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« on: May 14, 2017, 08:24:59 PM »
« edited: May 14, 2017, 08:31:59 PM by #TheShadowyAbyss »

I think as a whole they're HP. But their culture is amazing. I especially love the Pennsylvania Dutch language and hearing it in person it sounds beautiful. But I don't think they should integrate, I just feel sorry for them.
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 08:32:13 PM »

FF, should obviously be allowed to keep their culture (normal) but shouldn't be exempt from schooling requirements.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2017, 08:33:51 PM »

FF, should obviously be allowed to keep their culture (normal) but shouldn't be exempt from schooling requirements.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2017, 08:55:47 PM »

FF, should obviously be allowed to keep their culture (normal) but shouldn't be exempt from schooling requirements.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2017, 08:56:34 PM »

FFs, and shouldn't be forced to integrate. I think they should be allowed exemption from large portions of government-mandated education curriculum.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2017, 08:57:54 PM »

Proof that, even in a decadent and liberal culture such as the United States, there is some hope.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2017, 08:58:47 PM »

I have mad respect for them.  In some ways I'm even jealous.


Of course we shouldn't force them to integrate....maybe if they were regularly blowing up the "English" because of some stupid holy war only they were waging, but that doesn't seem likely.
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2017, 08:59:23 PM »

Usually when someone asks if people should be forced, I say no.
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2017, 09:00:28 PM »

They should learn that x+c is the anti-derivative of 1.
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2017, 09:42:16 PM »

FF, should obviously be allowed to keep their culture (normal) but shouldn't be exempt from schooling requirements.
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2017, 09:46:33 PM »

How is it ok to think that the Amish are HPs collectively "on the whole?" That sounds like bubble style bigotry to me.

Obviously FF. They have a rich culture that continues to add to the American cloth. I don't see what is not to like about the Amish?
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2017, 09:54:32 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2017, 10:02:17 PM »

No opinion on them as people, but of course they shouldn't be forced to "integrate".

There are plenty of stories about the Amish being bad people and covering up their indiscretions in order to keep tourism in Lancaster County booming, but that doesn't mean they should be stripped of their rights to practice whatever value system they please. I'm a little perplexed by the obsession surrounding them; they're fairly inoffensive except for when their god damn buggies clog the roads and opposing traffic won't stop to let cars on the other side of the road go so you have to just sit there and ing wait and by then you've gotten to a red light and it's like for Christ's sake I just want to get to my destination without all this nonsense just buy a god damn Prius I'm sure God won't judge you for it
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2017, 10:16:42 PM »

I've been to Lancaster County, PA a couple times, and it is a nice culture.  I strongly support religious freedom, which means that they should be allowed to act fully in accordance with their religion.  And, they make really good food too!
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2017, 10:36:18 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2017, 12:46:58 AM »

Not exempting them from schooling requirements means in practical effect forcing them to integrate and change their culture.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2017, 12:59:21 AM »

Not exempting them from schooling requirements means in practical effect forcing them to integrate and change their culture.

Hmm. I might want to reconsider my knowledge of the situation facing them, in that case.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2017, 01:33:20 AM »

Not exempting them from schooling requirements means in practical effect forcing them to integrate and change their culture.

Would two more years of schooling really have such a devastating cultural impact? I'm sorry but I have a hard time seeing it.
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2017, 06:00:01 AM »

The culture of "all non-WASP ethnic groups have to assimilate into American culture!" shouldn't still exist. Culture is important, especially such an interesting and unique culture as the Amish have.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2017, 12:31:39 PM »

They should be left alone and their Apple butter is delicious... I would feel sorry for a gay Amish person though.
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2017, 12:34:01 PM »

Usually when someone asks if people should be forced, I say no.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2017, 01:10:33 PM »

Not exempting them from schooling requirements means in practical effect forcing them to integrate and change their culture.

Would two more years of schooling really have such a devastating cultural impact? I'm sorry but I have a hard time seeing it.

What would the point of that be, unless they are required to administer standardized tests and follow the same curricula as public schools?

I think standardized tests are horrible and would probably significantly reform public school curricula if I had a chance, but otherwise yes, all children should be taught the same basic things regardless of where they are from. People who are afraid this will lead to a loss of culture underestimate the role of parents in socialization.
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2017, 01:55:33 PM »

Not exempting them from schooling requirements means in practical effect forcing them to integrate and change their culture.

Would two more years of schooling really have such a devastating cultural impact? I'm sorry but I have a hard time seeing it.

Would it really have the positive impact I'm guessing you're arguing it would?
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2017, 02:47:42 PM »

Given the structure of Amish school education an additional two or three years probably isn't going to 'expand' anything. Bear in mind as recently as my parents generation, finishing education at around 14 and then learning a trade/craft was common. Unless the Amish restructure their economy as we have done (which of course they won't) I can't see why it should be imposed on them.
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2017, 05:27:01 PM »

Not exempting them from schooling requirements means in practical effect forcing them to integrate and change their culture.

Would two more years of schooling really have such a devastating cultural impact? I'm sorry but I have a hard time seeing it.

Would it really have the positive impact I'm guessing you're arguing it would?

The Supreme court feels that the 2 extra years dont confer that great of a benefit.
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