for her as high of a percentage as she needed.

I view the 2016 election has not a defining election for the country though.  The candidates were both unpopular and there was no ideological shift at all.  Before and after, the country remains very divided.

I am surprised at the jubilation of some conservatives over Trump's victory.  It will not go down in history as anything notable.  He was an unpopular figure before and he remains unpopular now.

[TheSaint250]

This thread seems to be all about hatred for Trump voters and thoughts that we are all going to die.

I never said any of this when Obama won.

Obama didn't go on tape admitting to sexual assault or at the very least, thinking little of women.

At the end of the day, you decided those words were defensible and it's utterly shocking that anyone would be willing to defend what he said. You share those values as a result.

No, I don't.  They were disgusting.

But then why vote for him? Why not vote for McMullin/Finn or another conservative?

No response yet

Sorry, I forgot about this thread.

I liked some of Trump's policies better than McMullin's (and McMullin pissed me off).  As Arbitrage said, he didn't admit to assault, he just said things that he should not have said.

[Skye]

I knew Hillary was in trouble when I read Michigan was too close to call. I remember Florida had been lost already, but I thought 'Well, that's within the realm of expected, so it shouldn't be too bad". Boy was I wrong.

[Devout Centrist]

This thread seems to be all about hatred for Trump voters and thoughts that we are all going to die.

I never said any of this when Obama won.

Obama didn't go on tape admitting to sexual assault or at the very least, thinking little of women.

At the end of the day, you decided those words were defensible and it's utterly shocking that anyone would be willing to defend what he said. You share those values as a result.

No, I don't.  They were disgusting.

But then why vote for him? Why not vote for McMullin/Finn or another conservative?

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Sorry, I forgot about this thread.

I liked some of Trump's policies better than McMullin's (and McMullin pissed me off).  As Arbitrage said, he didn't admit to assault, he just said things that he should not have said.

If he carried out the actions he described on tape, that's assault. It's rather pathetic you cared more about winning than making a principled stand.

[TheSaint250]

This thread seems to be all about hatred for Trump voters and thoughts that we are all going to die.

I never said any of this when Obama won.

Obama didn't go on tape admitting to sexual assault or at the very least, thinking little of women.

At the end of the day, you decided those words were defensible and it's utterly shocking that anyone would be willing to defend what he said. You share those values as a result.

No, I don't.  They were disgusting.

But then why vote for him? Why not vote for McMullin/Finn or another conservative?

No response yet

Sorry, I forgot about this thread.

I liked some of Trump's policies better than McMullin's (and McMullin pissed me off).  As Arbitrage said, he didn't admit to assault, he just said things that he should not have said.

If he carried out the actions he described on tape, that's assault. It's rather pathetic you cared more about winning than making a principled stand.

Again, IF. But so far, there is nothing that proves he actually assaulted someone.

[sg0508]

It was right around 9pm when Chuck Todd took a look at Florida and saw Trump ahead by >140K votes.  You could feel and see NBC's panel deflate at that moment and the rest is all she wrote.

I did think Trump would take FL though. However, I didn't think he had a prayer anywhere in the Democratic upper midwest.

[Arbitrage1980]

It was right around 9pm when Chuck Todd took a look at Florida and saw Trump ahead by >140K votes.  You could feel and see NBC's panel deflate at that moment and the rest is all she wrote.

I did think Trump would take FL though. However, I didn't think he had a prayer anywhere in the Democratic upper midwest.

I was at the Trump election night party in NYC, and when FL was called for Trump, the crowd went buckwild. From that moment on, people were on cloud nine. I personally thought Trump was going to lose FL by 1-2% due to his weakness with Latinos, and did not foresee the groundswell of support from rural and exurban areas.