If Trump's presidency was to be ranked now, where would he be?

[Kingpoleon]

Nothing Trump has done yet has quite the same consequences as:

Expelling thousands upon thousands of Native Americans from their land in direct violation of a Supreme Court ruling, condemning many of them to their deaths on the walk to Oklahoma. (Thank you, President Jackson!)
Launching an insane landgrab war to try to steal a third of Mexico under false pretenses and false accusations of Mexican aggression. (Thank you, President Polk!)
Signing the Compromise of 1850, allowing southern slavehunters to drag escaped slaves back south into lifelong bondage and servitude. (Thank you, President Fillmore!)
The Kansas Nebraska Act, abolishing the Missouri Compromise Line and allowing slavery to exist in any territory that wanted it. (Thank you, President Pierce!)
Allowing seven states to secede from the Union with complete inaction and leaving it as a problem for his successor. (Thank you, President Buchanan!)
Trying to undermine Reconstruction and sabotaging Congress' efforts to grant rights to freedmen. (Thank you, President Johnson!)
The sheer scope of felonious and unethical activity the Harding Administration managed to get through in 2 and a half years (Trump's gunning for Harding's record, no doubt).
Inaction and apathy in the face of the gravest and greatest economic disaster in human history. (Herbert Hoover)
Launching an illegal war in Cambodia without Congressional approval or even knowledge that ended up leading to the deaths of literally millions of people. (Thank you, Richard Nixon!)
Illegally running guns to the Iranian revolutionary government to pay for illegally funding Nicaraguan death squads directly counter to Congress. (Thank you, Ronald Reagan!)
Launching a brutal war under false pretenses that destabilizes the Middle East to this day, a war of which we are still dealing with the consequences. (Thank you, George W. Bush!)

Let's keep some perspective here when we say that Trump is the worst, OK?

You literally did not mention the interment of an entire race of people, or the dozens upon dozens of horrible, horrible things Lyndon Johnson did.

[The Mikado]

Nothing Trump has done yet has quite the same consequences as:

Expelling thousands upon thousands of Native Americans from their land in direct violation of a Supreme Court ruling, condemning many of them to their deaths on the walk to Oklahoma. (Thank you, President Jackson!)
Launching an insane landgrab war to try to steal a third of Mexico under false pretenses and false accusations of Mexican aggression. (Thank you, President Polk!)
Signing the Compromise of 1850, allowing southern slavehunters to drag escaped slaves back south into lifelong bondage and servitude. (Thank you, President Fillmore!)
The Kansas Nebraska Act, abolishing the Missouri Compromise Line and allowing slavery to exist in any territory that wanted it. (Thank you, President Pierce!)
Allowing seven states to secede from the Union with complete inaction and leaving it as a problem for his successor. (Thank you, President Buchanan!)
Trying to undermine Reconstruction and sabotaging Congress' efforts to grant rights to freedmen. (Thank you, President Johnson!)
The sheer scope of felonious and unethical activity the Harding Administration managed to get through in 2 and a half years (Trump's gunning for Harding's record, no doubt).
Inaction and apathy in the face of the gravest and greatest economic disaster in human history. (Herbert Hoover)
Launching an illegal war in Cambodia without Congressional approval or even knowledge that ended up leading to the deaths of literally millions of people. (Thank you, Richard Nixon!)
Illegally running guns to the Iranian revolutionary government to pay for illegally funding Nicaraguan death squads directly counter to Congress. (Thank you, Ronald Reagan!)
Launching a brutal war under false pretenses that destabilizes the Middle East to this day, a war of which we are still dealing with the consequences. (Thank you, George W. Bush!)

Let's keep some perspective here when we say that Trump is the worst, OK?

You literally did not mention the interment of an entire race of people, or the dozens upon dozens of horrible, horrible things Lyndon Johnson did.

I also didn't mention Wounded Knee, Grover Cleveland breaking up the Pullman Strike at gunpoint resulting in dozens of deaths, or the US literally occupying the Dominican Republic for 8 years to force them to spend their budget on paying back their debts to the US at gunpoint. That list could be as long as you want it to be.

My main point was that most of Donald Trump's mistakes haven't killed people yet (yet being the key word), so how could he be at the bottom of the list?

[Kingpoleon]

Yes, but you included far lesser evils just because they happened to be done by Republicans.

[Yank2133]

Nothing Trump has done yet has quite the same consequences as:

Expelling thousands upon thousands of Native Americans from their land in direct violation of a Supreme Court ruling, condemning many of them to their deaths on the walk to Oklahoma. (Thank you, President Jackson!)
Launching an insane landgrab war to try to steal a third of Mexico under false pretenses and false accusations of Mexican aggression. (Thank you, President Polk!)
Signing the Compromise of 1850, allowing southern slavehunters to drag escaped slaves back south into lifelong bondage and servitude. (Thank you, President Fillmore!)
The Kansas Nebraska Act, abolishing the Missouri Compromise Line and allowing slavery to exist in any territory that wanted it. (Thank you, President Pierce!)
Allowing seven states to secede from the Union with complete inaction and leaving it as a problem for his successor. (Thank you, President Buchanan!)
Trying to undermine Reconstruction and sabotaging Congress' efforts to grant rights to freedmen. (Thank you, President Johnson!)
The sheer scope of felonious and unethical activity the Harding Administration managed to get through in 2 and a half years (Trump's gunning for Harding's record, no doubt).
Inaction and apathy in the face of the gravest and greatest economic disaster in human history. (Herbert Hoover)
Launching an illegal war in Cambodia without Congressional approval or even knowledge that ended up leading to the deaths of literally millions of people. (Thank you, Richard Nixon!)
Illegally running guns to the Iranian revolutionary government to pay for illegally funding Nicaraguan death squads directly counter to Congress. (Thank you, Ronald Reagan!)
Launching a brutal war under false pretenses that destabilizes the Middle East to this day, a war of which we are still dealing with the consequences. (Thank you, George W. Bush!)

Let's keep some perspective here when we say that Trump is the worst, OK?

You literally did not mention the interment of an entire race of people, or the dozens upon dozens of horrible, horrible things Lyndon Johnson did.

I also didn't mention Wounded Knee, Grover Cleveland breaking up the Pullman Strike at gunpoint resulting in dozens of deaths, or the US literally occupying the Dominican Republic for 8 years to force them to spend their budget on paying back their debts to the US at gunpoint. That list could be as long as you want it to be.

My main point was that most of Donald Trump's mistakes haven't killed people yet (yet being the key word), so how could he be at the bottom of the list?

Not exactly true.

http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-war-civilian-deaths-syria-577353

[wolfsblood07]

Personally I think he's done well so far.  It's too early to say for sure, but the key economic indicators are positive. 

[The_Doctor]

Personally I think he's done well so far.  It's too early to say for sure, but the key economic indicators are positive. 

“Personally, having shot myself in the foot multiple times and limping to the nearest waambulance, all is well.“

[pbrower2a]

Nine times five or five times nine. Your choice.

We have yet to see the damage -- but it could emerge in a preventable war or even in increased death rates.

We were twenty years away from a proletarian revolution when Obama took office, and maybe fifty years away when he got re-elected. Now we could be ten years away.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Nothing Trump has done yet has quite the same consequences as:

Expelling thousands upon thousands of Native Americans from their land in direct violation of a Supreme Court ruling, condemning many of them to their deaths on the walk to Oklahoma. (Thank you, President Jackson!)
Launching an insane landgrab war to try to steal a third of Mexico under false pretenses and false accusations of Mexican aggression. (Thank you, President Polk!)
Signing the Compromise of 1850, allowing southern slavehunters to drag escaped slaves back south into lifelong bondage and servitude. (Thank you, President Fillmore!)
The Kansas Nebraska Act, abolishing the Missouri Compromise Line and allowing slavery to exist in any territory that wanted it. (Thank you, President Pierce!)
Allowing seven states to secede from the Union with complete inaction and leaving it as a problem for his successor. (Thank you, President Buchanan!)
Trying to undermine Reconstruction and sabotaging Congress' efforts to grant rights to freedmen. (Thank you, President Johnson!)
The sheer scope of felonious and unethical activity the Harding Administration managed to get through in 2 and a half years (Trump's gunning for Harding's record, no doubt).
Inaction and apathy in the face of the gravest and greatest economic disaster in human history. (Herbert Hoover)
Launching an illegal war in Cambodia without Congressional approval or even knowledge that ended up leading to the deaths of literally millions of people. (Thank you, Richard Nixon!)
Illegally running guns to the Iranian revolutionary government to pay for illegally funding Nicaraguan death squads directly counter to Congress. (Thank you, Ronald Reagan!)
Launching a brutal war under false pretenses that destabilizes the Middle East to this day, a war of which we are still dealing with the consequences. (Thank you, George W. Bush!)

Let's keep some perspective here when we say that Trump is the worst, OK?

You literally did not mention the interment of an entire race of people, or the dozens upon dozens of horrible, horrible things Lyndon Johnson did.

I also didn't mention Wounded Knee, Grover Cleveland breaking up the Pullman Strike at gunpoint resulting in dozens of deaths, or the US literally occupying the Dominican Republic for 8 years to force them to spend their budget on paying back their debts to the US at gunpoint. That list could be as long as you want it to be.

My main point was that most of Donald Trump's mistakes haven't killed people yet (yet being the key word), so how could he be at the bottom of the list?

If you count ONLY bad outcomes to date, he wouldn't be. But once you start adding in things like net outcomes (good vs. bad), competence, success at their stated agenda, and probable outcomes of Trump's actions (or those of other recent Presidents) then he rapidly starts to slide to well below the bottom.

[Sir Mohamed]

At the top of course. Number one, and it isn’t even close. I mean, first of all, he was supposed to lose the election, but he won it big league. The knocked off 16 other candidates and then beat Crooked Hillary by 306 electoral votes. 306! The biggest since Reagan! He won by tremendous numbers in places that no other Republican had a chance to win. And the winning just continued after taking office. Right before the largest crowd in history. By far the largest in any inauguration. Nobody has ever seen anything like that. And then he just had the most successful first 100 days in history. There was no more active president in the history of the world. Only the fake media tries to undermine his unbelievable success by reporting fake news all over the place because they can’t handle all the winning on trade, the border, jobs, terrorism and healthcare. And this is just the start. Even by the end of four years, the American people will be sick and tired of all the winning. And Trump will be the most successful leader in world history. Nobody will come close. Believe me.

[Brittain33]

Next-to-last, above William Henry Harrison. By early August, James Garfield will also fall below him in the rankings.

[Phony Moderate]

Above Buchanan and Andrew Johnson, probably above Fillmore, Pierce and maybe Jackson too. Notable that most of these are Democrats.

Basically he's in the Harding class of presidents. Could go lower, probably won't go higher.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

35-40

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

It'd be awful difficult for any sane observer to put him outside the top 28 and likely outside of the top half if he continues at this pace. Watching "Get Me Roger Stone" made me realize he already has more than enough iconic events for the entire era to be told in a most glistening light where the man himself turns into the great symbol of prosperity and godliness that we have always longed for, far exceeding what Reagan ever meant. He'll probably end up recognized in the John Adams-tier in historical rankings. My subjective take is that that will be much too low as the Trump presidency will be much better than Adams, Polk, Jackson, Wilson, Eisenhower, Truman and much as I hate to admit it, Kennedy. Solidly behind Obama and Jefferson however.

Of course, it is much easier to just do this in the scope of the modern post-Watergate era, where he is probably a pretty clear second with my dearest condolences to President Carter's unfortunate circumstances not allowing him to squeeze ahead.

[The Mikado]

I fail to see how he ranks below Andrew Johnson on any criteria. Policy objectives? Congress stripped him of authority and took over his signature issue. Power? Johnson failed to even fire one of his own Secretaries because Congress passed the Tenute of Offices Act that prohibited firing a Secretary without Congressional approval. Johnson's term was an unmitigated disaster for the Democratic Party and the nation as a whole and effectively castrated executive power for a generation.

[BlueSwan]

Dead last and I'm serious about that.

[Yank2133]

Right now he's hovering between Carter and Hoover but not Buchanan losing the Union levels yet. I doubt though Trump will be a great or even good President at this point. The circumstances around him are too grave to warrant him being a good President.

Agreed.

Unless something changes, he is on pace to be a rather inconsequential president like Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.

[President Johnson]

Above James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce. Tied with Millard Fillmore and John Tyler.

[Inmate Trump]

At the top of course. Number one, and it isn’t even close. I mean, first of all, he was supposed to lose the election, but he won it big league. The knocked off 16 other candidates and then beat Crooked Hillary by 306 electoral votes. 306! The biggest since Reagan! He won by tremendous numbers in places that no other Republican had a chance to win. And the winning just continued after taking office. Right before the largest crowd in history. By far the largest in any inauguration. Nobody has ever seen anything like that. And then he just had the most successful first 100 days in history. There was no more active president in the history of the world. Only the fake media tries to undermine his unbelievable success by reporting fake news all over the place because they can’t handle all the winning on trade, the border, jobs, terrorism and healthcare. And this is just the start. Even by the end of four years, the American people will be sick and tired of all the winning. And Trump will be the most successful leader in world history. Nobody will come close. Believe me.

Best. Post. Ever.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Pretty bad. Definitely hovering close to FDR's first term as of now.

[The_Doctor]

Pretty bad. Definitely hovering close to FDR's first term as of now.

That term was an unmitigated disaster.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Please....he would be in last.

He can't be behind Buchanan, surely? I mean our country is nowhere near disintegrating.

You could say the same about the US in June 1857. When was when half the country was steaming mad and mortally insulted by a book that said "slavery is bad".

The country today is deeply divided. While the divide isn't only territorial, it has some strong territorial dimensions. With Trump posturing at the helm of our nation, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the US doesn't survive another 8 years.

[Kingpoleon]

Right now he's hovering between Carter and Hoover but not Buchanan losing the Union levels yet. I doubt though Trump will be a great or even good President at this point. The circumstances around him are too grave to warrant him being a good President.

Agreed.

Unless something changes, he is on pace to be a rather inconsequential president like Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.

Don't compare Ford's and Carter's respective Presidencies please.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Pretty bad. Definitely hovering close to FDR's first term as of now.

That term was an unmitigated disaster.

How

[Sir Mohamed]

At the top of course. Number one, and it isn’t even close. I mean, first of all, he was supposed to lose the election, but he won it big league. The knocked off 16 other candidates and then beat Crooked Hillary by 306 electoral votes. 306! The biggest since Reagan! He won by tremendous numbers in places that no other Republican had a chance to win. And the winning just continued after taking office. Right before the largest crowd in history. By far the largest in any inauguration. Nobody has ever seen anything like that. And then he just had the most successful first 100 days in history. There was no more active president in the history of the world. Only the fake media tries to undermine his unbelievable success by reporting fake news all over the place because they can’t handle all the winning on trade, the border, jobs, terrorism and healthcare. And this is just the start. Even by the end of four years, the American people will be sick and tired of all the winning. And Trump will be the most successful leader in world history. Nobody will come close. Believe me.

Best. Post. Ever.

LOL tanks

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

41st, probably. Above Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, and James Buchanan.