AP: Flynn to decline Senate Intel subpoena, will inovke the 5th later today

[Gass3268]

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[I Won - Get Over It]

https://apnews.com/aa3818ca3c844d46ad32bef19511ac73

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[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Following his lawyer's advice.  #smart

[Gass3268]

Now I hope they compel him to show up and do it in person.

[SoLongAtlas]

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

His past employment as a LTG and NSA during GWOT and his delay for cash during OIR certainly do apply here, declared war or not, GWOT and OIR can be construed as a public danger and an ongoing op (which it is). He will be the first to burn, I fully expect Manafort and Page, possibly Kushner to burn first before we get to Trump.

[Torie]

Following his lawyer's advice.  #smart

Well, that didn't take long did it? 

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Following his lawyer's advice.  #smart

Well, that didn't take long did it? 

Would you have advised him differently?

[Devout Centrist]

Not good!

[Torie]

Following his lawyer's advice.  #smart

Well, that didn't take long did it? 

Would you have advised him differently?

F no. That would arguably be malpractice.

[MasterJedi]

#lockhimup

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Following his lawyer's advice.  #smart

Well, that didn't take long did it? 

Would you have advised him differently?

F no. That would arguably be malpractice.

Exactly.  The omgz!!11  stuff here isn't necessary.  Any one with a brain knew this was coming.

[The_Doctor]

Can the FBI compel him to turn over the documents or get a warrant? Hmm. But definitely going to be interesting to see the hearing.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Can the FBI compel him to turn over the documents or get a warrant? Hmm. But definitely going to be interesting to see the hearing.

Oh they'll try but there will be moves to quash any subpoena for documents.

[Torie]

Documents are not covered by the 5th.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Documents are not covered by the 5th.

No but a legal battle will ensue, certainly.

[Torie]

Documents are not covered by the 5th.

No but a legal battle will ensue, certainly.

To the extent there is a claim of executive privilege, sure.

[KingSweden]

The 5th is the legally (and probably politically) prudent thing for him to do, and it is his right to invoke it.

Not honoring a subpoena seems like a bad idea though. Just show up and plead the Fiff for two hours, get it over with

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Documents are not covered by the 5th.

No but a legal battle will ensue, certainly.

To the extent there is a claim of executive privilege, sure.

White Houses are notorious for making such a claim for the docs belonging to former staffers.  The campaign docs may be trickier.

[Gass3268]

Documents are not covered by the 5th.

No but a legal battle will ensue, certainly.

To the extent there is a claim of executive privilege, sure.

Isn't he not protected now that he's been fired?

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Documents are not covered by the 5th.

No but a legal battle will ensue, certainly.

To the extent there is a claim of executive privilege, sure.

Isn't he not protected now that he's been fired?

Some of his testimony could be privileged and if the White House says, Docs XYZ are privileged, it can be fought but it's a tough win for the feds.

[Tintrlvr]

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

His past employment as a LTG and NSA during GWOT and his delay for cash during OIR certainly do apply here, declared war or not, GWOT and OIR can be construed as a public danger and an ongoing op (which it is). He will be the first to burn, I fully expect Manafort and Page, possibly Kushner to burn first before we get to Trump.

This relates to the requirement for a grand jury for capital crimes, not the right against self-incrimination.

[The_Doctor]

The Democrats must love this slow drip drip of revelations and stonewalling by Trump's people. Flynn looks guilty as hell without them lifting a finger and the Comey testimony is next week or this week. Meanwhile the Republican agenda is consumed by the RussiaGate controversy which may have crippled Trump for his first year or two (depending on how long Mueller takes).

Trump really needs to be completely exonerated here and quickly. Or found guilty so Pence can replace him.

[The_Doctor]

You can already tell that the Trump administration will get away with whatever it wants

Yeah sure. That's why there's no special counsel investigating it. That's why there isn't a grand jury convened to investigate Flynn. That's why Manafort isn't under criminal investigation by both the Feds and NY.

Your assumption that there is no political costs to this story continually running is erroneous. How long can the Senate not do this?

Republican leaders can hold out only so long in the face of 39% approval ratings, double digit Democratic leads in the Congressional ballot, and a President finding it very hard to move his agenda because of the constant bombshells by the two major institutions (CIA & FBI) that dog him. You're pretending there's this vast majority of silent voters who will continually reward Republicans with victories nonstop and brush this under the bush.

Our democracy amazingly works pretty well in the face of presidential malfeasance and judging when a scandal will be damaging enough or not.

[Virginiá]

The Democrats must love this slow drip drip of revelations and stonewalling by Trump's people. Flynn looks guilty as hell without them lifting a finger and the Comey testimony is next week or this week. Meanwhile the Republican agenda is consumed by the RussiaGate controversy which may have crippled Trump for his first year or two (depending on how long Mueller takes).

Trump really needs to be completely exonerated here and quickly. Or found guilty so Pence can replace him.

I do like slow drips on this, but what has transpired over the past ~11 days or so was anything but. That seemed like months of revelations being compacted into such a short time frame that one cancelled out the other.

[The Other Castro]

I'd rather the faucet be turned on full blast to wash away the grime once and for all.