Should Cornwall receive home nation status?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I never knew Jones, Lloyd and Davies were all Welsh names. Although Lloyd does sound pretty Welsh now that I think of it.

[patrick1]

Bit of a tangent, but are there any quintessential Cornish surnames?  The Welsh have have Jones, Lloyd, Davies etc.- any common Cornish surnames?

"By the Tre. Poll. and Pen. you shall know the Cornish men"

Examples of a reasonably common Cornish name: Pollard

So we have the Cornish to blame for one Trevelyan;)  

To answer the question.  No.  Cornwall is an integrated part of England.

[patrick1]

I never knew Jones, Lloyd and Davies were all Welsh names. Although Lloyd does sound pretty Welsh now that I think of it.

Williams, which most would believe to be an English name, is Welsh in as well.

[patrick1]

Home nation status is the same as England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. As of now, Cornwall is considered no different from the rest of England. But when most people there say "England" they really mean England outside of Cornwall, they used to have their own language, they are mostly ethnically Celtic. It's quite similar to Wales in most ways. So I would support home nation status for Cornwall.

This is probably blasphemy in some circles but even the Irish are not mostly ethnically celtic.  DNA evidence suggests that the Irish and other British peoples for that matter are mostly descended from the paleolithic hunters gatherers who originally settled in the Isles.  The celts were basically a cultural overlay on the Irish population like the Normans in England and Ireland.  The most lasting "Celtic" element in Ireland is the Irish language which was the language of the Celtic invaders and eventually was adopted by the general populace.  The fetishing of all things Celtic occured in the 19th century abetted by the Romantic era and the quest to delineate themselves from the English overlords.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Williams, which most would believe to be an English name, is Welsh in as well.

Most names with an s on the end of what would otherwise be a first name are Welsh; Thomas, Hughes, Jenkins etc.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

This is probably blasphemy in some circles

Probably?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I knew that Ireland was inhabited long before the Celtic invasion but I assume that the original inhabitants were assimilated just like pretty much every other original inhabitant of Europe except the Basques. Of course that would explain red hair being much less common in Ireland.

[afleitch]

On the question of hair, I have jet black hair, a throwback to my Celtic (perhaps even pre-Celtic) ancestors, who lived on the Hebrides until about 150 when they moved to central Scotland for work. On my mothers side, with ancestors from Galway, Ireland, they also had black hair.

[minionofmidas]

Williams, which most would believe to be an English name, is Welsh in as well.

Most names with an s on the end of what would otherwise be a first name are Welsh; Thomas, Hughes, Jenkins etc.

Though it's a bit more complicated as such names occur in Englishmen without a Welsh connection - if you're called Thomas and you're an Englishman you`re likely to have Welsh ancestry, but by no means certain.
There`s also sometimes Welsh names made up of P and then a personal name, ie Probert.

[Platypus]

I always refer to my ancestors as "Welsh, Cornish, English and Scottish", so yes

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Though it's a bit more complicated as such names occur in Englishmen without a Welsh connection - if you're called Thomas and you're an Englishman you`re likely to have Welsh ancestry, but by no means certain.

Stop trying to complicate things
And to make things even more complicated some Welsh names are of Biblical origin.

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Which is basically the same as the names with the 's of the end, but less Anglicised.

Not just "p" either; the root word "ap" was also sometimes spelt "ab"; as in Bevan

[Platypus]

My favourite Welsh name: Freame.

My favourite Cornish name: Treloar.

[minionofmidas]

Though it's a bit more complicated as such names occur in Englishmen without a Welsh connection - if you're called Thomas and you're an Englishman you`re likely to have Welsh ancestry, but by no means certain.

Stop trying to complicate things
And to make things even more complicated some Welsh names are of Biblical origin.

And not just Welsh ones.

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Which is basically the same as the names with the 's of the end, but less Anglicised.[/quote]Exactly.

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That makes sense from what little I know of Welsh.

[Platypus]

Bartlett is another difficult one. It is more common in Cornwall then the rest of England, but has a strong French background.

Cornwall is the place the direct male anscestry I have leads to, and therefore last name-maybe my great great great great (...) great grandpa had a lot of kids?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

maybe my great great great great (...) great grandpa had a lot of kids?

In Cornwall? Yes. The gene pool be rather shallow out there

[Hitchabrut]

If theier will is strongly with the idea, then I support it.

[Platypus]

maybe my great great great great (...) great grandpa had a lot of kids?

In Cornwall? Yes. The gene pool be rather shallow out there

*whilst Morris dancing, 'accidentally' kicks Al in both shins and knees him in the nuts*

[Filuwaúrdjan]

*whilst Morris dancing, 'accidentally' kicks Al in both shins and knees him in the nuts*

Come on now... be nice... it was a joke about Cornwall that didn't involve sheep

Besides, Morris dancing should be a criminal offense

[Јas]

Decidedly not. Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland were previously independent kingdoms that were integrated into a single realm. Cornwall, on the other hand, has no such historical claim to home nation status (unless one considers the Dark Ages, which shouldn't really count anyway).

Northern Ireland was never an independent kingdom and has no historical basis as a seperate entity prior to partition.

And I know the language is dead now, but the same is basically true of Welsh, Gaelic and Irish. There are revival attempts of course, but no one really speaks those today as their main native tongue.

According to the 2002 Census, 2,180,101 people or 41.9% of the Irish population claimed ability to speak Irish. 331,047 (6.3%) claimed to speak Irish on a daily basis.

[Platypus]

Ode to Cornwall:

Oh, Cornwall, Cornwall, place with the end of land,
Cornwall, Cornwall, how I find you so dand,
ee, Cornwall, Cornwall, home of mines and sheep,
Cornwall, Cornwall, with sunshine, rain, hail, heat and sleet,
Cornwall, Cornwall, corny corny cornwall,
corny wally cornwally corn cornwall cornwall,
Cornwall, Cornwall, we've run out of things to say,
Cornwall, Cornwall, to brighten up Al's day,
But Cornwall, Cornwall, best of the British places (except Wales),
Cornwall, Cornwall, you've no inbred faces!
So Cornwall, Cornwall, we'll cherish the memories you give,
Cornwall, Cornwall, long may you live!