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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2017, 02:18:52 PM »

"Justice Democrats" in TX-14, AR-03 and even FL-27? I did't know whether it's better to weep or laugh loudly....

When we actually figure out how to campaign, I think the results will surprise you. Unfortunately...
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2017, 02:51:38 PM »
« Edited: May 19, 2017, 03:01:35 PM by smoltchanov »

"Justice Democrats" in TX-14, AR-03 and even FL-27? I did't know whether it's better to weep or laugh loudly....

Just imagine what happens when they're crazy enough to run a progressive somewhere like Idaho or Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Church
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Yarborough

Church lost in 1980, and Idaho didn't elect a single Democrat to Senate since then and not likely to do so in foreseable future. Yarborough lost primary to moderate Bentsen in 1970, and, again, no Democrat, but Bentsen, was elected Senator from Texas since then. You grasp at the straws - your choice.
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2017, 02:53:30 PM »

"Justice Democrats" in TX-14, AR-03 and even FL-27? I did't know whether it's better to weep or laugh loudly....

The one in AR-03 is a Republican.

Also I don't think being a progressive is a death sentence in FL-27, unless you're also a terrible candidate in addition to being a progressive.

FL-27 is less conservative, of course, then TX-14 or AR-03, but mostly Cuban electorate is hardly the most progressive one.
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2017, 02:56:04 PM »

"Justice Democrats" in TX-14, AR-03 and even FL-27? I did't know whether it's better to weep or laugh loudly....

When we actually figure out how to campaign, I think the results will surprise you. Unfortunately...

No. I am ready to bet that such candidates will have no chances in TX-14 or AR-03. FL-27? May be, but not too likely...
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2017, 04:07:19 PM »

"Justice Democrats" in TX-14, AR-03 and even FL-27? I did't know whether it's better to weep or laugh loudly....

The one in AR-03 is a Republican.

Also I don't think being a progressive is a death sentence in FL-27, unless you're also a terrible candidate in addition to being a progressive.

We already have JJR, the best possible candidate in the district.  There's no need for a random True Left some dude.
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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2017, 04:39:39 PM »

"Justice Democrats" in TX-14, AR-03 and even FL-27? I did't know whether it's better to weep or laugh loudly....

The one in AR-03 is a Republican.

Also I don't think being a progressive is a death sentence in FL-27, unless you're also a terrible candidate in addition to being a progressive.

We already have JJR, the best possible candidate in the district.  There's no need for a random True Left some dude.

It's still good to give these guys a scare in the primary so that they feel pressure to commit to supporting Medicare for All, 15$ minimum wage etc. once elected.

No it isn't, it's a waste of resources.
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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2017, 04:51:49 PM »

"Justice Democrats" in TX-14, AR-03 and even FL-27? I did't know whether it's better to weep or laugh loudly....

The one in AR-03 is a Republican.

Also I don't think being a progressive is a death sentence in FL-27, unless you're also a terrible candidate in addition to being a progressive.

We already have JJR, the best possible candidate in the district.  There's no need for a random True Left some dude.

It's still good to give these guys a scare in the primary so that they feel pressure to commit to supporting Medicare for All, 15$ minimum wage etc. once elected.

No it isn't, it's a waste of resources.

We really just need a Grover Norquist type with like, 3 million dollars from NNU, AFLCIO, etc to run around threatening safe/swing Dems with negative ads if they don't sign a Medicare For All pledge.
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2017, 04:58:35 PM »

"Justice Democrats" in TX-14, AR-03 and even FL-27? I did't know whether it's better to weep or laugh loudly....

The one in AR-03 is a Republican.

Also I don't think being a progressive is a death sentence in FL-27, unless you're also a terrible candidate in addition to being a progressive.

We already have JJR, the best possible candidate in the district.  There's no need for a random True Left some dude.

It's still good to give these guys a scare in the primary so that they feel pressure to commit to supporting Medicare for All, 15$ minimum wage etc. once elected.

No it isn't, it's a waste of resources.

We really just need a Grover Norquist type with like, 3 million dollars from NNU, AFLCIO, etc to run around threatening safe/swing Dems with negative ads if they don't sign a Medicare For All pledge.

I'd like to see selective targeting of safe seat Dems who've actually caused problems like Tom Carper and the IDC.  Also Grover Norquist is awful, we shouldn't be imitating him.
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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2017, 05:06:51 PM »

The problem with that sort of logic is that Democratic primary electorates are different than Republican primaries. You have a lot of independents who wouldn't care one way or another about how a special interest group wanted.
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2017, 05:12:49 PM »

"Justice Democrats" in TX-14, AR-03 and even FL-27? I did't know whether it's better to weep or laugh loudly....

The one in AR-03 is a Republican.

Also I don't think being a progressive is a death sentence in FL-27, unless you're also a terrible candidate in addition to being a progressive.

We already have JJR, the best possible candidate in the district.  There's no need for a random True Left some dude.

It's still good to give these guys a scare in the primary so that they feel pressure to commit to supporting Medicare for All, 15$ minimum wage etc. once elected.

No it isn't, it's a waste of resources.

We really just need a Grover Norquist type with like, 3 million dollars from NNU, AFLCIO, etc to run around threatening safe/swing Dems with negative ads if they don't sign a Medicare For All pledge.

I'd like to see selective targeting of safe seat Dems who've actually caused problems like Tom Carper and the IDC.  Also Grover Norquist is awful, we shouldn't be imitating him.

Norquist did have a picture of Lenin in his office because he admired how Lenin came to power.
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2017, 05:25:53 PM »

"Justice Democrats" in TX-14, AR-03 and even FL-27? I did't know whether it's better to weep or laugh loudly....

The one in AR-03 is a Republican.

Also I don't think being a progressive is a death sentence in FL-27, unless you're also a terrible candidate in addition to being a progressive.

We already have JJR, the best possible candidate in the district.  There's no need for a random True Left some dude.

It's still good to give these guys a scare in the primary so that they feel pressure to commit to supporting Medicare for All, 15$ minimum wage etc. once elected.

No it isn't, it's a waste of resources.

We really just need a Grover Norquist type with like, 3 million dollars from NNU, AFLCIO, etc to run around threatening safe/swing Dems with negative ads if they don't sign a Medicare For All pledge.

I'd like to see selective targeting of safe seat Dems who've actually caused problems like Tom Carper and the IDC.  Also Grover Norquist is awful, we shouldn't be imitating him.

Norquist did have a picture of Lenin in his office because he admired how Lenin came to power.

He's awful because of what he's pursuing. I don't make a regular practice of arguing with results, though.
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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2017, 05:40:17 PM »

Carlos Lopez Cantera would be really lucky to have a white liberal as his opponent.
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2017, 11:40:53 PM »
« Edited: May 19, 2017, 11:42:26 PM by Shadows »

The FL-27 candidate is an insider Democrat who already holds many positions in the community & in the Democratic party. Brand New Congress posted a video & I thought the FL-27 candidate was the worst (most phony, mediocre & boring speaker, etc). So that seat is likely gone (an open seat). Cori Bush (MO-01) is also a poor speaker. Paula Jean, the Senate candidate against Manchin is a passionate & very good speaker with emotional connect & has already raised 50K, but then it is Manchin, so that's a losing effort.

I thought the best candidate is Adrien Bell, Texas -14, a middle aged black women who came from a difficult childhood, parents worked as maid, nanny, in the farm, never went to college - She was a single mother early & couldn't finish education. She ultimately graduated with her son. Then she pursued a Masters. Now she is doing a Phd. She has held several local Democratic posts & has presented on 50 state strategy in Texas. She is also a very eloquent speaker & looks very sharp & intelligent. She is on a 60/40 GOP district so it's hard (but not impossible) for her !

The other candidates are all decent, even the Republican candidate seemed very nice & is a good speaker as well!

It all depends on how they run their campaigns.
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2017, 11:45:30 PM »

Usually it's not enough for victory to be a nice person and even  a good speaker. Especially - in hostile districts...
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« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2017, 12:18:56 AM »

If these people want to be taken seriously, I hope some of the 9000+ they've spoken with are being encouraged to run for state and local offices, too.

They will probably be running 200-250 races. BNC & Justice Dems have said they have the energy to try for atleast 6-8 years & don't expect big wins in 2018 - Maybe 8-10 to be realistic. The Blue Dog's 18 odd number should be the target ! All these 1000's of candidates that they spoken to should not give up on the political process & should stay involved & run in local races, state legislatures & climb up!

For example - Cori Bush got 13% odd with virtually nothing in the Senate Dem primary for Missouri in 2016 (Kander won the primary). She is new running for the House in 2018 (Missouri-01). One good thing is it will force primary opponents in safe seats to push to the left & adopt progressive policy positions!



Please no, I like my Rep Dan Lipinski being a Blue Dog Democrat.
I'd like him to stay. He endorsed Bernie Sanders.
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« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2017, 01:42:29 AM »

Name - Sarah Smith
District - Washington - 09
Party primary - Democratic
Race - White
Gender - Female

2016 Result -

Democratic           Adam Smith           72.9%   205,165
Republican              Doug Basler           27.1%   76,317

[Adam Smith is a leader for New Democrats (who have 5 members in Washington,ie, 50% of Washington house members, despite WA being overwhelmingly Democratic with multiple safe liberal seats). Adam Smith was a supporter of the Iraq War & is one of the latest Co-sponsors of HR676 - Medicare for all after opposing it throughout]


About the candidate -

Unfortunately, we were hit hard by the Great Recession. My dad was forced to retire and to sell our family’s home. My close, loving family split in different directions to survive. I’ve worked any job I could to keep that roof over my head today. I’ve been a foreclosure specialist, a paralegal and a liability negotiator. Today I work full-time as an administrative coordinator for a small business.
I’ve marched, donated, served and organized for Planned Parenthood, the World Wildlife Fund and the Humane Society. Through the years I’ve worked with refugees, Indian-Americans, young girls and feminist groups. I’ve helped coordinate food drives to aid families impacted by program cuts.

I got involved with my local legislative district and became a precinct committee officer. Brand New Congress put out a call to action and someone in my community nominated me. Our district is home to Boeing, Microsoft, and Amazon. I want to see the 9th become a leader in manufacturing solar equipment to drive the Green Energy revolution. I’m going to fight for federal grants to upgrade our infrastructure to support our modern society, creating jobs that will balance the income disparity for people who lack the skills to work in aerospace engineering or tech.

https://brandnewcongress.org/Candidates/sarah-smith
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« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2017, 12:10:43 PM »

There is a zero percent chance of Sarah Smith beating Adam Smith, who is an excellent congressman. Depending on where in the district she lives, though, she'd be a considerable improvement over several city council members/state legislators (cough Bob Hasegawa cough)
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« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2017, 08:17:01 PM »

Well, the situation absolutely reminds me a tea party challenges to Republican establishment in 2009 ad early 2010...
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« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2017, 10:40:29 PM »

I do hope Brand New Congress stay outside of Utah Congressional races, they'll just make things harder here.
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« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2017, 11:35:45 PM »
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Half of the members to Congress in WA are New Democrats, an ideological dinosaur faction who are well to the right of the people they represent in safe blue seats. Smith was an Iraq war supporter & is a centrist Democrat (& a New Democrat leader).

All 5 New Democrats in Washington should be wiped out. Going after Manchin & others are meaningless & a waste of time. It is actually useful to have some blue dogs in red seats but why have centrists in very progressive seats? Can you imagine the state which gave Bernie 70% of the primary vote has 50% of it's leaders as centrist New Democrats?


Anthony Clark, Illinois candidate has 3 MA's, is a military veteran, a teacher & is halfway through a Ph.d -


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« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2017, 12:40:19 PM »

Half of the members to Congress in WA are New Democrats, an ideological dinosaur faction who are well to the right of the people they represent in safe blue seats. Smith was an Iraq war supporter & is a centrist Democrat (& a New Democrat leader).

All 5 New Democrats in Washington should be wiped out. Going after Manchin & others are meaningless & a waste of time. It is actually useful to have some blue dogs in red seats but why have centrists in very progressive seats? Can you imagine the state which gave Bernie 70% of the primary vote has 50% of it's leaders as centrist New Democrats?


Anthony Clark, Illinois candidate has 3 MA's, is a military veteran, a teacher & is halfway through a Ph.d -




You can't seriously believe Pramila Jayapal is a "New Democrat."
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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2017, 02:05:23 AM »

Yeah, Jayapal is a close ally of a literal Trotskyist on the Seattle City Council. To call her a New Democrat is insane. The rest, maybe, but Jayapal should be fine ideologically for Justice Dems/Brand New Congress.
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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2017, 03:15:55 AM »

Yeah, Jayapal is a close ally of a literal Trotskyist on the Seattle City Council. To call her a New Democrat is insane. The rest, maybe, but Jayapal should be fine ideologically for Justice Dems/Brand New Congress.

The only problem is: such Congress will never happen. If "never" is too strong a word - i am ready to substitute it on "not in the next 50 years"..
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« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2017, 01:14:21 PM »

Half of the members to Congress in WA are New Democrats, an ideological dinosaur faction who are well to the right of the people they represent in safe blue seats. Smith was an Iraq war supporter & is a centrist Democrat (& a New Democrat leader).

All 5 New Democrats in Washington should be wiped out. Going after Manchin & others are meaningless & a waste of time. It is actually useful to have some blue dogs in red seats but why have centrists in very progressive seats? Can you imagine the state which gave Bernie 70% of the primary vote has 50% of it's leaders as centrist New Democrats?


Anthony Clark, Illinois candidate has 3 MA's, is a military veteran, a teacher & is halfway through a Ph.d -




You can't seriously believe Pramila Jayapal is a "New Democrat."

Washington Delegation -

New Democrats -

Suzan Delbene (WA-01), Vice Chair New Democrats
Dennis Heck (WA-10)
Derek Kilmer (WA-06), Vice Chair New Democrats
Rick Larsen (WA-2)
Adam Smith (WA-9), Charter member New Democrats

Progressives -

Pramila Jayapal (WA-09) (Vice-Chair of Congressional Progressive Caucus)

Republicans -

Jaime Herrera Beutler - WA-03
Dan Newhouse - WA-04
Cathy McMorris Rodgers - WA-05
Dave Reichert - WA-08

Only Beutler will probably lose in 2018, rest 3 are in safe seats. One of the most progressive states where Sanders destroyed Clinton, should not have almost their entire Democratic congressional leadership as New Democrats. Go & have those in Alabama or Texas !

Only 1 progressive member out of 10 seats in Washington is absolutely not acceptable !
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« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2017, 01:27:44 PM »

Only Beutler will probably lose in 2018, rest 3 are in safe seats. One of the most progressive states where Sanders destroyed Clinton, should not have almost their entire Democratic congressional leadership as New Democrats. Go & have those in Alabama or Texas !

Only 1 progressive member out of 10 seats in Washington is absolutely not acceptable !

See, this is where I wish Justice Democrats and other similar groups would train their fire. Stop screwing around with red state Democrats that could very easily (and likely) cost us Senate seats, and focus on primarying unfavorable Democrats in safe seats. Booting out the Third Way types could give us much better chances at more progressive legislation by the time we get a federal trifecta again. That is, assuming the progressives that replace them can actually negotiate and not simply obstruct and hamstring the chamber like the HFC.
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