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EnglishPete
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« on: May 21, 2017, 05:34:07 AM »

Interesting exchange on twitter, lets see if anything some of this

Kim Dotcom‏Verified account
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If Congress includes #SethRich case into their Russia probe I'll give written testimony with evidence that Seth Rich was @Wikileaks source.

Sean Hannity‏Verified account
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Sean Hannity Retweeted Kim Dotcom
You have that evidence??

Kim Dotcom‏Verified account
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Kim Dotcom Retweeted Sean Hannity
I'm the evidence!!

Sean Hannity‏Verified account
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Sean Hannity Retweeted Kim Dotcom
You are the evidence?  Can you explain that in more detail?

Kim Dotcom‏Verified account
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Kim Dotcom Retweeted Sean Hannity
I knew Seth Rich. I know he was the @Wikileaks source. I was involved.

Kim Dotcom‏Verified account
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I'm meeting my legal team on Monday. I will issue a statement about #SethRich on Tuesday. Please be patient. This needs to be done properly

Kim Dotcom Retweeted
 Sean Hannity‏Verified account @seanhannity  15h15 hours ago
Sean Hannity Retweeted Kim Dotcom
Stay tuned. Public invitation Kim Dotcom to be a guest on radio and TV. #GameChanger  Buckle up destroy Trump media. Sheep that u all are!!!
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EnglishPete
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2017, 10:48:03 AM »

Pete this is really getting tasteless on your part
Not just Hannity. Newt was talking about this story this morning. Now there are two competing narratives about how the DNC emails came to be published on Wikileaks. One is that they were leaked by Seth Rich, the other is that the DNC servers were hacked by agents of the Russian government.

Now neither claim has been confirmed or refuted by the FBI. They have examined neither Seth Rich's laptop, not the DNC servers. Now we have a situation where the main narrative on the left and in left wing media is that Russia hacked the DNC whereas on the right and in right wing media the Russia story is considered unfounded and lacking in evidence whilst the late Seth Rich is considered a more likely culprit.

Now I don't subscribe the the Russia conspiracy theory myself but I wouldn't say it was wrong to discuss because it forms part of the left wing narrative and is therefore part of politics, even for those who are sceptical of the story.

Likewise the Seth Rich claims, whether you find them plausible or not are becoming part of the narrative of the right and are therefore part of politics whether you agree with them or not.

As for the matter of taste the issue of whether Rich was behind the leak is separate from the question of whether his death was linked to the leak. The two things may possibly turn out to be linked or they may very well not be. I have offered no speculation on that.
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EnglishPete
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2017, 10:49:53 AM »

There's a special place in hell for people like that that exploit people's deaths for partisan purposes.

You mean like Barack 'if I had a son' Obama?
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2017, 11:19:02 AM »
« Edited: May 29, 2017, 11:35:08 AM by Torie »

There's a special place in hell for people like that that exploit people's deaths for partisan purposes.

You mean like Barack 'if I had a son' Obama?

1. It's not Obama's fault that police brutality is a partisan issue.
2. ...

... . Democratic party politicians have long been engaging in 'Bonfire of the Vanities' style political grandstanding over various homicide and other criminal cases. The Trayvon Martin case was just one of the most prominent. You have nothing to say about that but react with sanctimonious  outrage if someone of the right so much as asks questions you don't like about a homicide or other criminal case.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2017, 11:45:15 AM »

So is anyone going to tell Pete the Seth Rich story was debunked?

I didn't know that. I knew that he 'Russia hacked the DNC' claims have been repeatedly debunked but I didn't know the 'Seth Rich leaked the e-mails' claims had been debunked. I knew that various people have claimed that the "Seth Rich was the leaker" hypothesis has been debunked but their basis for saying this is that DC police have said they've looked at his laptop and not found anything, as if that debunks anything.

If you could explain the arguments used in an actual debunking of the Seth Rich hypothesis then I'm all ears, lets hear it.
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EnglishPete
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2017, 11:49:27 AM »

Seriously how in gods name does the Russia story with all the evidence between Flynn, Manafort, Trump's own kids saying they have Russian ties

As for people having 'Russia ties' you know who else has Russia ties? The Clintons and John Podesta. The mere fact of someone having had financial transactions involving Russia or the Russian government does not, by itself, constitute evidence of some nefarious conspiracy.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2017, 04:59:11 PM »

So is anyone going to tell Pete the Seth Rich story was debunked?

Ah, I see what you mean. You're referring to this 'debunking' of the claim that Seth Rich was the leaker of the DNC e-mails

Quote "The theory picked up steam again this week when a private investigator named Rod Wheeler told a Washington, D.C. news station that Rich’s laptop contained the emails that were passed to WikiLeaks.

Rich’s family quickly disputed Wheeler’s claims and ordered him to “cease and desist” discussing the case. Wheeler, a former homicide detective and Fox News contributor, recanted his story and claimed he was misrepresented by a reporter." End Quote
http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/21/newt-gingrich-spreads-debunked-story-about-murdered-dnc-staffer/

So this is what is supposed to be the debunking of Wikileaks' assertions that Seth Rich was their source. Some no mark pops up on national media and claims he has the inside scoop on the story and it soon turns out he doesn't have the inside scoop.

Now whether that's deliberate disinfo or just some no mark trying to get some attention in the media is beside the point. Please explain how you think it debunks the claims of Wikileaks themselves or of Kim Dotcom
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