What would an election between RINO Tom and White Trash look like?

[Technocracy Timmy]

Discuss with maps.

[MT Treasurer]

So a pro-choice Charlie Baker-type "fiscal conservative" vs. a pro-life (I believe?) "populist" Democrat? (Of course this assumes that they actually somehow win their party's nomination despite holding these views and don't change them)

Sorry Tom, but I think it would look like this:

Iowa goes R because of the home state bonus. I think this would be a solid SouthernGothic victory, but not because RINO Tom is an awful candidate or campaigner. I just believe Tom would have a much harder time rallying the base than Southern Gothic, and he would be faced with an uphill battle in the Electoral College as well.

The margins in places like Fairfax County and WV-03 would be astonishing in this election.

[RINO Tom]

It's okay, as long as I hold Titanium-R-West-Virginia™.

[Heisenberg]

How does West Virginia stay R? Southern Gothic would be a great fit for the state.

[MT Treasurer]

It's okay, as long as I hold Titanium-R-West-Virginia™.

I could also see this happening if you campaign more like a Romney-type Republican than someone like Phil Scott or Charlie Baker and don't criticize or alienate a large swath of the Republican base:

That would still a 271-267 Democratic victory. Now you just need to find a way to win ME, FL or CT.

I think you'd have more trouble holding NC than VA, ironically.

[Virginiá]

So a pro-choice Charlie Baker-type "fiscal conservative" vs. a pro-life (I believe?) "populist" Democrat? (Of course this assumes that they actually somehow win their party's nomination despite holding these views and don't change them)

Sorry Tom, but I think it would look like this:

Iowa goes R because of the home state bonus. I think this would be a solid SouthernGothic victory, but not because RINO Tom is an awful candidate or campaigner. I just believe Tom would have a much harder time rallying the base than Southern Gothic, and he would be faced with an uphill battle in the Electoral College as well.

The margins in places like Fairfax County and WV-03 would be astonishing in this election.

What about New Hampshire

[Kingpoleon]

270: Senator Thomas Rin Oliver(R-IL)/Governor Brian Sandoval(R-NV) - 45.0%
268: Governor Trevor Ash White(D-LA)/Senator Bob Casey, Jr.(D-PA) - 44.8%

The closest states are Missouri, a Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island(in that order from most close to least).

[Badger]

So a pro-choice Charlie Baker-type "fiscal conservative" vs. a pro-life (I believe?) "populist" Democrat? (Of course this assumes that they actually somehow win their party's nomination despite holding these views and don't change them)

Sorry Tom, but I think it would look like this:

Iowa goes R because of the home state bonus. I think this would be a solid SouthernGothic victory, but not because RINO Tom is an awful candidate or campaigner. I just believe Tom would have a much harder time rallying the base than Southern Gothic, and he would be faced with an uphill battle in the Electoral College as well.

The margins in places like Fairfax County and WV-03 would be astonishing in this election.

How does Tom lose/SG win AZ?

MT also seems a bit odd, but not as much. I'm all ears how.

LA at first blush seemed off, but then considering the abortion issue, assuming  SG would maintain approx 90% support of African-Americans, and yeah that makes sense.

How close would MO be?

[OSR stands with Israel]

[RINO Tom]

I'd spend my entire campaign in New Hampshire, trying to lock down the naturally fertile ground for the Republican Party (with its freedom-loving people), constantly telling Maggie Hassan how beautiful she was on camera.  300 EVs, min?

[Santander]

Beep boop

[White Trash]

So a pro-choice Charlie Baker-type "fiscal conservative" vs. a pro-life (I believe?) "populist" Democrat? (Of course this assumes that they actually somehow win their party's nomination despite holding these views and don't change them)

Sorry Tom, but I think it would look like this:

Iowa goes R because of the home state bonus. I think this would be a solid SouthernGothic victory, but not because RINO Tom is an awful candidate or campaigner. I just believe Tom would have a much harder time rallying the base than Southern Gothic, and he would be faced with an uphill battle in the Electoral College as well.

The margins in places like Fairfax County and WV-03 would be astonishing in this election.

This seems fairly realistic, I doubt I'd win NV, NM, and AZ since I would have very limited appeal to latinos outside of being Catholic. And I doubt MT and the Dakotas would be big fans of me given my anti-fracking stance.

A swing map for this election would be hysterical.

[RINO Tom]

So a pro-choice Charlie Baker-type "fiscal conservative" vs. a pro-life (I believe?) "populist" Democrat? (Of course this assumes that they actually somehow win their party's nomination despite holding these views and don't change them)

Sorry Tom, but I think it would look like this:

Iowa goes R because of the home state bonus. I think this would be a solid SouthernGothic victory, but not because RINO Tom is an awful candidate or campaigner. I just believe Tom would have a much harder time rallying the base than Southern Gothic, and he would be faced with an uphill battle in the Electoral College as well.

The margins in places like Fairfax County and WV-03 would be astonishing in this election.

This seems fairly realistic, I doubt I'd win NV, NM, and AZ since I would have very limited appeal to latinos outside of being Catholic. And I doubt MT and the Dakotas would be big fans of me given my anti-fracking stance.

A swing map for this election would be hysterical beautiful.

[Kingpoleon]

So a pro-choice Charlie Baker-type "fiscal conservative" vs. a pro-life (I believe?) "populist" Democrat? (Of course this assumes that they actually somehow win their party's nomination despite holding these views and don't change them)

Sorry Tom, but I think it would look like this:

Iowa goes R because of the home state bonus. I think this would be a solid SouthernGothic victory, but not because RINO Tom is an awful candidate or campaigner. I just believe Tom would have a much harder time rallying the base than Southern Gothic, and he would be faced with an uphill battle in the Electoral College as well.

The margins in places like Fairfax County and WV-03 would be astonishing in this election.

This seems fairly realistic, I doubt I'd win NV, NM, and AZ since I would have very limited appeal to latinos outside of being Catholic. And I doubt MT and the Dakotas would be big fans of me given my anti-fracking stance.

A swing map for this election would be hysterical.

You think you would hold all of MN, WA, OR, ME, CT, NJ, NY, and VT?

[LLR]

So a pro-choice Charlie Baker-type "fiscal conservative" vs. a pro-life (I believe?) "populist" Democrat? (Of course this assumes that they actually somehow win their party's nomination despite holding these views and don't change them)

Sorry Tom, but I think it would look like this:

Iowa goes R because of the home state bonus. I think this would be a solid SouthernGothic victory, but not because RINO Tom is an awful candidate or campaigner. I just believe Tom would have a much harder time rallying the base than Southern Gothic, and he would be faced with an uphill battle in the Electoral College as well.

The margins in places like Fairfax County and WV-03 would be astonishing in this election.

This seems fairly realistic, I doubt I'd win NV, NM, and AZ since I would have very limited appeal to latinos outside of being Catholic. And I doubt MT and the Dakotas would be big fans of me given my anti-fracking stance.

A swing map for this election would be hysterical.

You think you would hold all of MN, WA, OR, ME, CT, NJ, NY, and VT?

The Wells-LLR mafia would ensure he held NY (and NJ and CT too for good measure)

[White Trash]

So a pro-choice Charlie Baker-type "fiscal conservative" vs. a pro-life (I believe?) "populist" Democrat? (Of course this assumes that they actually somehow win their party's nomination despite holding these views and don't change them)

Sorry Tom, but I think it would look like this:

Iowa goes R because of the home state bonus. I think this would be a solid SouthernGothic victory, but not because RINO Tom is an awful candidate or campaigner. I just believe Tom would have a much harder time rallying the base than Southern Gothic, and he would be faced with an uphill battle in the Electoral College as well.

The margins in places like Fairfax County and WV-03 would be astonishing in this election.

This seems fairly realistic, I doubt I'd win NV, NM, and AZ since I would have very limited appeal to latinos outside of being Catholic. And I doubt MT and the Dakotas would be big fans of me given my anti-fracking stance.

A swing map for this election would be hysterical.

You think you would hold all of MN, WA, OR, ME, CT, NJ, NY, and VT?

I think that any urbanites votes I lost in MN, WA, and OR would be made up be driving up the margins in rural areas. I think I'd actually do better in Maine's 2nd CD than it's 1st which is strange for a Democrat.

As far as NJ and CT go, I'd be pretty reliant on LLRs goons.

[Santander]

I can't speak for WV, but I don't think a "big gubmint librul" could win KY vs anyone with a R beside their name. Yes, being vaguely folksy, pro-life, and pro-gun is good in KY, but that means Joe Manchin or Steve Beshear type centrists - Democrats who are willing to cut government spending and reform social programs. I know it's convenient to believe that "ancestral Democrats" in KY and WV are looking for the next New Deal, but in reality, they just want to feel like they're being left alone. Or at least, it's closer to the latter than the former.

It's the same in the Rust Belt. It's convenient for Democrats to believe that these people love Obama for bailing out the auto industry and "saving their jobs", but the average person is outraged that the government bailed out big businesses. In some way, Mitt Romney was right - if the government "let Detroit go bankrupt", the average person in the Rust Belt would've laughed at GM and Chrysler executives and eventually moved on. There are no bailouts or handouts for people who work hard and never get ahead, while there is socialism for poor "lazy people" and socialism for big corporations. When they see politicians run around talking about college education for the "jobs of the future" or millennial fast food workers demanding $15 an hour, it makes them furious. Democrats grossly misunderstand the kind of "populism" that is necessary to win these people.

You can either embrace being an elitist party that drags the country into the "better future" you have in mind, or you can be a populist party that restores the country to what the people want. You can't be both.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

I think the funniest thing about this election is how much the alma maters clash and in reality seem to completely contradict the personas they put on, but I mean, I guess adulterous billionaire Donald Trump from Wharton School of Finance was a populist Christian so nothing matters except persona anymore.

[Beet]

The Clinton revolution is basically undone:

[OSR stands with Israel]

The Clinton revolution is basically undone:

There is no way RINO Tom loses Texas, which is more of Economically Torie State now then a Socially Conservative won. Also RINO Tom would get the endorsements of the Bush Family meaning he wins Texas.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

^ Also, DC? SG could crash the economy, start WWIII, and be convicted of rape and still win DC.

[Badger]

Fracking isn't really that important in MT, though, and you're an excellent fit for the state.

Wha?? You'd know best, of course, but that's very surprising. I thought gas extraction was big up there.

(And I still want to know why you think SG would win MT and, especially, AZ)

[White Trash]

I think the funniest thing about this election is how much the alma maters clash and in reality seem to completely contradict the personas they put on, but I mean, I guess adulterous billionaire Donald Trump from Wharton School of Finance was a populist Christian so nothing matters except persona anymore.

What do you mean?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Better than anything we can hope to get IRL.

[Goldwater]

Better than anything we can hope to get IRL.

Even if Tom wins?