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« on: May 23, 2017, 11:44:21 AM »
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     I hereby open the floor for debate.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2017, 03:01:40 PM »

I don't really see the need for an amendment that bans praising or criticizing other candidates in ballots.  I believe that the last amendment we passed with regards to this issue is sufficient.

Come to think of it, did the House ever take up that amendment?
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2017, 11:35:21 PM »

I don't have any problem with this law - it's important not because of the praising/criticizing amendment but because it creates an exemption for those residency and activity requirements that were invalidated by Cinyc v. North.
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2017, 01:42:25 PM »

I don't have any problem with this law - it's important not because of the praising/criticizing amendment but because it creates an exemption for those residency and activity requirements that were invalidated by Cinyc v. North.

     Indeed, this is the crux of the amendment. I would suggest amending it to get rid of the campaigning clause as a possible compromise, but we have spent far too much time already trying to put together this much needed amendment.
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2017, 01:11:15 AM »

Doing that.

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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2017, 01:24:03 AM »

I am almost choked to death when I saw your display name Scott. Tongue


I don't really see the need for an amendment that bans praising or criticizing other candidates in ballots.  I believe that the last amendment we passed with regards to this issue is sufficient.

Come to think of it, did the House ever take up that amendment?

What amendment is that?

I would advise against striking out a clause on the presumption of a prior amendment having passed.

To my knowledge, no such amendment has been ratified so that would be a good indication it has not been enacted.

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2017, 01:28:54 AM »

Also, you sliced something off PiT:
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2017, 01:31:07 AM »

My thanks to the Speaker for bringing this so swiftly to the floor, and to Representative 1184AZ for sponsoring this on my behalf.

The Voting Rights Amendment is the second take of an amendment previously considered by this body, revised to incorporate some changes Congress realized too late it wanted to make. The original bill was introduced by Southern citizen VirginiaC in response to the chaos of the October 2016 presidential election, which saw the certification of the results of the vote delayed for nearly a month thanks to ambiguities in the Bill of Rights.* The purpose of this resolution is to see that these events are never repeated by amending the Constitution to prohibit tomfoolery in the voting booth.

The changes proposed versus the current version of BR.4 are as follows:

   • "requirements for activity" changed to "frequent posting"
   • adds "as punishment for crimes" to the list of reasons for the suspension of one's voting rights
   • allows the SoFE to invalidate ballots...
            (a) posted in bizarre fonts and non-Latin alphabets (like this)
            (b) edited after 20 minutes (a safeguard against voter intimidation)
            (c) that promote or criticize a particular candidate/party/ticket
   • clarifies that everyone gets one vote, and only one vote

I would add that the House already approved most of this a few months ago; the one change is that the clause that previously required voters to post their ballots in English now requires them to post using the Latin alphabet (a change recommended by the Senate right before they realized they couldn't offer amendments to a bill they had already passed).

*Speaking of which, the description of this resolution contains a typo; this amends Section 4 of the Bill of Rights, not Section 4 of Article I.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2017, 01:34:14 AM »

I am almost choked to death when I saw your display name Scott. Tongue


I don't really see the need for an amendment that bans praising or criticizing other candidates in ballots.  I believe that the last amendment we passed with regards to this issue is sufficient.

Come to think of it, did the House ever take up that amendment?

What amendment is that?

I would advise against striking out a clause on the presumption of a prior amendment having passed.

To my knowledge, no such amendment has been ratified so that would be a good indication it has not been enacted.

...Whoops.  Sorry, I was confusing this for another amendment we passed for something else.  I feel like we've passed ten different voting-related amendments these past few months, so I get these confused. Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2017, 01:35:16 AM »

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=255115.msg5523517#msg5523517


https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=258879.0


The last attempt at this died in the Senate
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2017, 01:36:55 AM »

I am almost choked to death when I saw your display name Scott. Tongue


I don't really see the need for an amendment that bans praising or criticizing other candidates in ballots.  I believe that the last amendment we passed with regards to this issue is sufficient.

Come to think of it, did the House ever take up that amendment?

What amendment is that?

I would advise against striking out a clause on the presumption of a prior amendment having passed.

To my knowledge, no such amendment has been ratified so that would be a good indication it has not been enacted.

...Whoops.  Sorry, I was confusing this for another amendment we passed for something else.  I feel like we've passed ten different voting-related amendments these past few months, so I get these confused. Tongue

Well the last one was named after the section of the constitution, rather than something specific like Voting Rights and thus lends itself well to such mistakes.
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2017, 01:37:06 AM »

     Senators have 24 hours to object to the amendment proposed by Senator Scott above.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2017, 01:45:57 AM »

It would be ironic if this amendment were to be adopted without objection and the underlying result is that the underlying Amendment returns to the House and gets killed there just like the previous one got killed in the Senate. Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2017, 09:32:39 AM »

I'll object to the amendment. Rules against campaigning in the voting booth have historically not been a major problem, and I would prefer to pass this without modification so as to get it to the regions as quickly as possible.
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2017, 02:05:18 PM »

     Senators, please vote aye, nay, or abstain on the amendment.
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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2017, 02:42:39 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2017, 05:58:07 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2017, 07:40:26 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2017, 02:55:38 PM »

     Nay
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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2017, 12:44:40 AM »

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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2017, 09:30:46 PM »

     The amendment passes 3-2-1.
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2017, 05:53:24 PM »

     If there are no more comments, I will open a final vote in 24 hours.
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2017, 10:40:37 PM »

     I hereby open a final vote on this Amendment. Senators have 72 hours to vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2017, 08:09:56 AM »

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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2017, 01:29:44 PM »

     Aye
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