WaPo: Trump revealed highly classified information to Russians

[SteveRogers]

Eh.. Yesterday they say that McMaster didn't not deny the story.
Not they are saying Trump denies McMasters's story.


Can you or anybody else specifically say what those contradictions are?

Trump said that he shared 'facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety.'

McMaster:
"The story that came out tonight as reported is false. The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation. At no time, at no time, were intelligence sources or methods discussed and the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known,"

So it is not the same?

Sure.

McMaster specifically said that, "The story that came out tonight was false." Now, as you correctly point out, what McMaster went on to specifically deny, the sharing of "sources and methods," was in fact NOT what the WP story accused Trump of. (The WP story simply accused Trump of sharing classified intelligence of the type of that would tend to compromise the source of the intel. Basically the allegation is that Trump blabbed the type of info that gets sources in the field killed). So yes, by carefully crafting his denial to only deny things not actually charged, McMasters was widely viewed as confirming the actual allegations contained in the story.

But Washington doublespeak aside, McMaster still went out and told the press the story was false. So of course this morning Trump sent out a tweet defending his decision to do exactly what the WP story alleged. So the story is true, and Trump admits it. That means McMaster lied when he said the story was false. Simple.

Now, the problem going forward is that in order to know how serious Trump's lapse in judgement was, we need to know what information was shared. And we can't know that because 1) it is highly classified, and 2) if the whole point is that Trump blabbed the kind of thing that gets assets killed, then the sources leaking this, and by extension, the press reporting this, can't leak too many more details without the critique of Trump being hypocritical and self-defeating.

[ApatheticAustrian]

the man is literally too stupid for a cover-up.

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The same question to you...

Can you, please, explain to me what is new (other than semantics) in Trump's tweet comparing to McMaster's/Tillerson's explanation?

easy.

mcmaster didn't comment on the news reports and read something which sounded like a denial for low-info voters.

trump officially confirmed the reports.

[Brittain33]

Guys, there's no point in defending McMaster's denial any more. Trump threw him under the bus on Twitter this morning and confessed to sharing the intelligence with Russia.

[Middle-aged Europe]

This whole affair only proves what we already knew... that Donald Trump has no self-control. And that makes him a liability.

[I Won - Get Over It]

Eh.. Yesterday they say that McMaster didn't not deny the story.
Not they are saying Trump denies McMasters's story.


Can you or anybody else specifically say what those contradictions are?

Trump said that he shared 'facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety.'

McMaster:
"The story that came out tonight as reported is false. The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation. At no time, at no time, were intelligence sources or methods discussed and the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known,"

So it is not the same?

Sure.

McMaster specifically said that, "The story that came out tonight was false." Now, as you correctly point out, what McMaster went on to specifically deny, the sharing of "sources and methods," was in fact NOT what the WP story accused Trump of. (The WP story simply accused Trump of sharing classified intelligence of the type of that would tend to compromise the source of the intel. Basically the allegation is that Trump blabbed the type of info that gets sources in the field killed). So yes, by carefully crafting his denial to only deny things not actually charged, McMasters was widely viewed as confirming the actual allegations contained in the story.

But Washington doublespeak aside, McMaster still went out and told the press the story was false. So of course this morning Trump sent out a tweet defending his decision to do exactly what the WP story alleged. So the story is true, and Trump admits it. That means McMaster lied when he said the story was false. Simple.

I still don't understand. Trump "admitted" what was already admitted by McMaster.

How is Trump's 'facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety' not technically the same as McMaster's 'The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation.'

But whatever. I can't explain better then I did.

[SteveRogers]

Eh.. Yesterday they say that McMaster didn't not deny the story.
Not they are saying Trump denies McMasters's story.


Can you or anybody else specifically say what those contradictions are?

Trump said that he shared 'facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety.'

McMaster:
"The story that came out tonight as reported is false. The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation. At no time, at no time, were intelligence sources or methods discussed and the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known,"

So it is not the same?

Sure.

McMaster specifically said that, "The story that came out tonight was false." Now, as you correctly point out, what McMaster went on to specifically deny, the sharing of "sources and methods," was in fact NOT what the WP story accused Trump of. (The WP story simply accused Trump of sharing classified intelligence of the type of that would tend to compromise the source of the intel. Basically the allegation is that Trump blabbed the type of info that gets sources in the field killed). So yes, by carefully crafting his denial to only deny things not actually charged, McMasters was widely viewed as confirming the actual allegations contained in the story.

But Washington doublespeak aside, McMaster still went out and told the press the story was false. So of course this morning Trump sent out a tweet defending his decision to do exactly what the WP story alleged. So the story is true, and Trump admits it. That means McMaster lied when he said the story was false. Simple.

I still don't understand. Trump "admitted" what was already admitted by McMaster.

How is Trump's 'facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety' not technically the same as McMaster's 'The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation.'

But whatever. I can't explain better then I did.

McMaster said the story was false.

[I Won - Get Over It]

Russian state media TASS is reporting that Trump leaked more stuff including US military operations:

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Sigh... Use google translate. The article literally says that it is what is claimed by WaPo. NOT by Russians.

[Devout Centrist]

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Well the fourth confirmed it, and he happens to be the President.

[Nyvin]

I have to somewhat admire the mental gymnastics the Trump supporters on here perform to defend him.

I mean really, it must get exhausting after a while with the amount of stupidity that Trump displays to the world.   You really need to stretch your imagination, get into flat denial, and really reach deep into the intellectual abyss to make Trump look good through all this.

[Thomas Jackson]

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Well the fourth confirmed it, and he happens to be the President.

Wrong. He said exactly what McMaster and Powell and Tillerson said. He shared facts regarding a common threat. He never revealed a source. He wants Russia to step up their campaign against ISIS. Considering that Russia is one of the few countries that has actually engaged ISIS militarily, it's a smart thing to do.

Do you really care if the next bomb that hits ISIS has Cyrillic script on it instead of the Latin alphabet?

Or is the real reason that the new leftist worship of Islam wants ISIS to succeed?

Do the leftists here actually want a Russian civilian airliner to go up in flames from a laptop bomb because they need a scapegoat for the Hillary!'s loss?

The leftist god FDR cooperated with Russia against a common enemy. Nothing wrong with doing that again against ISIS.

[Thomas Jackson]

Trump is a national security threat ...

Forwarding to the Secret Service and FBI.

[pbrower2a]

Well Israel's probably pissed now:

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When our usual best and most reliable ally in the Middle East considers our President untrustworthy, then we are in trouble.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Trump is a national security threat ...

Forwarding to the Secret Service and FBI.

That Trump is security threat? They already KNOW THAT, you do not need to tell them again.

[Thomas Jackson]

Well Israel's probably pissed now:

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When our usual best and most reliable ally in the Middle East considers our President untrustworthy, then we are in trouble.

Did you read? This doesn't say Israel is mad. It says that Obama holdovers in the deep state are deliberately engaging in an Intel war because their god is no longer President and they are actively trying to make the country less safe out of spite.

[Thomas Jackson]

Trump is a national security threat ...

Forwarding to the Secret Service and FBI.

That Trump is security threat? They already KNOW THAT, you do not need to tell them again.

That was an express threat. You know it.

[Devout Centrist]

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Well the fourth confirmed it, and he happens to be the President.

Wrong. He said exactly what McMaster and Powell and Tillerson said. He shared facts regarding a common threat. He never revealed a source. He wants Russia to step up their campaign against ISIS. Considering that Russia is one of the few countries that has actually engaged ISIS militarily, it's a smart thing to do.

Do you really care if the next bomb that hits ISIS has Cyrillic script on it instead of the Latin alphabet?

Or is the real reason that the new leftist worship of Islam wants ISIS to succeed?

Do the leftists here actually want a Russian civilian airliner to go up in flames from a laptop bomb because they need a scapegoat for the Hillary!'s loss?

The leftist god FDR cooperated with Russia against a common enemy. Nothing wrong with doing that again against ISIS.

Lol, okay buddy, deflect all you want. Not good!

[Middle-aged Europe]

Trump is a national security threat ...

Forwarding to the Secret Service and FBI.

That Trump is security threat? They already KNOW THAT, you do not need to tell them again.

That was an express threat. You know it.

[Sir Mohamed]

Horrible if true. But as far as I understand, it would be not illegal since the president as commander-in-chief is permitted to declassify secret information. Even if it’s politically very unprofessional and stupid. But I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Drumpf has proven several times that he has no competence and is in no ways up to the job.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Horrible if true. But as far as I understand, it would be not illegal since the president as commander-in-chief is permitted to declassify secret information. Even if it’s politically very unprofessional and stupid. But I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Drumpf has proven several times that he has no competence and is in no ways up to the job.

it is true as we learned this morning.

[Torie]

Horrible if true. But as far as I understand, it would be not illegal since the president as commander-in-chief is permitted to declassify secret information. Even if it’s politically very unprofessional and stupid. But I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Drumpf has proven several times that he has no competence and is in no ways up to the job.

It may be legal, but as Brittain33 noted, it certainly is potentially impeachable. I am not saying this incident deserves impeachment, but suppose, to posit an extreme hypothetical, Trump gave to N. Korea the US nuclear codes or something?  He'd be out the door in a hurry.

[Torie]

Hey guys, is there any way you can avoid quoting something that you know is wholly inappropriate, such as the comment that I deleted?  Just report it, as was done, and it will be dealt with. And issuing threats against anybody is a good way to get banned in a hurry. The subject poster had better not do what he did again. Thanks.

[Badger]

wonder how his cultists are gonna spin this lmbo

As I already wrote in the first topic

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https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=264309.msg5651226#msg5651226

glad you're admitting you're a cultist, i guess

[ApatheticAustrian]

McMaster:


"It is wholly appropriate for the president to share whatever information he thinks is necessary."
https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/864510381582155776

McMaster says Pres Trump conversation with Lavrov was "wholly appropriate" and consistent with routine sharing of information.
https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/864510200576978945

McMaster on which city Trump revealed: "It was nothing that you would not know from open source reporting as a source of concern."
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/864511105619685376


McMaster says he was in the room with the President and Russians and nobody felt the conversation was inappropriate. So who is WAPO leaker
https://twitter.com/adamhousley/status/864510303471452161


When did @realDonaldTrump decide to tell Russia about info? McMaster: "He made the decision in the context of the convo.” Off the cuff.
https://twitter.com/cam_joseph/status/864510491921612801

[Brittain33]

I truly wish McMaster didn't need to go out and defend this. He's someone we all want to be successful in his role and somehow make it work with Trump. There's no pleasure in seeing him Spicerize himself.

[ApatheticAustrian]

BREAKING: AP Source: CIA director to brief House intel committee Tuesday on Trump sharing classified information with Russians.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/864515180667039744

in other news

Trump will give a speech on Islam in Saudi Arabia, @AFP is reporting
https://twitter.com/sarahussein/status/864512116161744900