Opinion of Winthrop Rockefeller

[TDAS04]

First Republican Governor of Arkansas since Reconstruction, Nelson's brother...

[Mr. Smith]

Lean FF, definitely better than his brother.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

True story: he once found Nixon's hotel room and started pounding on the door yelling "Dick! Dick! Come on out Dick!" during a campaign swing through Arkansas. Pat Buchanan, who was the only aide present, tried to take him down thinking he was a threat.

[Kingpoleon]

Massive FF. The greatest Governor of Arkansas ever, and a man who lived a life much bigger and greater than many, if not most, Presidents.

[RINO Tom]

FF, for sure!

[Sumner 1868]

Better than all his predecessors. Terrible family, though.

[Maxwell]

The Arkansas Rockefellers were the best Rockefellers.

[President Johnson]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

[Illiniwek]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

What do you like so much about Nelson? The mass incarceration, absurd spending increases, or his affairs? I think ol' Winny only comes close to him on one of those.

[Kingpoleon]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

What do you like so much about Nelson? The mass incarceration, absurd spending increases, or his affairs? I think ol' Winny only comes close to him on one of those.

None. Winthrop Rockefeller was twice the man his brother was, and Nelson Rockefeller was fifty times the man most politicians were and are.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

What do you like so much about Nelson? The mass incarceration, absurd spending increases, or his affairs? I think ol' Winny only comes close to him on one of those.

None. Winthrop Rockefeller was twice the man his brother was[...]

Understandable...

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...How? I know he was a weighty guy, but I didn't think that big...

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

What do you like so much about Nelson? The mass incarceration, absurd spending increases, or his affairs? I think ol' Winny only comes close to him on one of those.

None. Winthrop Rockefeller was twice the man his brother was[...]

Understandable...

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...How? I know he was a weighty guy, but I didn't think that big...

Poor Megan Marshank was caught under him for quite a while.

[Mr. Smith]

The Arkansas Rockefellers were the best Rockefellers.

Jay Rockefeller from WV says hello.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The Arkansas Rockefellers were the best Rockefellers.

Jay Rockefeller from WV says hello.

Beat me to it.

[President Johnson]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

What do you like so much about Nelson? The mass incarceration, absurd spending increases, or his affairs? I think ol' Winny only comes close to him on one of those.

Nelson is the very definition of a pragmatic politician who got things done. Socially liberal and economically moderate. Rocky was definitely one of the best governors in US history. Strongly pro civil-rights, donated to good causes, and passed an expansion of health-care, conservation, urban housing, transportation and and expansion of universities as governor. LBJ actually wanted him as successor in 1968, and I'm sure we would have been far better off with a President Rockefeller. He was probably the best president we never had.

I don't care about his affairs, because that doesn't make him a bad politician. FDR also had affairs and nobody doubts that he was a great leader. Same for JFK.

[RINO Tom]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

What do you like so much about Nelson? The mass incarceration, absurd spending increases, or his affairs? I think ol' Winny only comes close to him on one of those.

Your hatred of Nelson REALLY seems to go beyond ... Nelson.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

What do you like so much about Nelson? The mass incarceration, absurd spending increases, or his affairs? I think ol' Winny only comes close to him on one of those.

Your hatred of Nelson REALLY seems to go beyond ... Nelson.

I find the adoration of him hard to comprehend. There are far cleaner liberal Republicans to fawn over as paragons of muh progressive good government (my own preferences on the GOP left would be for, say, Mark Hatfield, Silvio Conte, even--for a later example--John Heinz, III). He offers little to either a legitimate leftist, or to someone who actually desires "fiscal responsibility". The 1970's under him would have been just as disastrous as, if not worse than, the dystopian decade this country actually experienced.

[RINO Tom]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

What do you like so much about Nelson? The mass incarceration, absurd spending increases, or his affairs? I think ol' Winny only comes close to him on one of those.

Your hatred of Nelson REALLY seems to go beyond ... Nelson.

I find the adoration of him hard to comprehend. There are far cleaner liberal Republicans to fawn over as paragons of muh progressive good government (my own preferences on the GOP left would be for, say, Mark Hatfield, Silvio Conte, even--for a later example--John Heinz, III). He offers little to either a legitimate leftist, or to someone who actually desires "fiscal responsibility". The 1970's under him would have been just as disastrous as, if not worse than, the dystopian decade this country actually experienced.

What I meant to say - and which now seems offbase, given your response, so I'm sorry - is that your hatred of him seems to go beyond the legitimate gripes you might have with some of his policies or specific decisions and seemed more to do with hating what he came to represent: the "Rockefeller Republican," which has come to symbolize elitism to some on "the right" of the GOP.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

What do you like so much about Nelson? The mass incarceration, absurd spending increases, or his affairs? I think ol' Winny only comes close to him on one of those.

Your hatred of Nelson REALLY seems to go beyond ... Nelson.

I find the adoration of him hard to comprehend. There are far cleaner liberal Republicans to fawn over as paragons of muh progressive good government (my own preferences on the GOP left would be for, say, Mark Hatfield, Silvio Conte, even--for a later example--John Heinz, III). He offers little to either a legitimate leftist, or to someone who actually desires "fiscal responsibility". The 1970's under him would have been just as disastrous as, if not worse than, the dystopian decade this country actually experienced.

What I meant to say - and which now seems offbase, given your response, so I'm sorry - is that your hatred of him seems to go beyond the legitimate gripes you might have with some of his policies or specific decisions and seemed more to do with hating what he came to represent: the "Rockefeller Republican," which has come to symbolize elitism to some on "the right" of the GOP.

I mean, that's undoubtedly a part of it as well, the same way some might despise certain other elected officials for what they represent--Reagan and Nixon being other obvious GOP examples.

[RINO Tom]

Massive FF like all Rockefeller politicans. But not as good as Nelson.

What do you like so much about Nelson? The mass incarceration, absurd spending increases, or his affairs? I think ol' Winny only comes close to him on one of those.

Your hatred of Nelson REALLY seems to go beyond ... Nelson.

I find the adoration of him hard to comprehend. There are far cleaner liberal Republicans to fawn over as paragons of muh progressive good government (my own preferences on the GOP left would be for, say, Mark Hatfield, Silvio Conte, even--for a later example--John Heinz, III). He offers little to either a legitimate leftist, or to someone who actually desires "fiscal responsibility". The 1970's under him would have been just as disastrous as, if not worse than, the dystopian decade this country actually experienced.

What I meant to say - and which now seems offbase, given your response, so I'm sorry - is that your hatred of him seems to go beyond the legitimate gripes you might have with some of his policies or specific decisions and seemed more to do with hating what he came to represent: the "Rockefeller Republican," which has come to symbolize elitism to some on "the right" of the GOP.

I mean, that's undoubtedly a part of it as well, the same way some might despise certain other elected officials for what they represent--Reagan and Nixon being other obvious GOP examples.

So, then, I find myself defending him for the exact opposite/same reason.  In isolation, I doubt I'd be this huge Rockefeller fan (seems pretty Bloombergy?), but I find the attacks on "Rockefeller Republicans" troublesome, especially when they're framed as any more elitist than your typical church-going evangelical in a suburb of Nashville, LOL.  I have never understood why social conservatism is less associated with elitism than social liberalism, especially given that it probably used to be the opposite.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Control of the media by a cosmopolitan elite (not to sound like a conspiracy theorist) is likely an easy thing to attribute that to.