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« Reply #800 on: July 24, 2017, 09:05:20 PM »

People "disapprove" of Trump yet will support him politically when it actually counts.

I doubt Michigan and Pennsylvania will do so again.

Numbers for him there are appalling and more than enough to turn them back to blue.

Of course, nothing really matters if Trump colludes with Putin again.

Agree. I honestly cannot see him winning PA and MI again.

Kid Rock is now leading in two polls against Stabenow, who was considered safe even with a terrible map. Stabenow is not leading in any polls. Gillespie is tied in Virginia even though Trump is deep underwater there. Handel won even though Trump is supposedly unpopular in Georgia. Brown is way down in Ohio even though Trump is supposedly at 50-50 there. At some point a "disapproval" doesn't matter if it translates into nothing.
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« Reply #801 on: July 24, 2017, 09:10:22 PM »

Kid Rock is now leading in two polls against Stabenow, who was considered safe even with a terrible map.

Those two polls were the same poll, and it's most likely fake.
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« Reply #802 on: July 24, 2017, 09:12:39 PM »

Since the Washington Post already analyzed Trump's positive or negative swing from his election results in each state to his current approval ratings, I figured I'd go a step further and see what Trump's trend is. Of course, the trend is comparing the state's swing to the national swing and seeing whether it is higher or lower. So, that'd give us a better idea of how each state is responding to the Trump Presidency.

Vote | Approve | Swing | Trend | State

46% | 40% | -06% | +00% | United States
62% | 55% | -07% | -01%  | Alabama
51% | 51% | +00%| +06% | Alaska
48% | 43% | -05% | +01% | Arizona
61% | 53% | -08% | -02%  | Arkansas
31% | 30% | -01% | +05% | California
43% | 38% | -05% | +01% | Colorado
41% | 34% | -07% | -01%  | Connecticut
42% | 38% | -04% | +02% | Delaware
49% | 42% | -07% | -01%  | Florida
50% | 43% | -07% | -01%  | Georgia
30% | 35% | +05%| +11% | Hawaii
59% | 53% | -06% | +00% | Idaho
38% | 36% | -02% | +04% | Illinois
56% | 47% | -09% | -03%  | Indiana
51% | 45% | -06% | +00% | Iowa
56% | 53% | -03% | +03% | Kansas
63% | 53% | -10% | -04%  | Kentucky
58% | 51% | -07% | -01%  | Louisiana
45% | 42% | -03% | +03% | Maine
34% | 30% | -04% | +02% | Maryland
33% | 29% | -04% | +02% | Massachusetts
47% | 42% | -05% | +01% | Michigan
45% | 39% | -06% | +00% | Minnesota
58% | 48% | -10% | -04%  | Mississippi
56% | 49% | -07% | -01%  | Missouri
56% | 56% | +00%| +06% | Montana
59% | 52% | -07% | -01%  | Nebraska
46% | 44% | -02% | +04% | Nevada
46% | 45% | -01% | +05% | New Hampshire
41% | 36% | -05% | +01% | New Jersey
40% | 37% | -03% | +03% | New Mexico
37% | 31% | -06% | +00% | New York
50% | 42% | -08% | -02%  | North Carolina
63% | 59% | -04% | +02% | North Dakota
51% | 47% | -04% | +02% | Ohio
65% | 54% | -11% | -05%  | Oklahoma
39% | 38% | -01% | +05% | Oregon
48% | 43% | -05% | +01% | Pennsylvania
39% | 37% | -02% | +04% | Rhode Island
55% | 50% | -05% | +01% | South Carolina
62% | 57% | -05% | +01% | South Dakota
61% | 52% | -09% | -03%  | Tennessee
52% | 42% | -10% | -04%  | Texas
45% | 50% | +05%| +11% | Utah
30% | 26% | -04% | +02% | Vermont
44% | 39% | -05% | +01% | Virginia
37% | 36% | -01% | +05% | Washington
68% | 60% | -08% | -02%  | West Virginia
47% | 43% | -04% | +02% | Wisconsin
68% | 56% | -12% | -06%  | Wyoming



Top 10 states trending away from Trump

-06% | Wyoming
-05% | Oklahoma
-04% | Kentucky
-04% | Mississippi
-04% | Texas
-03% | Indiana
-03% | Tennessee
-02% | Arkansas
-02% | North Carolina
-02% | West Virginia

Top 10 states trending towards Trump

+11% | Hawaii
+11% | Utah
+06% | Alaska
+06% | Montana
+05% | California
+05% | New Hampshire
+05% | Oregon
+05% | Washington
+04% | Illinois
+04% | Nevada
+04% | Rhode Island*

*Three-way tie for 9th place
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« Reply #803 on: July 24, 2017, 09:42:03 PM »

Since the Washington Post already analyzed Trump's positive or negative swing from his election results in each state to his current approval ratings, I figured I'd go a step further and see what Trump's trend is. Of course, the trend is comparing the state's swing to the national swing and seeing whether it is higher or lower. So, that'd give us a better idea of how each state is responding to the Trump Presidency.

Vote | Approve | Swing | Trend | State

46% | 40% | -06% | +00% | United States
62% | 55% | -07% | -01%  | Alabama
51% | 51% | +00%| +06% | Alaska
48% | 43% | -05% | +01% | Arizona
61% | 53% | -08% | -02%  | Arkansas
31% | 30% | -01% | +05% | California
43% | 38% | -05% | +01% | Colorado
41% | 34% | -07% | -01%  | Connecticut
42% | 38% | -04% | +02% | Delaware
49% | 42% | -07% | -01%  | Florida
50% | 43% | -07% | -01%  | Georgia
30% | 35% | +05%| +11% | Hawaii
59% | 53% | -06% | +00% | Idaho
38% | 36% | -02% | +04% | Illinois
56% | 47% | -09% | -03%  | Indiana
51% | 45% | -06% | +00% | Iowa
56% | 53% | -03% | +03% | Kansas
63% | 53% | -10% | -04%  | Kentucky
58% | 51% | -07% | -01%  | Louisiana
45% | 42% | -03% | +03% | Maine
34% | 30% | -04% | +02% | Maryland
33% | 29% | -04% | +02% | Massachusetts
47% | 42% | -05% | +01% | Michigan
45% | 39% | -06% | +00% | Minnesota
58% | 48% | -10% | -04%  | Mississippi
56% | 49% | -07% | -01%  | Missouri
56% | 56% | +00%| +06% | Montana
59% | 52% | -07% | -01%  | Nebraska
46% | 44% | -02% | +04% | Nevada
46% | 45% | -01% | +05% | New Hampshire
41% | 36% | -05% | +01% | New Jersey
40% | 37% | -03% | +03% | New Mexico
37% | 31% | -06% | +00% | New York
50% | 42% | -08% | -02%  | North Carolina
63% | 59% | -04% | +02% | North Dakota
51% | 47% | -04% | +02% | Ohio
65% | 54% | -11% | -05%  | Oklahoma
39% | 38% | -01% | +05% | Oregon
48% | 43% | -05% | +01% | Pennsylvania
39% | 37% | -02% | +04% | Rhode Island
55% | 50% | -05% | +01% | South Carolina
62% | 57% | -05% | +01% | South Dakota
61% | 52% | -09% | -03%  | Tennessee
52% | 42% | -10% | -04%  | Texas
45% | 50% | +05%| +11% | Utah
30% | 26% | -04% | +02% | Vermont
44% | 39% | -05% | +01% | Virginia
37% | 36% | -01% | +05% | Washington
68% | 60% | -08% | -02%  | West Virginia
47% | 43% | -04% | +02% | Wisconsin
68% | 56% | -12% | -06%  | Wyoming



Top 10 states trending away from Trump

-06% | Wyoming
-05% | Oklahoma
-04% | Kentucky
-04% | Mississippi
-04% | Texas
-03% | Indiana
-03% | Tennessee
-02% | Arkansas
-02% | North Carolina
-02% | West Virginia

Top 10 states trending towards Trump

+11% | Hawaii
+11% | Utah
+06% | Alaska
+06% | Montana
+05% | California
+05% | New Hampshire
+05% | Oregon
+05% | Washington
+04% | Illinois
+04% | Nevada
+04% | Rhode Island*

*Three-way tie for 9th place

The South is a sea of Atlas red on this map. 9/11 confederate states trending against Trump. Interesting
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« Reply #804 on: July 24, 2017, 10:17:25 PM »

People "disapprove" of Trump yet will support him politically when it actually counts.

States decided by 10% or less in 2016

st mar dis

IA  9.4  52
TX  9.0 51
OH 8.1 48
GA 5.1  50
NC 3.7  50
AZ 3.5  52
FL 1.2  51

WI 0.8 51
PA 0.8 62
MI 0.2 61

NH 0.4 60
MN 1.5 57
NV 2.4 50
ME 3.0 55
CO 4.9 57
VA 5.3 57
NM 8.2 56


The first column is the two-letter postal code for the state. The second is the margin of victory. The third is the disapproval rating.


...Now how does President Trump get re-elected? Even if he doesn't run for re-election, how does he avoid hurting his would-be Republican successor?

A Democrat who wins every state in which Donald Trump has a disapproval rating of 52 or more now gets 281 electoral votes.

51 or higher? The Democrat wins 356 electoral votes.

50 or higher? 391 electoral votes.

48 or higher? 423 electoral votes (because Indiana and Alaska aren't on this chart).  

 
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« Reply #805 on: July 24, 2017, 10:33:18 PM »

Monmouth Poll, Virginia:

5. Do you approve or disapprove of the job Donald Trump is doing as president?

37%     Approve

57%     Disapprove

  6%     (VOL) Don't know

No need to alter the map.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_VA_072417/
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« Reply #806 on: July 24, 2017, 11:08:57 PM »

Since the Washington Post already analyzed Trump's positive or negative swing from his election results in each state to his current approval ratings, I figured I'd go a step further and see what Trump's trend is. Of course, the trend is comparing the state's swing to the national swing and seeing whether it is higher or lower. So, that'd give us a better idea of how each state is responding to the Trump Presidency.

What I'm curious to see is the swing from his favorability #s in the 2016 exit poll (in states that had exit polls) to his job approval now.
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« Reply #807 on: July 24, 2017, 11:14:35 PM »

Could this end up being a huge reversal of the urban/rural trends that have been going on since at least 2000?
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« Reply #808 on: July 25, 2017, 02:31:22 AM »
« Edited: July 25, 2017, 02:00:23 PM by pbrower2a »

Is it possible for a President who barely got elected in a State to lose it by double digits the next time? Sure. Think of Obama winning Indiana barely in 2008 only to lose it decisively in 2012. But Obama had plenty of breathing room in 2012.

I think of Carter losing Florida and Ohio in 1980 by double digits after winning them in 1976. For "Florida" you can substitute Pennsylvania and for "Ohio" you can substitute Michigan this time. Those two states look as if they will vote more like New York next time than be squeakers for Trump. By losing Michigan and Pennsylvania (and he is not going to get them back) Trump puts himself in the position of having to win everything else that he won in 2016. There are plenty of ways for him to lose. If he lost so much as the Second Congressional Districts of Maine and Nebraska he would lose 270-268 if he still held onto Wisconsin.

The only state that he lost in which his disapproval rate is at 50 or lower is Nevada... and that state is at 50. His barest win in 2016 (New Hampshire) gives him a 60% disapproval rate.  His second-barest loss gives him a 57% disapproval rate. Beyond that I see numbers from 55% to 71% (well, that is Vermont!)

But Trump does not have as much room for losses. He excited populist sentiments and then sold out the masses who voted for him. In the Midwest he is becoming a d@mnable city-slicker. In the South he is becoming a worse d@mnyankee than Barack Obama.  It is hard to see anyone heading in his direction unless he expects tax cuts or sweetheart deals.
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« Reply #809 on: July 25, 2017, 08:28:12 AM »

The only state that he won in which his disapproval rate is at 50 or lower is Nevada... and that state is at 50. His barest win in 2016 (New Hampshire) gives him a 60% disapproval rate.
I don't know if I'm reading this wrong or not, but Trump did not win Nevada and New Hampshire.

But Trump does not have as much room for losses. He excited populist sentiments and then sold out the masses who voted for him. In the Midwest he is becoming a d@mnable city-slicker. In the South he is becoming a worse d@mnyankee than Barack Obama.  It is hard to see anyone heading in his direction unless he expects tax cuts or sweetheart deals.
Reminds me of what Fmr. Gov. Pat McCrory did. He campaigned as a pragmatist in his initial election in 2012, and did rather well for a Republican in North Carolina's urban areas. By 2016, he was trying to win reelection by banking on social conservatives with his bathroom bill, which was toxic in the state's urban centers. Only difference is that Trump is doing the opposite: he won with a huge turnout among rural voters, and is now banking on hard-line conservatives with the health care bill and yuge tax breaks for the top 1%.
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« Reply #810 on: July 25, 2017, 09:03:55 AM »

Is it possible for a President who barely got elected in a State to lose it by double digits the next time? Sure. Think of Obama winning Indiana barely in 2008 only to lose it decisively in 2012. But Obama had plenty of breathing room in 2012.

I think of Carter losing Florida and Ohio in 1980 by double digits after winning them in 1976. For "Florida" you can substitute Pennsylvania and for "Ohio" you can substitute Michigan this time. Those two states look as if they will vote more like New York next time than be squeakers for Trump. By losing Michigan and Pennsylvania (and he is not going to get them back) Trump puts himself in the position of having to win everything else that he won in 2016. There are plenty of ways for him to lose. If he lost so much as the Second Congressional Districts of Maine and Nebraska he would lose 270-268 if he still held onto Wisconsin.

The only state that he won in which his disapproval rate is at 50 or lower is Nevada... and that state is at 50. His barest win in 2016 (New Hampshire) gives him a 60% disapproval rate.  His second-barest loss gives him a 57% disapproval rate. Beyond that I see numbers from 55% to 71% (well, that is Vermont!)

But Trump does not have as much room for losses. He excited populist sentiments and then sold out the masses who voted for him. In the Midwest he is becoming a d@mnable city-slicker. In the South he is becoming a worse d@mnyankee than Barack Obama.  It is hard to see anyone heading in his direction unless he expects tax cuts or sweetheart deals.

Devil's Advocate- Aren't democrats just "city slickers" and "damn yankees"?
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« Reply #811 on: July 25, 2017, 10:20:33 AM »

Trump ties his all time worst on Rasmussen:

Approve - 42%
Disapprove - 58%
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« Reply #812 on: July 25, 2017, 11:29:38 AM »

Since the Washington Post already analyzed Trump's positive or negative swing from his election results in each state to his current approval ratings, I figured I'd go a step further and see what Trump's trend is. Of course, the trend is comparing the state's swing to the national swing and seeing whether it is higher or lower. So, that'd give us a better idea of how each state is responding to the Trump Presidency.

Vote | Approve | Swing | Trend | State

46% | 40% | -06% | +00% | United States
62% | 55% | -07% | -01%  | Alabama
51% | 51% | +00%| +06% | Alaska
48% | 43% | -05% | +01% | Arizona
61% | 53% | -08% | -02%  | Arkansas
31% | 30% | -01% | +05% | California
43% | 38% | -05% | +01% | Colorado
41% | 34% | -07% | -01%  | Connecticut
42% | 38% | -04% | +02% | Delaware
49% | 42% | -07% | -01%  | Florida
50% | 43% | -07% | -01%  | Georgia
30% | 35% | +05%| +11% | Hawaii
59% | 53% | -06% | +00% | Idaho
38% | 36% | -02% | +04% | Illinois
56% | 47% | -09% | -03%  | Indiana
51% | 45% | -06% | +00% | Iowa
56% | 53% | -03% | +03% | Kansas
63% | 53% | -10% | -04%  | Kentucky
58% | 51% | -07% | -01%  | Louisiana
45% | 42% | -03% | +03% | Maine
34% | 30% | -04% | +02% | Maryland
33% | 29% | -04% | +02% | Massachusetts
47% | 42% | -05% | +01% | Michigan
45% | 39% | -06% | +00% | Minnesota
58% | 48% | -10% | -04%  | Mississippi
56% | 49% | -07% | -01%  | Missouri
56% | 56% | +00%| +06% | Montana
59% | 52% | -07% | -01%  | Nebraska
46% | 44% | -02% | +04% | Nevada
46% | 45% | -01% | +05% | New Hampshire
41% | 36% | -05% | +01% | New Jersey
40% | 37% | -03% | +03% | New Mexico
37% | 31% | -06% | +00% | New York
50% | 42% | -08% | -02%  | North Carolina
63% | 59% | -04% | +02% | North Dakota
51% | 47% | -04% | +02% | Ohio
65% | 54% | -11% | -05%  | Oklahoma
39% | 38% | -01% | +05% | Oregon
48% | 43% | -05% | +01% | Pennsylvania
39% | 37% | -02% | +04% | Rhode Island
55% | 50% | -05% | +01% | South Carolina
62% | 57% | -05% | +01% | South Dakota
61% | 52% | -09% | -03%  | Tennessee
52% | 42% | -10% | -04%  | Texas
45% | 50% | +05%| +11% | Utah
30% | 26% | -04% | +02% | Vermont
44% | 39% | -05% | +01% | Virginia
37% | 36% | -01% | +05% | Washington
68% | 60% | -08% | -02%  | West Virginia
47% | 43% | -04% | +02% | Wisconsin
68% | 56% | -12% | -06%  | Wyoming



Top 10 states trending away from Trump

-06% | Wyoming
-05% | Oklahoma
-04% | Kentucky
-04% | Mississippi
-04% | Texas
-03% | Indiana
-03% | Tennessee
-02% | Arkansas
-02% | North Carolina
-02% | West Virginia

Top 10 states trending towards Trump

+11% | Hawaii
+11% | Utah
+06% | Alaska
+06% | Montana
+05% | California
+05% | New Hampshire
+05% | Oregon
+05% | Washington
+04% | Illinois
+04% | Nevada
+04% | Rhode Island*

*Three-way tie for 9th place
Isn't this an apples-to-oranges comparison? Equating Trump's 2016 vote share with his approval ratings assumes that every Trump voter approved of him / that every disapproving person wouldn't vote for him
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« Reply #813 on: July 25, 2017, 12:00:45 PM »

Gallup

Approve 36% (-1)
Disapprove 59% (+1)
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« Reply #815 on: July 25, 2017, 12:09:15 PM »

What was his worst Gallup approval?
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« Reply #816 on: July 25, 2017, 12:11:53 PM »
« Edited: July 25, 2017, 12:20:01 PM by Great Again III: The Mocking of Sessions »


35/59 and 36/60.

The first numbers are from March 28, four days after the initial attempt at holding a vote on Trumpcare in the House had collapsed for the first time.

The second numbers are from June 12, four days after James Comey's testimony before the Senate Intel Committee.
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« Reply #817 on: July 25, 2017, 01:58:52 PM »
« Edited: July 26, 2017, 08:58:27 AM by pbrower2a »

The only state that he lost in which his disapproval rate is at 50 or lower is Nevada... and that state is at 50. His barest win in 2016 (New Hampshire) gives him a 60% disapproval rate.
I don't know if I'm reading this wrong or not, but Trump did not win Nevada and New Hampshire.

But Trump does not have as much room for losses. He excited populist sentiments and then sold out the masses who voted for him. In the Midwest he is becoming a d@mnable city-slicker. In the South he is becoming a worse d@mnyankee than Barack Obama.  It is hard to see anyone heading in his direction unless he expects tax cuts or sweetheart deals.
Reminds me of what Fmr. Gov. Pat McCrory did. He campaigned as a pragmatist in his initial election in 2012, and did rather well for a Republican in North Carolina's urban areas. By 2016, he was trying to win reelection by banking on social conservatives with his bathroom bill, which was toxic in the state's urban centers. Only difference is that Trump is doing the opposite: he won with a huge turnout among rural voters, and is now banking on hard-line conservatives with the health care bill and yuge tax breaks for the top 1%.

The poll in question has New Hampshire disapproval at 51

Correction made. The poll that I am using for New Hampshire (by American Research Group) is from a later time than the Gallup compilation.  Basically just about any poll will replace any existing polling measure that I have for any state. It's not a swipe at Gallup; it's that the more recent poll is more likely to be reliable. I am treating the Gallup compilations as April polls.

So what am I not using? Favorability polls, polls from special interest groups (unless by well-recognized pollsters), push polls, or polls by suspect entities (like "Loof-Lipra Polling Institute" on April 1... get it?).
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« Reply #818 on: July 25, 2017, 03:41:40 PM »

Well, one of the good things I see here is that Trump's approvals are so low in Connecticut that it could still enable a relatively easy hold on the Govs office / state legislature even despite local economic issues. His numbers in Illinois do not do Rauner any favors, either.

True, but Rauner always distanced himself from Trump and did not vote for him. Although he's a billionaire as well, he's a completely different personality and has different views. Trump's numbers in MA and MD are even worse, but I think that both Governor Baker (R-MA) and Governor Hogan (R-MD) are favored to win reelection next year. IL is a toss-up.

Maryland has a history of throwing out popular gop incumbents in dem wave years see 06
Massachusetts does not
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« Reply #819 on: July 25, 2017, 07:10:50 PM »

Oh, and finally, let's not forget that while Clinton had "25 years of baggage" the piece of that baggage that dragged her down the most was the most recent scandal, the email scandal which didn't even become public until 2015.

Do we really know that this is true? National media in the United States inform their coverage with about as much historical perspective as you might expect from a fruit fly, but that doesn't mean that underlying voter attitudes were not formed over decades.

Everyone points to Clinton's high approvals as SoS, but there's nothing unusual about a SoS having high approval ratings. Which backlash may have harmed her more in retrospect, given that the more recent scandals prompted voters to re-assess her tenure in that position, although the Clinton campaign never stopped touting that experience as an unimpeachable asset.

It's very wrong in my opinion, as in fact was a salient semi recent issue that Republicans can use to hammer on the underlined impression people have Hillary for decades. The email scandal barely ask Elam. Beyond the screams of the right-wing media best put by Obama as a problem for the help desk because it was drummed like a Bonnaroo hippie Circle two years flat it gave Focus for decades long lingering mistrust and Clinton that couldn't be written off as ancient history
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« Reply #820 on: July 26, 2017, 04:00:48 AM »

But back to the more normal color scheme of red to blue





Blue, positive and 40-43%  20% saturation
............................ 44-47%  40%
............................ 48-50%  50%
............................ 51-55%  70%
............................ 56%+     90%

Red, negative and  48-50%  20% (raw approval or favorability)
..........................  44-47%  30%
..........................  40-43%  50%
..........................  35-39%  70%
.......................under  35%  90%

White - tie.


Now for the theme of disapproval as shown in the Gallup data:




navy under 40
blue 40-43
light blue 44-47
white 48 or 49
pink 50-54
red 55-59
maroon 60 or higher

Again I am shading the states in the lightest-intensity colors and white toward orange from red, green from blue, or yellow from white if I rely only upon the Gallup polling data for a state with  
between 40% and 54% disapproval.

That yellowing is for one-time use. I don't like this color scheme.  

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« Reply #821 on: July 26, 2017, 08:33:23 AM »

Morning Consult national poll, conducted July 20-24:

http://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015d-7a13-dad8-a1df-fe9b171c0000
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015d-7a14-d70f-a75d-fb14aa4d0000

approve 44%
disapprove 51%

crosstabs:

Trump job approval margin by region:
Midwest: -2
Northeast: -17
South: +3
West: -15

Trump job approval margin by race:
whites: 0
blacks: -55
Hispanics: -15

Trump job approval margin by income:
under $50k: -13
$50-100k: -10
over $100k: -3

12% of Trump voters disapprove of Trump’s job performance.  10% of Clinton voters approve of Trump’s job performance.

Also from that poll, 49% of Trump supporters believe he won the popular vote.  40% believe Clinton won it.
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« Reply #822 on: July 26, 2017, 10:31:58 AM »

Also from that poll, 49% of Trump supporters believe he won the popular vote.  40% believe Clinton won it.


And Trump voters wonder why everyone thinks theyre ignorant

*puts on MAGA hat* He did win the popular vote; the millions of votes by illegals don't count!
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« Reply #823 on: July 26, 2017, 11:03:29 AM »

Also from that poll, 49% of Trump supporters believe he won the popular vote.  40% believe Clinton won it.


And Trump voters wonder why everyone thinks theyre ignorant

*puts on MAGA hat* He did win the popular vote; the millions of votes by illegals don't count!

Remove L.A. and NYC and what's the popular vote? I'd say those areas are not culturally representative of most of America.
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« Reply #824 on: July 26, 2017, 11:04:05 AM »

I suspect his numbers might nominally bump up slightly in the short term due to some disaffected members of tbe base approving of the trans military ban. Wouldn't swear to it, but that's my hunch.
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