WaPo: Russian amb. told Moscow that Jared wanted secret communications w Kremlin

[ApatheticAustrian]

btw....the anonymous letter which was the start point for investigating about this topic was sent almost immediately after the meeting and seemed to have come from the transition team.


https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/868257153622134784


https://twitter.com/eorden/status/868257709816242177

[The_Doctor]

Read the last paragraphs of this.

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[Suburbia]

I'm increasingly convinced that Kushner needs to go (even to jail). He's been toxic in the White House and it's clear that his financial ties to Russia are sketchy. He probably couldn't get much out of the old man, so he went to Russians for foreign funding of his enterprises and in return connected Russian intelligence services to elements of the campaign. That is my current theory, based on what we actually know (of course, a lot of this is "anonymous sources").

The only way he'll be removed is if he goes to jail. It'll be worth it, assuming Trump's alleged cover-up to protect his son-in-law didn't occur. If Kushner is guilty, it is likely that the President might have actually covered it up to protect his son.

I'll be damned if any actual collusion outside of Kushner assigning contacts is ever proven. And no votes were hacked, as we pretty much all agree. The obstruction of justice stuff is where the most smoke is coming from as of late.

If Kushner goes to jail, his father went to jail. How so horrible.

[ApatheticAustrian]

god save the senate intelligence committee, the house version is teethless and useless.

[The_Doctor]

I'm increasingly convinced that Kushner needs to go (even to jail). He's been toxic in the White House and it's clear that his financial ties to Russia are sketchy. He probably couldn't get much out of the old man, so he went to Russians for foreign funding of his enterprises and in return connected Russian intelligence services to elements of the campaign. That is my current theory, based on what we actually know (of course, a lot of this is "anonymous sources").

The only way he'll be removed is if he goes to jail. It'll be worth it, assuming Trump's alleged cover-up to protect his son-in-law didn't occur. If Kushner is guilty, it is likely that the President might have actually covered it up to protect his son.

I'll be damned if any actual collusion outside of Kushner assigning contacts is ever proven. And no votes were hacked, as we pretty much all agree. The obstruction of justice stuff is where the most smoke is coming from as of late.

If Kushner goes to jail, his father went to jail. How so horrible.

Oh the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I'm increasingly convinced that Kushner needs to go (even to jail). He's been toxic in the White House and it's clear that his financial ties to Russia are sketchy. He probably couldn't get much out of the old man, so he went to Russians for foreign funding of his enterprises and in return connected Russian intelligence services to elements of the campaign. That is my current theory, based on what we actually know (of course, a lot of this is "anonymous sources").

The only way he'll be removed is if he goes to jail. It'll be worth it, assuming Trump's alleged cover-up to protect his son-in-law didn't occur. If Kushner is guilty, it is likely that the President might have actually covered it up to protect his son.

I'll be damned if any actual collusion outside of Kushner assigning contacts is ever proven. And no votes were hacked, as we pretty much all agree. The obstruction of justice stuff is where the most smoke is coming from as of late.

If Kushner goes to jail, his father went to jail. How so horrible.

Oh the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Which is part of the reason I suspect Trump doesn't respect Kushner much.

[SteveRogers]

Some people are speculating that the Russians could be purposely spreading disinformation just to screw with us.

If the Russians put this out there as part of a disinformation campaign, then they got one heck of a lucky break when Kushner decided on his own to make the meeting seem doubly suspicious by "accidentally" failing to disclose it in his security clearance firms.

[ApatheticAustrian]

counter-theory:

it is real AND the russians are spreading it.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

counter-theory:

it is real AND the russians are spreading it.

Regardless, Putin is probably the source of a lot of this. I think he wants to sow chaos period. And I won't blame him for that from a geopolitical perspective.

[The_Doctor]

I feel we need a grand and unified page to pull together all this information. It's like a (bad) Tom Clancy novel. Obviously there is a ton of smoke around a ton of facets that may lead to fire.

Kushner was also part of the data mining team which the FBI is now looking into.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Sanchez, I feel if Jared did something illegal his father in law would cover up for him, honestly. He can't cut family loose. Also the President will never cut the family from the White House because frankly that's who he relies on to run the White House.

I agree on obstruction of justice but in the first place we should examine why they went to great lengths to obstruct justice.

I don't see how you can get rid of Jared Kushner without getting rid of Donald Trump. The guy is literally the father of the President's grandchildren.

Sadly true. If he is convicted of anything while Trump is in office he will be pardoned in less than 24 hours.

Oh he'll walk out of the court like Scooter Libby with the pardon in hand. That isn't impossible, but I agree with TD. A pardon is an admission of guilt, and if Kushner endangers the Trump clan, he might be left dangling in the wind. Trump isn't known for being loyal to his aides, as Chris Christie can attest to. I don't view that as a flaw of course (flexibility is fine, as Obama noted to Medvedev) but it is what it is.

A pardon (if it even got to that level) would destroy Trump's presidency, and he knows it.

in which ways, if i may ask?

[The_Doctor]

Fresh bombshell:

Steve Kopack

Reuters EXCLUSIVE-KUSHNER HAD UNDISCLOSED CONTACTS, INCLUDING 2 PHONE CALLS, WITH RUSSIAN ENVOY BETWEEN APRIL AND NOVEMBER 2016 - SOURCES

[GeorgiaModerate]

It must be sweeps week.  The writers are pulling out all the stops.

[The_Doctor]

So can Jared be indicted on obfuscation on his SF-86 or are they waiting for more information to drop on him?

[EnglishPete]

Some people are speculating that the Russians could be purposely spreading disinformation just to screw with us.

No sh**t Sherlock. If you don't get that the news media (including now social media) has been full of disinformation stories planted by various domestic and foreign actors since forever then you don't understand the media. Of course the bulk of disinfo stories in any country's news media will be coming from that country's own security services, the various 3 letter agencies in the case of the US. Plenty of these disinfo stories will later go into the history books where they will be reported as historical facts.

[The Other Castro]

ITSNEWT

jk maybe it's Christie.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Reuters sources say Kushner's name was requested unmasked (by FBI?) in intercepted comms btw Flynn and the Russians
https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/868275547578740737

[The_Doctor]

Reuters story: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN18N018

[The_Doctor]

Stone making noise: https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/status/868272735075618817

[pbrower2a]

Some people are speculating that the Russians could be purposely spreading disinformation just to screw with us.

I see no reason for the Russian security services to hurt people loyal to them. What would they have to gain? I expect Putin to do what he thinks best for enhancing and projecting the power of Russia wherever and whenever possible.

This is simply ineptitude and corruption by Americans. The Russian security services are as adept as the old KGB that they succeeded, and they know how to exploit greed, vanity, gullibility, and the sex drive. Some, like Donald Trump, have so many flaws that they are easy to exploit. Just contrast Barack Obama, who seems to have modest desires for economic gain, who has no obvious hurt feelings or delusions of grandeur to salve, who is a tough person to fool, and who seems loyal in the extreme to his wife.

So maybe it has gone too far. Some times schemes go awry.

[The_Doctor]

It also seems dubious Jared would do all this without his father in law knowing, especially given Flynn and Page's extensive Russian contacts and Trump's own business ties to Russia.

Reagan knew about the ongoings of IranContra why not Trump about all this? There's no reason for Jared to otherwise contact the Russian ambassador. Couple this with everything else that's going on it seems highly improbable Trump didn't know.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

It also seems dubious Jared would do all this without his father in law knowing, especially given Flynn and Page's extensive Russian contacts and Trump's own business ties to Russia.

The question of Trump's knowledge isn't so much important as the question of his approval.

[The_Doctor]

It also seems dubious Jared would do all this without his father in law knowing, especially given Flynn and Page's extensive Russian contacts and Trump's own business ties to Russia.

The question of Trump's knowledge isn't so much important as the question of his approval.

See my edited post.

I don't know if this makes sense but if he knew wouldn't multiple meetings imply approval of said meetings?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

It also seems dubious Jared would do all this without his father in law knowing, especially given Flynn and Page's extensive Russian contacts and Trump's own business ties to Russia.

The question of Trump's knowledge isn't so much important as the question of his approval.

See my edited post.

I don't know if this makes sense but if he knew wouldn't multiple meetings imply approval of said meetings?

There were only two meetings between April-November, no? I've just got off the phone with another (well former) poster who I spent an hour talking with. I've missed a lot of the new developments.

[The_Doctor]

It also seems dubious Jared would do all this without his father in law knowing, especially given Flynn and Page's extensive Russian contacts and Trump's own business ties to Russia.

The question of Trump's knowledge isn't so much important as the question of his approval.

See my edited post.

I don't know if this makes sense but if he knew wouldn't multiple meetings imply approval of said meetings?

There were only two meetings between April-November, no? I've just got off the phone with another (well former) poster who I spent an hour talking with. I've missed a lot of the new developments.

This is the Reuters money quote. To be careful it couples Kushner with other Yrump aides so we don't know yet but it implies more than two.

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