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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2017, 02:02:54 AM »

Harry Truman's 1948 campaign -

You are the government, you decide what sort of government you want. And when you do like you did in nineteen forty-six, when two-thirds of you stayed at home, you get just what you deserve -- you got that good for nothing Eightieth Congress. If you give the Republicans complete control of this government, you might just as well turn it over to the special interests, and we’ll start on a boom-and-bust cycle.

Dewey also campaigned across the country by train. But he showed little of the fire and emotion in his speeches that made Truman's campaign so exciting. Dewey’s speeches were “safe.” Truman campaigned by telling the voters that Dewey did not understand the needs of the average American. He called Dewey a candidate of rich people. One day, Dewey got angry at a railroad engineer because his campaign train was late for a speech. Truman said this proved that Dewey did not understand the problems of railroad engineers and other working Americans. He tried to make the election a choice between hard-working Democrats and rich Republicans.

http://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/american-history-truman-wins-election-1948-127974763/116178.html

Truman & healthcare -

Back in 1945 — a mere seven months into a presidency he inherited from Franklin D. Roosevelt — Truman proposed a “universal” national health insurance program. Truman proposed that every wage earning American pay monthly fees or taxes to cover the cost of all medical expenses in time of illness. The plan also called for a cash balance to be paid to policyholders, in the event of injury or illness, to replace the income those individuals lost.

As soon as the reinvigorated bill was announced, the American Medical Association (AMA) capitalized on the nation’s paranoia over the threat of Communism and, despite Truman’s assertions to the contrary, attacked the bill as “socialized medicine.” Even more outrageous, the AMA derided the Truman administration as “followers of the Moscow party line.” Harry Truman continued to make health insurance a major issue of his campaign platform in 1948 and specifically castigated the AMA for calling his plan “un-American”:

Truman later called the failure to pass a national health insurance program one of the most bitter and troubling disappointments in his presidency

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/november-19-1945-harry-truman-calls-national-health-insurance-program/
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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2017, 02:21:16 AM »

Sanders will turn 79 a month after election day in 2020. By the time his first term would end in January, 2025, he'll be 83 years old. If he's a two-termer, he'll exit office just after his 87th birthday.

The human body really starts to go to pieces after a certain point, and a president who will be in his 80s most of his term is really asking for America to have to get very familiar with a lot of end-of-life illnesses.

Nobody cares...I'd rather have Bernie croak in office than trust a DLC stiff. If anything...Bernie dying might help in getting legislation passed...much like LBJ exploited JFK's death in ramming though a ton of legislation.

Him dead in office isn't the worst case scenario. Him going through a lengthy, debilitating, illness that prevents him from handling the duties of state is.

Yes, the 25th Amendment exists, but any attempt to use it will be denounced as a coup, especially if Sanders isn't himself ready to relinquish the reins.
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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2017, 03:00:32 AM »

Sanders will turn 79 a month after election day in 2020. By the time his first term would end in January, 2025, he'll be 83 years old. If he's a two-termer, he'll exit office just after his 87th birthday.

The human body really starts to go to pieces after a certain point, and a president who will be in his 80s most of his term is really asking for America to have to get very familiar with a lot of end-of-life illnesses.

Nobody cares...I'd rather have Bernie croak in office than trust a DLC stiff. If anything...Bernie dying might help in getting legislation passed...much like LBJ exploited JFK's death in ramming though a ton of legislation.

Him dead in office isn't the worst case scenario. Him going through a lengthy, debilitating, illness that prevents him from handling the duties of state is.

Yes, the 25th Amendment exists, but any attempt to use it will be denounced as a coup, especially if Sanders isn't himself ready to relinquish the reins.

Why should this issue be discussed in the 1st half of 2017 rather than the 1st half of 2019? People will have a rough idea of Bernie's health in 2019, which I presume would be good enough.

Truman had a lot of problems as well health wise, had trouble reading speeches sometimes due to his eyesight, FDR lost the use of his legs & always had some problem of the other. Most of these Presidents who were older (compared to the 1930's & 40's life expectancy) with age problems were very sharp mentally & with fiery speeches toured the country & tried hard to push legislation.

If Bernie runs, I think it will be because he is good enough to be healthy for 1 term. And he will have a very capable VP. And given his current health & hectic schedule, there is nothing to say he won't. Give it time & discuss in 2019 ! If he can campaign like a madman running around at his age in 2020, then he has every right to be the President !
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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2017, 06:30:07 AM »

If he were to run? Maybe 15% or so.
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« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2017, 02:24:51 PM »

Sanders will turn 79 a month after election day in 2020. By the time his first term would end in January, 2025, he'll be 83 years old. If he's a two-termer, he'll exit office just after his 87th birthday.

The human body really starts to go to pieces after a certain point, and a president who will be in his 80s most of his term is really asking for America to have to get very familiar with a lot of end-of-life illnesses.

Nobody cares...I'd rather have Bernie croak in office than trust a DLC stiff. If anything...Bernie dying might help in getting legislation passed...much like LBJ exploited JFK's death in ramming though a ton of legislation.

Him dead in office isn't the worst case scenario. Him going through a lengthy, debilitating, illness that prevents him from handling the duties of state is.

Yes, the 25th Amendment exists, but any attempt to use it will be denounced as a coup, especially if Sanders isn't himself ready to relinquish the reins.

If Bernie can last as long as Lincoln...then he will have accomplished alot. Bernie actually inspires the everyday person to get off their ass and fight for certain issues.
His plan to drastically expand welfare says otherwise...

I'm all for reforming welfare, but we need to do it in the way Bill Clinton reformed welfare.
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« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2017, 02:52:32 PM »

He has little to no chance of winning. He benefited immensely from nobody ever dropping an ounce of oppo on him, and he won't have that luxury the next time around.
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« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2017, 06:21:43 PM »

He has little to no chance of winning. He benefited immensely from nobody ever dropping an ounce of oppo on him, and he won't have that luxury the next time around.

So those 16 hit pieces a day from the Washington Post didn't add up to even an ounce?
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« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2017, 07:48:03 PM »

He has little to no chance of winning. He benefited immensely from nobody ever dropping an ounce of oppo on him, and he won't have that luxury the next time around.

So those 16 hit pieces a day from the Washington Post didn't add up to even an ounce?

A quick google search turns up a list of a bunch of WaPo opinion pieces, no real oppo that could be credibly used by an opposing campaign.
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« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2017, 12:05:49 AM »

He is nothing like Cornyn.
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« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2017, 09:26:22 AM »

It is kind of astounding if you look at all this oppo research & what not on a relatively clean candidate in Bernie. Ted Cruz's 5 mistress scandals & what not never seemed to effect him 1 bit.

And then you have Trump, if oppo research was an issue, Trump would not be the President today. Some people were shocked by 2016 because they have an alternate reality & they will be shocked again in 2020 because they just don't get it !
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« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2017, 09:32:06 AM »

I'm sure he's not much like Corbyn either. Wink
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