How would you have voted?: United States Presidential Elections

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Revised edition!

1789: Clinton (R)
1792: Jefferson (R)
1796: Jefferson (R)
1800: Jefferson (R)
1804: Jefferson (R)
1808: Madison (R)
1812: Madison (R)
1816: Monroe (R)
1820: Monroe (R)
1824: Jackson (D)
1828: Jackson (D)
1832: Jackson (D)
1836: Harrison (W)
1840: Harrison (W)
1844: Polk (D)
1848: Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852: Hale (Free Soil)
1856: Fillmore (W)
1860: Lincoln (R)
1864: Lincoln (R)
1868: Grant (R)
1872: Greeley (Liberal Republican)
1876: Tilden (R)
1880: Hancock (D)
1884: Cleveland (D)
1888: Cleveland (D)
1892: Cleveland (D)
1896: McKinley (R)
1900: McKinley (R)
1904: Parker (D)
1908: Taft (R)
1912: Taft (R)
1916: Hughes (R)
1920: Harding (R)
1924: Coolidge (R)
1928: Hoover (R)
1932: Harvey (Liberty)
1936: Lemke (Union)
1940: NOTA
1944: NOTA
1948: Truman (D) - Republican Primary (Taft)
1952: Eisenhower (R) - Republican Primary (Taft)
1956: Eisenhower (R)
1960: Nixon (R)
1964: Goldwater (R)
1968: Nixon (R) - Republican Primary (Reagan)
1972: Nixon (R) - Republican Primary (Ashbrook)
1976: Ford (R) - Republican Primary (Reagan)
1980: Reagan (R)
1884: Reagan (R)
1988: Bush (R)
1992: Perot (I) - Republican Primary (write-in Perot)
1996: Dole (R) - Republican Primary (Lugar)
2000: Bush (R)
2004: Bush (R)
2008: McCain (R) - Republican Primary (Huckabee)

The one Democrat you would vote for in the modern era is the evil Harry Truman?

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Revised edition!

1789: Clinton (R)
1792: Jefferson (R)
1796: Jefferson (R)
1800: Jefferson (R)
1804: Jefferson (R)
1808: Madison (R)
1812: Madison (R)
1816: Monroe (R)
1820: Monroe (R)
1824: Jackson (D)
1828: Jackson (D)
1832: Jackson (D)
1836: Harrison (W)
1840: Harrison (W)
1844: Polk (D)
1848: Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852: Hale (Free Soil)
1856: Fillmore (W)
1860: Lincoln (R)
1864: Lincoln (R)
1868: Grant (R)
1872: Greeley (Liberal Republican)
1876: Tilden (R)
1880: Hancock (D)
1884: Cleveland (D)
1888: Cleveland (D)
1892: Cleveland (D)
1896: McKinley (R)
1900: McKinley (R)
1904: Parker (D)
1908: Taft (R)
1912: Taft (R)
1916: Hughes (R)
1920: Harding (R)
1924: Coolidge (R)
1928: Hoover (R)
1932: Harvey (Liberty)
1936: Lemke (Union)
1940: NOTA
1944: NOTA
1948: Truman (D) - Republican Primary (Taft)
1952: Eisenhower (R) - Republican Primary (Taft)
1956: Eisenhower (R)
1960: Nixon (R)
1964: Goldwater (R)
1968: Nixon (R) - Republican Primary (Reagan)
1972: Nixon (R) - Republican Primary (Ashbrook)
1976: Ford (R) - Republican Primary (Reagan)
1980: Reagan (R)
1884: Reagan (R)
1988: Bush (R)
1992: Perot (I) - Republican Primary (write-in Perot)
1996: Dole (R) - Republican Primary (Lugar)
2000: Bush (R)
2004: Bush (R)
2008: McCain (R) - Republican Primary (Huckabee)

The one Democrat you would vote for in the modern era is the evil Harry Truman?

Sorry, but Nixon was the only evil president.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Revised edition!

1789: Clinton (R)
1792: Jefferson (R)
1796: Jefferson (R)
1800: Jefferson (R)
1804: Jefferson (R)
1808: Madison (R)
1812: Madison (R)
1816: Monroe (R)
1820: Monroe (R)
1824: Jackson (D)
1828: Jackson (D)
1832: Jackson (D)
1836: Harrison (W)
1840: Harrison (W)
1844: Polk (D)
1848: Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852: Hale (Free Soil)
1856: Fillmore (W)
1860: Lincoln (R)
1864: Lincoln (R)
1868: Grant (R)
1872: Greeley (Liberal Republican)
1876: Tilden (R)
1880: Hancock (D)
1884: Cleveland (D)
1888: Cleveland (D)
1892: Cleveland (D)
1896: McKinley (R)
1900: McKinley (R)
1904: Parker (D)
1908: Taft (R)
1912: Taft (R)
1916: Hughes (R)
1920: Harding (R)
1924: Coolidge (R)
1928: Hoover (R)
1932: Harvey (Liberty)
1936: Lemke (Union)
1940: NOTA
1944: NOTA
1948: Truman (D) - Republican Primary (Taft)
1952: Eisenhower (R) - Republican Primary (Taft)
1956: Eisenhower (R)
1960: Nixon (R)
1964: Goldwater (R)
1968: Nixon (R) - Republican Primary (Reagan)
1972: Nixon (R) - Republican Primary (Ashbrook)
1976: Ford (R) - Republican Primary (Reagan)
1980: Reagan (R)
1884: Reagan (R)
1988: Bush (R)
1992: Perot (I) - Republican Primary (write-in Perot)
1996: Dole (R) - Republican Primary (Lugar)
2000: Bush (R)
2004: Bush (R)
2008: McCain (R) - Republican Primary (Huckabee)

The one Democrat you would vote for in the modern era is the evil Harry Truman?

Sorry, but Nixon was the only evil president.

No, Truman and Johnson were definitely evil. Possibly more evil in the latter case.

[tpfkaw]

It's just our luck that in the 20th century that we got 3 sociopaths in a row for President.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

It's just our luck that in the 20th century that we got 3 sociopaths in a row for President.

Kennedy/Ford was a sociopath? Or are you refering to a different streak?

[tpfkaw]

It's just our luck that in the 20th century that we got 3 sociopaths in a row for President.

Kennedy/Ford was a sociopath? Or are you refering to a different streak?

Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

It's just our luck that in the 20th century that we got 3 sociopaths in a row for President.

Kennedy/Ford was a sociopath? Or are you refering to a different streak?

Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon

Johnson and Nixon I understand, but what's your beef with Kennedy?

[feeblepizza]

It's just our luck that in the 20th century that we got 3 sociopaths in a row for President.

Kennedy/Ford was a sociopath? Or are you refering to a different streak?

Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon

Johnson and Nixon I understand, but what's your beef with Kennedy?

Kennedy was probably one of our most social presidents. What IS your beef with him?

[Vepres]

You could make the case that Kennedy was a narcissist (he did run for President ), but I wouldn't call him a sociopath.

[tpfkaw]

Kennedy was willing to risk ending human civilization in order to make himself look slightly more tough on foreign policy.  He spent his entire life as a non-stop pleasure party while everyone else did the heavy lifting and the hard work for him.  If he wasn't a sociopath, he almost certainly was something along that spectrum - at least Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

[tpfkaw]

Anyways:

(I'll indicate where I would change my vote with hindsight or where I would change my vote in a ranked voting system).  I'm also only doing candidates who were on the ballot or were qualified write-in candidates in Massachusetts.

1789:  Uhh . . . George Washington (independent Federalist)
1792:  Uhh . . . George Washington (independent Federalist)
1796: Thomas Jefferson (Republican)
1800: Thomas Jefferson (Republican)
1804: Thomas Jefferson (Republican)
1808: James Madison (Republican)
1812: DeWitt Clinton (Federalist)
1816: James Monroe (Republican)
1820: Uhh . . . James Monroe (Republican)
1824: William Crawford (Republican)
1828: Andrew Jackson (Andrew Jackson Party)
1832: Andrew Jackson (Democratic)
1836: Daniel Webster (Mass. Whig)
1840: James Birney (Liberty)
1844: James Birney (Liberty)
1848: Martin Van Buren (Free Soil)
1852: Daniel Webster (Union)
1856: John Fremont (Republican)
1860: John Bell (Constitutional Union)
1864: George McClellan (Democratic)
1868: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1872: Charles O'Conor (Straight-Out Democrat)
1876: Samuel Tilden (Democratic)
1880: Winfield Hancock (Democratic)
1884: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1888: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1892: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1896: John Palmer (National Democratic)
1900: William McKinley (Republican)
1904: Alton Parker (Democratic)
1908: William Taft (Republican)
1912: William Taft (Republican)
1916: Charles Hughes (Republican)
1920: Warren Harding (Republican)
1924: Calvin Coolidge (Republican)
1928: Al Smith (Democratic)
1932: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1936: Alf Landon (Republican)
1940: Wendell Willkie (Republican)
1944: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
1948: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
1952: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
1956: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
1960: Richard Nixon (Republican)
1964: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1968: Richard Nixon (Republican)  With hindsight: Eugene McCarthy (independent)
1972: George McGovern (Democratic)  With ranked voting: John Schmitz (American)
1976: Genuinely undecided, lean Jimmy Carter (Democratic)  With ranked voting: Roger MacBride (Libertarian)
1980: Ronald Reagan (Republican)  With ranked voting: Ed Clark (Libertarian)
1984: Ronald Reagan (Republican)  With ranked voting: David Bergland (Libertarian)
1988: George Bush (Republican)  With ranked voting: Ron Paul (Libertarian)
1992: Ross Perot (independent)  With ranked voting: Andre Marrou (Libertarian)
1996: Bob Dole (Republican)  With ranked voting: Harry Browne (Libertarian)
2000: George Bush (Republican)  With hindsight or ranked voting: Harry Browne (Libertarian)
2004: John Kerry (Democratic)  With ranked voting: Michael Badnarik (Libertarian)
2008: Bob Barr (Libertarian)

Yes, I occasionally would have supported unsavory characters.  I try to consider the candidates based on their platforms, not their personalities, and in the case of several evils I try to choose the least of them.  That does not imply I endorse their entire platform or take issue with the entire platform of other candidates, nor does it imply that I have a high opinion of the person.  I've bolded the candidates whom I have a high personal opinion of.

[Sewer]

Thanks for confirming that you have a fake PM score, wormyguy.

[tpfkaw]

Thanks for confirming that you have a fake PM score, wormyguy.

If I felt like having a fake PM score, it would certainly be +10, -10.  I can defend any one of those votes from a libertarian position, even if (in many cases), it's simply a vote for the lesser of two evils.

[Sewer]

There is no way a Jackson, Van Buren (1836), Nixon, Schmitz, Reagan, Bush voter has a lower social score then me.

[tpfkaw]

There is no way a Jackson, Van Buren (1836), Nixon, Schmitz, Reagan, Bush vote has a lower Social score then me.

I didn't know you were such a big fan of slavery.

Jackson: tariff & national bank

Van Buren: tariff & slavery

Nixon: anti-war platform (also was no more or less of a social liberal than his opponents)

Schmitz: anti-war, civil liberties, economic freedom.  A real creep personally, but had the best platform.  You may note that my unranked vote is for McGovern.

Reagan: taxes & entitlement programs

Bush: ditto

[Sewer]

Too get a that low of a social score you need to put "This is a critical issue to me.".

I didn't know you were such a big fan of slavery.

[tpfkaw]

To get my economic score you need to put "this is a critical issue to me."  No politicians are advocating the legalization of prostitution, for example, so whatever its criticality to me, and I do find it important, it's irrelevant to how I'm going to vote.  Van Buren was the only anti-slavery candidate in 1836.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

To get my economic score you need to put "this is a critical issue to me."  No politicians are advocating the legalization of prostitution, for example, so whatever its criticality to me, and I do find it important, it's irrelevant to how I'm going to vote.  Van Buren was the only anti-slavery candidate in 1836.

Van Buren didn't become anti-slavery until after his presidency. It wasn't really an issue in the election - if it had been you'd have seen a North-South split. (Webster was anti-slavery, though the Whigs only put him on the ballot in Mass.)
Andrew Jackson was more pro-slavery than either Clay or Adams.

[tpfkaw]

I forgot about Webster in 1836.  List amended with my favorite politician of the period.  Van Buren still was more anti-slavery than his other Whig opponents.  Jackson, Adams, and Clay all had the exact same position on slavery.

[Sewer]

Jackson: Indian removal

Van Buren: Indian removal, not really anti tariff (voted for tariff of abominations)

Nixon: not anti-war at all, big backer of War on Drugs, corrupt as hell, Vietnam, Cambodia, Chilean coup

Schmitz: so messed up

Reagan: Iran–Contra, Iran–Iraq War bullsh**t, let the social cons led the Republican, Escalation of the Cold War, even more War on Drugs, other war stuff, deficits

Bush: PATRIOT Act, Iraq, Afghanistan, deficits

[tpfkaw]

Indian Removal did occur under Jackson and Van Buren, but it must be remembered that 1. it's not like Jackson and Van Buren's political opponents had modern, enlightened views vis-a-vis the Indians, and 2. the Indians would have likely been exterminated by settlers had they not been relocated.  Jackson and Van Buren also didn't have the bizarre obsessions with taking away free speech rights and/or getting into fights with random foreign countries that typified their political opponents.

Van Buren changed his mind on tariffs.

Hence why I change my vote for Nixon to one for McCarthy in hindsight.

Schmitz was messed up - but look at Grover Cleveland (and his opponents!).  I decided to make my list by giving each candidate's platform a fair shake, and Schmitz's was closest to mine in 1972.  To be honest, I likely still wouldn't vote for him, but judging simply by the standards of their political platforms, his was the best.

Reagan spent 8 years in office with remarkably little foreign intervention for a 20th-century president.  Nobody "let the social cons lead the Republicans."  If anything, that happened after 1996.  It's not like Carter or Mondale opposed the War on Drugs.  I don't know who the last president to run mainly surpluses was - Coolidge?  In any case, there would not be an economic conservative movement in the US today without Reagan, so he's a necessary evil for my goals.

Hence why I change my vote to Browne (Vice-President Lieberman after 9/11 scares me, especially if they succeed in flying a plane into the White House . . .) in 2000 with hindsight, and choose Kerry in '04.  You may recall that Bush campaigned on a "humble foreign policy."

[Sewer]

Reagan spent 8 years in office with remarkably little foreign intervention for a 20th-century president.

what

You may recall that Bush campaigned on a "humble foreign policy."

You would of fell for that?

[Phony Moderate]

Democratic Primaries:

(Unenthusiastic (or "lesser of the evils") votes are in italics)

1960: Wayne Morse
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson
1968: Robert F. Kennedy
1972: Shirley Chisholm
1976: Sargent Shriver
1980: Edward Kennedy
1984: George McGovern
1988: Jesse Jackson
1992: Jerry Brown
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: Bill Bradley
2004: Dennis Kucinich
2008: Dennis Kucinich

Republican Primaries:

(Unenthusiastic (or "lesser of the evils") votes are in italics)

1960: Nelson Rockefeller
1964: Harold Stassen
1968: Harold Stassen
1972: Pete McCloskey
1976: Harold Stassen
1980: Harold Stassen
1984: Harold Stassen
1988: Harold Stassen
1992: Harold Stassen
1996: Harold Stassen
2000: John McCain
2004: Lincoln Chafee
2008: Ron Paul

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Democratic Primaries:

(Unenthusiastic (or "lesser of the evils") votes are in italics)

1960: Wayne Morse
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson
1968: Robert F. Kennedy
1972: Shirley Chisholm
1976: Sargent Shriver
1980: Edward Kennedy
1984: George McGovern
1988: Jesse Jackson
1992: Jerry Brown
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: Bill Bradley
2004: Dennis Kucinich
2008: Dennis Kucinich

Republican Primaries:

(Unenthusiastic (or "lesser of the evils") votes are in italics)

1960: Nelson Rockefeller
1964: Harold Stassen
1968: Harold Stassen
1972: Pete McCloskey
1976: Harold Stassen
1980: Harold Stassen
1984: Harold Stassen
1988: Harold Stassen
1992: Harold Stassen
1996: Harold Stassen
2000: John McCain
2004: Lincoln Chafee
2008: Ron Paul

Chafee never even ran for president.

[Phony Moderate]

Democratic Primaries:

(Unenthusiastic (or "lesser of the evils") votes are in italics)

1960: Wayne Morse
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson
1968: Robert F. Kennedy
1972: Shirley Chisholm
1976: Sargent Shriver
1980: Edward Kennedy
1984: George McGovern
1988: Jesse Jackson
1992: Jerry Brown
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: Bill Bradley
2004: Dennis Kucinich
2008: Dennis Kucinich

Republican Primaries:

(Unenthusiastic (or "lesser of the evils") votes are in italics)

1960: Nelson Rockefeller
1964: Harold Stassen
1968: Harold Stassen
1972: Pete McCloskey
1976: Harold Stassen
1980: Harold Stassen
1984: Harold Stassen
1988: Harold Stassen
1992: Harold Stassen
1996: Harold Stassen
2000: John McCain
2004: Lincoln Chafee
2008: Ron Paul

Chafee was never a candidate for the presidency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in_candidate