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« Reply #650 on: April 28, 2012, 10:48:51 am »
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Mecha: You are aware that John Frémont was a murderer:

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In June 1846, at San Rafael mission, John Frémont sent three men, one of which was Kit Carson, to confront three unarmed men debarking from a boat at Point San Pedro. Kit Carson asked John Frémont whether they should be taken prisoner. Frémont replied, "I have got no room for prisoners." They then advanced on the three and deliberately shot and killed them. One of them was an old and respected Californian, Don Jose R. Berreyesa, whose son was the Alcalde of Sonoma who had been recently imprisoned by Frémont. The two others were twin brothers and sons of Don Francisco de Haro of Yerba Buena, who had served two terms as the first and third Alcalde of Yerba Buena (later named San Francisco).

The banksters of course waged the same sort of press campaign against Jackson as they would against a hypothetical President Ron Paul, but I'd expect you at least not to fall for that...

Oh right, so the banksters lied about Andrew Jackson giving State's Rights the finger in the Nullification Crisis, forcibly moving tens of thousands of people halfway across the country, and expanding the Spoils System that would lead to "appointment by familiarity" instead of appointment by qualification?

The two things Andrew Jackson did right was advocating universal white male suffrage and disabling the National Bank.  Doesn't exactly make him a Wilson (quite the opposite in a way actually), but not exactly a Coolidge either.
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« Reply #651 on: April 28, 2012, 10:52:36 am »
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FF, on balance.  He didn't "try to subvert American Democracy and turn it into American Monarchy" (which would be a good thing), in fact he created the notion that everything ought to be put to a popular referendum (his main long-term negative legacy besides his violent assault on states' rights).  The retarded Whig attack was because he (horrors of horrors) vetoed bills favored by the Whigs (all such bills were of the authoritarian dipsh**ttery category).

If it were not for Indian Removal (carried out under Van Buren, not Jackson) the Georgia militia (which outnumbered the US standing army of the time) would've massacred the five civilized tribes.  It was clearly the lesser evil, and the "third option" was not really an option (which is why it's only recent historians who've decided to passive-aggressively attack him on that even though it's really his economic policies they dislike).  Furthermore, several other POTUSes (most notably Lincoln and Grant) pursued much more violent policies towards the Indians than Jackson.

The spoils system was mostly Van Buren, but having the federal bureaucracy be easily bribed and replaced every few years was a (relative) good thing.
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« Reply #652 on: May 10, 2012, 05:56:37 pm »
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1789: George Washington
1792: George Washington
1796: Thomas Jefferson
1800: Thomas Jefferson
1804: Thomas Jefferson
1808: James Madison
1812: James Madison
1816: James Monroe
1820: James Monroe
1824: John Quincy Adams
1828: John Quincy Adams
1832: William Wirt
1836: Martin Van Buren
1840: Martin Van Buren
1844: James K. Polk
1848: Zachary Taylor
1852: Winfield Scott
1856: John C. Fremont
1860: Abraham Lincoln
1864: Abraham Lincoln
1868: Ulysses S. Grant
1872: Ulysses S. Grant
1876: Rutherford B. Hayes
1880: James A. Garfield
1884: Grover Cleveland
1888: Grover Cleveland
1892: Grover Cleveland
1896: William McKinley
1900: William McKinley
1904: Alton B. Parker
1908: William Howard Taft
1912: William Howard Taft
1916: Charles Evans Hughes
1920: Warren G. Harding
1924: Calvin Coolidge
1928: Al Smith
1932: Herbert Hoover (or stay home...)
1936: Alf Landon
1940: Wendell Willkie
1944: Thomas Dewey
1948: Thomas Dewey
1952: Dwight D. Eisenhower
1956: Dwight D. Eisenhower
1960: John F. Kennedy
1964: Barry Goldwater
1968: Richard Nixon
1972: George McGovern
1976: Gerald Ford
1980: Ronald Reagan
1984: Ronald Reagan
1988: Ron Paul
1992: George H.W Bush
1996: Ross Perot
2000: George W. Bush
2004: Michael Badnarik
2008: Chuck Baldwin
2012: Mitt Romney
2016: Rand Paul (hopefully)
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« Reply #653 on: May 10, 2012, 10:29:58 pm »
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1932: Franklin Roosevelt
1936: Franklin Roosevelt
1940: Franklin Roosevelt
1944: Franklin Roosevelt
1948: Harry Truman

1952: Dwight Eisenhower
1956: Dwight Eisenhower

1960: John F. Kennedy
1964: Lyndon Johnson
1968: Hubert Humphrey
1972: George McGovern
1976: Jimmy Carter (Brown in Primary)
1980: Jimmy Carter (Kennedy in Primary)
1984: Walter Mondale
1988: Michael Dukakis
1992: Bill Clinton (Brown in Primary)
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: Al Gore
2004: John Kerry (Dean in Primary)
2008: Barack Obama (Clinton in Primary)
2012: Barack Obama
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« Reply #654 on: May 13, 2012, 12:08:22 am »
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1789: Washington
1792: Washington
1796: Adams
1800: Adams
1804: Pinckney
1808: Pinckney
1812: Clinton (and this would be the only time someone with that surname would get my vote)
1816: King
1820: Quincy Adams
1824: Quincy Adams
1828: Quincy Adams
1832: Clay
1836: Harrison
1840: Harrison
1844: Clay
1848: Taylor
1852: Scott (even though I'm from NH and Pierce is running)
1856: Fremont
1860: Lincoln
1864: Lincoln
1868: Grant
1872: Grant
1876: Hayes
1880: Garfield
1884: Blaine
1888: Harrison
1892: Harrison
1896: McKinley
1900: McKinley
1904: Roosevelt
1908: Taft
1912: Taft or Roosevelt
1916: Hughes
1920: Harding
1924: Coolidge
1928: Hoover
1932: Hoover
1936: Landon
1940: Willkie
1944: Dewey
1948: Dewey
1952: Taft in primary, Eisenhower in general
1956: Eisenhower
1960: Nixon but Kennedy was good too
1964: Goldwater
1968: Nixon
1972: Nixon
1976: Ford
1980: Reagan or Bush in primary, Reagan in general
1984: Reagan
1988: Bush
1992: Bush
1996: Dole
2000: McCain in primary, Bush in general
2004: Bush
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« Reply #655 on: May 13, 2012, 09:39:35 pm »
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1789: George Washington
1792: George Washington
1796: John Adams
1800: John Adams
1804: Thomas Jefferson (w/o an Adams on the ticket, I'd vote Democratic-Republican)
1808: James Madison
1812: James Madison
1816: James Monroe
1820: No Candidate (Federalist, I'd change party out of a fear of slavery spreading under Monroe)
1824: John Quincy Adams
1828: John Quincy Adams
1832: Henry Clay
1836: Daniel Webster
1840: William Henry Harrison
1844: Henry Clay
1848: Martin Van Buren (as a Free-Soiler)
1852: Winfield Scott
1856: John C. Fremont
1860: Abe Lincoln
1864: Abe Lincoln
1868: Ulysses S. Grant
1872: Ulysses S. Grant
1876: Peter Cooper (Greenback Party)
1880: James A. Garfield
1884: Grover Cleveland (first time voting Democratic Party)
1888: Grover Cleveland
1892: Grover Cleveland
1896: William Jennings Bryan
1900: William Jennings Bryan
1904: Teddy Roosevelt
1908: Eugene V. Debs
1912: Teddy Roosevelt
1916: Woodrow Wilson
1920: Eugene V. Debs
1924: Robert La Follette
1928: Al Smith
1932: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1948: Harry Truman
1952: P: W. Averell Harriman G: Adlai Stevenson
1956: P: W. Averell Harriman G: Adlai Stevenson
1960: P: John F. Kennedy G: John F. Kennedy
1964: Lydon B. Johnson
1968: P: Robert Kennedy, then Eugene McCarthy G: Hubert Humphry
1972: P: George McGovern G: George McGovern
1976: P: Mo Udall G: Jimmy Carter
1980: P: Ted Kennedy G: Jimmy Carter
1984: P: Walter Mondale G: Walter Mondale
1988: P: Michael Dukakis G: Michael Dukakis
1992: P: Tom Harkin G: Bill Clinton
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: P: Bill Bradley G: Al Gore
2004: P: Howard Dean G: John Kerry
2008: P: Barack Obama G: Barack Obama
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« Reply #656 on: May 17, 2012, 11:22:51 pm »
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1904: T. Roosevelt
1908:  Bryan
1912: T. Roosevelt
1916: Hughes
1920: Harding
1924: Coolidge
1928: Smith (possibly Hoover as the republican party was very different back then)
1932: FDR
1936: FDR
1940: FDR
1944: FDR
1948: Truman
1952: Eisenhower (maybe Stevenson not knowing Eisenhower would be moderate.)
1956: Eisenhower
1960: Kennedy
1964: Johnson
1968: Humphrey (Kennedy or McCarthy in the primary)
1972: McGovern
1976: Proably Carter,  definitely Ford in retrospect
1980: Carter (to stop Reagan) (Kennedy in the primary)
1984: Mondale (Proably Hart in the primary)
1988: Dukakis
1992: Clinton (Proably Tsongas or Brown in the primary)
1996: Clinton

Actual Votes:
2000: Gore   (Gore in the primary as well)
2004: Kerry  (Dean in the primary)
2008  John McCain (Hillary Clinton in the primary)
2012  Will vote Barack Obama--
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« Reply #657 on: May 25, 2012, 10:48:47 am »
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Without hindsight:

1900: William Jennings Bryan (yeah, yeah, yeah....)
1904: Eugene V. Debs
1908: Eugene V. Debs
1912: Eugene V. Debs
1916: Woodrow Wilson (see Bryan....)
1920: Eugene V. Debs
1924: Robert La Follette
1928: Al Smith
1932: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1948: Henry Wallace
1952: Dwight Eisenhower
1956: Adlai Stevenson
1960: John F. Kennedy
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson
1968: Hubert Humphrey
1972: George McGovern
1976: Jimmy Carter
1980: Jimmy Carter
1984: Walter Mondale
1988: Michael Dukakis
1992: Bill Clinton
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: Al Gore
2004: John Kerry
2008: Barack Obama
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« Reply #658 on: May 25, 2012, 11:52:17 am »
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Without hindsight:

1900: McKinley
1904: Roosevelt
1908: Taft
1912: Taft
1916: Hughes
1920: Harding
1924: Coolidge
1928: Hoover
1932: Roosevelt
1936: Roosevelt
1940: Wilkie
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Dewey
1952: Eisenhower
1956: Eisenhower
1960: Kennedy
1964: Johnson
1968: Nixon
1972: Nixon
1976: Ford
1980: Reagan
1984: Reagan
1988: Bush
1992: Perot
1996: Perot
2000: Bush
2004: Bush
2008: Obama
2012: Romney
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« Reply #659 on: May 25, 2012, 11:20:02 pm »
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Without hindsight, if I had been me at the time:

Pre-1824: Republicans for state legislature
1824: Unpledged Republican
1828/1832: Andrew Jackson (Democratic)
1836/1840: Martin Van Buren (Democratic)
1844: James Polk (Democratic) (I imagine I'd be a very partisan Democrat, so probably not a Free Soiler).
1848: Martin Van Buren (Free Soil) (I *think* I'd be for Van Buren, since I'd be a big fan of his and he was the stronger ticket in MA, but like I said I'd be a very partisan Democrat)
1852: Franklin Pierce (Democratic)
1856: James Buchanan (Democratic)
1860: Stephen Douglas (Democratic)
1864: George McClellan (Democratic)
1868: Horatio Seymour (Democratic)
1872: Horace Greeley (Liberal Republican) (If I were involved with radical Democratic politics, I might write in Charles O'Conor)
1876: Samuel Tilden (Democratic)
1880: Winfield Scott (Democratic)
1884/1888/1892: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1896: John Palmer (Gold Democratic) (I'd find Bryan quite detestable, although I could certainly see party loyalty overcoming my misgivings here)
1900: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1904: Alton Parker (Democratic)
1908: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic)
1912: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)
1916: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic) (First term was very bad, but Charles Hughes supported all the bad things in his first term and more and seemed more eager to involve the US in WWI)
1920: Warren Harding (Republican) (I'd feel sick to my stomach voting for a Republican, but ol' WW forced my hand...)
1924: John Davis (Democratic) (Return to the party fold here, probably.  Could see myself going for favorite son Coolidge, though)
1928: Al Smith (Democratic) (The most enthusiastic vote I'd ever cast!)
1932: Franklin Roosevelt (Democratic)
1936: Alf Landon (Republican) (Once again, a Republican... eek!)
1940: Wendell Willkie (Republican) (I'd probably stop self-identifying as a Democrat when FDR was renominated the third time around)
1944: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
1948: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
1952: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
1956: Dwight Eisenhower (Republican) (Might go for Adlai this time, but unlikely)
1960: Richard Nixon (Republican) (Given my demographics there's a case for Kennedy but assuming I'm from the same family then definitely not, lol)
1964: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1968: Richard Nixon (Republican)
1972: Lean McGovern, I'd say.
1976: Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
1980: Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1984: David Bergland (Libertarian)
1988: Ron Paul (Libertarian)
1992: Tossup between Perot and Marrou
1996: Harry Browne (Libertarian)
2000: Harry Browne (Libertarian) (I'd have been tempted to vote for Bush though...)
2004: Michael Badnarik (Libertarian)
2008 Ron Paul (write-in)
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« Reply #660 on: May 25, 2012, 11:41:19 pm »
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1789: George Washington (No Party-VA)
1792: George Washington (No Party-VA)
1796: John Adams (Federalist-MA)
1800: John Adams (Federalist-MA)
1804: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic Republican-VA)
1808: James Madison (Democratic Republican-VA)
1812: James Madison (Democratic Republican-VA)
1816: James Monroe (Democratic Republican-VA)
1820: James Monroe (Democratic Republican-VA)
1824: John Q. Adams (Democratic Republican-MA)

1828: John Q. Adams (National Republican-MA)
1832: Henry Clay (National Republican-KY)

1836: Martin Van Buren (Democratic-NY)
1840: Martin Van Buren (Democratic-NY)
1844: James K. Polk (Democratic-TN)

1848: Martin Van Buren (Free Soil-NY)
1852: John Hale (Free Soil-NH)

1856: John Fremont (Republican-CA)
1860: Abraham Lincoln (Republican-IL)
1864: Abraham Lincoln (Republican/National Union-IL)
1868: Ulysses S. Grant (Republican-IL)

1872: Horace Greeley (Liberal Republican-NY)
1876: Peter Cooper (Greenback Labor-NY)
1880: James Weaver (Greenback Labor-IA)
1884: Benjamin Butler (Greenback Labor-MA)

1888: Alson Streeter (Union Labor-IL)
1892: James Weaver (Populist-IA)
1896: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic-NE)
1900: Eugene V. Debs (Social Democratic-IN)
1904: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican-NY)
1908: William H. Taft (Republican-OH)

1912: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive-NY)
1916: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic-NJ)
1920: Eugene V. Debs (Socialist-IN)
1924: Robert La Follette (Progressive-WI)
1928: Alfred Smith (Democratic-NY)
1932: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic-NY)
1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic-NY)
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic-NY)
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic-NY)
1948: Harry Truman (Democratic-MO)

1952: Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican-KS)
1956: Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican-KS)

1960: John F. Kennedy (Democratic-MA)
1964: Lyndon Johnson (Democratic-TX)
1968: Hubert Humphrey (Democratic-MN)

1972: Richard Nixon (Republican-CA)
1976: Jimmy Carter (Democratic-GA)
1980: Jimmy Carter (Democratic-GA)
1984: Walter Mondale (Democratic-MN)
1988: Michael Dukakis (Democratic-MA)
1992: Bill Clinton (Democratic-AR)
1996: Bill Clinton (Democratic-AR)
2000: Al Gore (Democratic-TN)
2004: John Kerry (Democratic-MA)
2008: Barack Obama (Democratic-IL)




Aside from changing my vote in 1800 to Adams, from Jefferson, this list is identical to my list I posted in late 2008. I'm pretty boring that way.
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« Reply #661 on: May 27, 2012, 10:21:09 am »
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not a fan of McGovern, Marokai?
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« Reply #662 on: May 27, 2012, 11:22:56 am »
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1789: George Washington (I)
1792: George Washington (I)

1796: Thomas Jefferson (DR)
1800: Thomas Jefferson (DR)
1804: Thomas Jefferson (DR)
1808: James Madison (DR)
1812: James Madison (DR)
1816: James Monroe (DR)
1820: James Monroe (DR)
1824: Henry Clay (DR)

1828: John Q. Adams (NR)
1832: Henry Clay (NR)
1836: Daniel Webster (W)
1840: William Harrison (W)
1844: Henry Clay (W)

1848: Martin van Buren (FS)
1852: Winfield Scott (W)
1856: John Fremont (R)
1860: Abraham Linclon (R)
1864: Abraham Lincoln (NU)
1868: Ulysses S. Grant (R)
1872: Ulysses S. Grant (R)
1876: Rutherford Hayes (R)
1880: James Garfield (R)

1884: Grover Cleveland (D)
1888: Benjamin Harrison (R)
1892: James B. Weaver (P)
1896: William J. Bryan (D)
1900: William J. Bryan (D)

1904: Theodore Roosevelt (R)
1908: William J. Bryan (D)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt (P)
1916: Woodrow Wilson (D)
1920: James M. Cox (D)
1924: Robert M. La Follette (P)
1928: Al Smith (D)
1932: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
1948: Harry Truman (D)

1952: Dwight Eisenhower (R)
1956: Dwight Eisenhower (R)

1960: John F. Kennedy (D)
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
1968: Hubert H. Humphrey (D)
1972: George McGovern (D)
1976: Jimmy Carter (D)
1980: Jimmy Carter (D)
1984: Walter Mondale (D)
1988: Michael Dukakis (D)

1992: Ross Perot (I)
1996: Bill Clinton (D)
2000: Al Gore (D)
2004: John Kerry (D)
2008: Barack Obama (D)
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1832: William Wirt (Anti Masonic-Maryland)/Amos Ellmaker (Anti Masonic-Pennsylvania)
Did the Anti-Masonics stand for something you like, or were the other candidates just worse?
A little of both.
Henry Clay was too much of an advocate for high tariffs (though admittedly still a lesser evil than Andrew Jackson, who I might've voted for in 1828 due to the "common man" rhetoric of the Democratic Party before revealing himself to be a giant psychotic A-Hole) and the National Bank for me to feel comfortable voting for him.  Plus, Masons scare the sh*t out of me.  Seriously dude, they like worship Baal owl idols or something.  They freaks.

I did a little bit of reading on the Anti-Mason Party. They agreed with Clay on those things. Tongue
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« Reply #664 on: May 27, 2012, 05:08:20 pm »
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not a fan of McGovern, Marokai?

More pro-Nixon than anti-McGovern.
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« Reply #665 on: May 27, 2012, 06:22:31 pm »
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1856: John Fremont (R)
1860: Abraham Linclon (R)
1864: Abraham Lincoln (NU)
1868: Ulysses S. Grant (R)
1872: Ulysses S. Grant (R)
1876: Rutherford Hayes (R)
1880: James Garfield (R)
1884: Grover Cleveland (D)
1888: Benjamin Harrison (R)
1892: James B. Weaver (P)
1896: William J. Bryan (D)
1900: William J. Bryan (D)
1904: Theodore Roosevelt (R)
1908: William J. Bryan (D)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt (P)
1916: Woodrow Wilson (D)
1920: James M. Cox (D)
1924: Robert M. La Follette (P)
1928: Al Smith (D)
1932: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
1948: Harry Truman (D)
1952: Dwight Eisenhower (R)
1956: Dwight Eisenhower (R)
1960: John F. Kennedy (D)
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
1968: Hubert H. Humphrey (D)
1972: George McGovern (D)
1976: Jimmy Carter (D)
1980: Jimmy Carter (D)
1984: Walter Mondale (D)
1988: Michael Dukakis (D)
1992: Ross Perot (I)
1996: Bill Clinton (D)
2000: Al Gore (D)
2004: John Kerry (D)
2008: Barack Obama (D)
2012: Barack Obama (D)
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« Reply #666 on: May 27, 2012, 11:10:58 pm »
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Once again, I'll comment that it's somewhat laughable if someone who isn't either a WASP or black to think they'd have been a Republican before 1920 or so.  19th-century Republicans were fond of calling out the police or other goons to billy-club you away from the polling stations.

(Assuming you got to the polling station, the fact that you deposited a pre-filled out non-secret ballot would have your evident English illiteracy swiftly mocked).
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« Reply #667 on: June 13, 2012, 06:53:03 pm »
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1904 - Parker
1908 - Taft
1912 - Taft
1916 - Hughes
1920 - Harding
1924 - Coolidge
1928 - Smith
1932 - Hoover
1936 - Landon
1940 - wouldn't have voted
1944 - Dewey
1948 - Dewey
1952 - Eisenhower
1956 - Eisenhower
1960 - Sullivan (constitution candidate)
1964 - Goldwater
1968 - Humphrey (protest Nixon)
1972 - McGovern
1976 - Ford
1980 - Carter
1984 - Bergland
1988 - Paul
1992 - Clinton
1996 - Clinton
2000 - Gore
2004 - Badnarik
2008 - Obama
2012 - Johnson


Democratic Primaries
1952 - Keefauver
1956 - Keefauver
1960 - Stevenson
1964 - Johnson
1968 - Mcarthy
1972 - Muskie
1976 - Jackson
1980 - Carter
1984 - Hart
1988 - Dukakis
1992 - Clinton
1996 - N/A
2000 - Bradley
2004 - Dean
2008 - Kucinich
2012 - N/A

Republican Primary
1952 - Eisenhower
1956 - N/A
1960 - Nixon, Reluctantly
1964 - Goldwater
1968 - Strassen
1972 - Mcloskley
1976 - Ford
1980 - Anderson
1984 - N/A
1988 - Dole
1992 - Buchanan (protest Bush)
1996 - Forbes
2000 - Forbes
2004 - N/A
2008 - Paul
2012 - Paul
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« Reply #668 on: June 15, 2012, 03:55:33 pm »
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Once again, I'll comment that it's somewhat laughable if someone who isn't either a WASP or black to think they'd have been a Republican before 1920 or so.  19th-century Republicans were fond of calling out the police or other goons to billy-club you away from the polling stations.

(Assuming you got to the polling station, the fact that you deposited a pre-filled out non-secret ballot would have your evident English illiteracy swiftly mocked).

McKinley actually did pretty well with Catholics and Lutherans, so you should adjust to say "before 1896 or so".
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« Reply #669 on: June 15, 2012, 04:36:44 pm »
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1832: William Wirt (Anti Masonic-Maryland)/Amos Ellmaker (Anti Masonic-Pennsylvania)
Did the Anti-Masonics stand for something you like, or were the other candidates just worse?
A little of both.
Henry Clay was too much of an advocate for high tariffs (though admittedly still a lesser evil than Andrew Jackson, who I might've voted for in 1828 due to the "common man" rhetoric of the Democratic Party before revealing himself to be a giant psychotic A-Hole) and the National Bank for me to feel comfortable voting for him.  Plus, Masons scare the sh*t out of me.  Seriously dude, they like worship Baal owl idols or something.  They freaks.

I did a little bit of reading on the Anti-Mason Party. They agreed with Clay on those things. Tongue

Well..............Masons are still freaky freak freaks.
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« Reply #670 on: June 17, 2012, 09:47:22 am »
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Once again, I'll comment that it's somewhat laughable if someone who isn't either a WASP or black to think they'd have been a Republican before 1920 or so.  19th-century Republicans were fond of calling out the police or other goons to billy-club you away from the polling stations.

(Assuming you got to the polling station, the fact that you deposited a pre-filled out non-secret ballot would have your evident English illiteracy swiftly mocked).

McKinley actually did pretty well with Catholics and Lutherans, so you should adjust to say "before 1896 or so".

McKinley got c. 30%, which was a huge improvement but nothing to call home about.

(Also, I should obviously have amended my statement to say that German-Americans were a swing group in that period).
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« Reply #671 on: June 17, 2012, 12:16:45 pm »
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Once again, I'll comment that it's somewhat laughable if someone who isn't either a WASP or black to think they'd have been a Republican before 1920 or so.  19th-century Republicans were fond of calling out the police or other goons to billy-club you away from the polling stations.

(Assuming you got to the polling station, the fact that you deposited a pre-filled out non-secret ballot would have your evident English illiteracy swiftly mocked).

McKinley actually did pretty well with Catholics and Lutherans, so you should adjust to say "before 1896 or so".

McKinley got c. 30%, which was a huge improvement but nothing to call home about.

(Also, I should obviously have amended my statement to say that German-Americans were a swing group in that period).

That, and it really helped that a bible thumping Prohibitionist Silverite was the Democratic nominee.

Within four years with the McKinley flirtation with Imperialism, a lot of the voters who held their noses and voted McKinley returned to the home base.

I would even say 1920 would be a bit premature guess of when large numbers of Catholics started becoming regular Republicans. I mean, even during the Coolidge years many Catholics were still staunch Democrats on the state and local levels of governance.

It has been only real recently (probably the 1970s or the 1980s or so) that it's become normal for there to be Catholic Republicans.  It was less weird for there to be Republican Southerners sooner than it was for there to be Republican Catholics (in general).

NOTE:  What I mean by "Republican Catholics" are Catholics who go as far as to register Republican, not necessarily Catholics voting for Republican Presidential nominees.
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« Reply #672 on: June 17, 2012, 09:57:54 pm »
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FTR, it's estimated McKinley may have gotten as mch as 45% of all Catholics, up quite much from the 20-25% that Harrison got in 1892.
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« Reply #673 on: June 17, 2012, 10:04:18 pm »
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FTR, it's estimated McKinley may have gotten as mch as 45% of all Catholics, up quite much from the 20-25% that Harrison got in 1892.

That's including German Catholics, who as noted earlier had very different voting habits (also, there's still no possible way he got that much, just looking at the map).
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« Reply #674 on: June 18, 2012, 10:33:57 am »
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FTR, it's estimated McKinley may have gotten as mch as 45% of all Catholics, up quite much from the 20-25% that Harrison got in 1892.

That's including German Catholics, who as noted earlier had very different voting habits (also, there's still no possible way he got that much, just looking at the map).

The 45% figure could be true is if there was a MASSIVE sitout by Irish Catholics.  In other words, you would need 1920 to happen.  Looking at the map this is a little inconclusive as Bryan seems to have gotten God numbers in the Rocky Mountain West while underperforming in the Northeast.

But, McKinley's appeal to Catholics shouldn't be underestimated.  A number of Catholics were advancing to the middle business class at the time after all.  On my previous point, some lace curtain middle/upper class Catholics might've voted McKinley in fear of Bryan's perceived left wing radicalism.
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