Trump to pull out of Paris Agreement despite the Free Market not wanting too

[Hindsight was 2020]

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So Trump is doing something to satisfy a few private interests in his inner circle that the free market doesn't want and will allow China to become the new world leader in this issue. This is so against everything conservatives claim they stand for the past 30 years it hurts. https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-is-pulling-u-s-out-of-paris-climate-deal-2427773025.html, http://www.npr.org/2017/05/18/528998592/energy-companies-urge-trump-to-remain-in-paris-climate-agreement?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

[DavidB.]

So your complaint is that a politician is doing something big corporations don't like. Okay.

[Santander]

A handful of multinational corporations is not the same thing as "the free market".
That is such corporatist thinking.

[ajc0918]

The U.S. continues to take a step back from leading the world stage.

China and Russia are smiling bigly!

[Hindsight was 2020]

So your complaint is that a politician is doing something big corporations don't like. Okay.

No I'm using them as an example that Trump by doing this is contradicting what the party is suppose to stand for I got a much bigger list of complaints about this. 

[Shadows]

No sane guy can support Trump after this. This is a deal which 195 out of 197 countries support with 2 abstentions (1 of which is Syria). US has someone the weakest pledge (20% Renewable) while EU-China-India have 30-40% renewable pledge.

Think of the planet you live to your kids & grand-kids. This is the biggest planetary crisis that has been faced, not a random terrorist blowing 2 people, this threatens all of humanity.

Only right wing lunatic extremists can support Trump after this! This is a 1000 times worse than Trump-care. This will have devastating impact. Won't be surprised if EU slaps a tariff on US to compensate for the carbon emissions !

[Hindsight was 2020]

No sane guy can support Trump after this. This is a deal which 195 out of 197 countries support with 2 abstentions (1 of which is Syria). US has someone the weakest pledge (20% Renewable) while EU-China-India have 30-40% renewable pledge.

Think of the planet you live to your kids & grand-kids. This is the biggest planetary crisis that has been faced, not a random terrorist blowing 2 people, this threatens all of humanity.

Only right wing lunatic extremists can support Trump after this! This is a 1000 times worse than Trump-care. This will have devastating impact. Won't be surprised if EU slaps a tariff on US to compensate for the carbon emissions !

Yeah but remember he an Hillary are the same -___________-

[KingSweden]

The U.S. continues to take a step back from leading the world stage.

China and Russia are smiling bigly!

Well, China is. They're investing close to half a trillion in renewable energy over the next twenty years. But coal is totes coming back you guys

[Brittain33]

Climate change is so manly, has very big hands and stamina

[Beet]

But one of Hillary's e-mail had a faulty (c) marked at the bottom, because it had the time of her phone call with the president of Uzbekibekibekistan.

[Shadows]

But one of Hillary's e-mail had a faulty (c) marked at the bottom, because it had the time of her phone call with the president of Uzbekibekibekistan.

Hillary is still terrible & you should take responsibility for helping elect Trump & creating this non-sense!

Anyways the topic isn't Hillary. This is a serious issue, Hillary is over. The topic is Climate change & Paris agreement !

[Beet]

But one of Hillary's e-mail had a faulty (c) marked at the bottom, because it had the time of her phone call with the president of Uzbekibekibekistan.

Hillary is still terrible & you should take responsibility for helping elect Trump & creating this non-sense!

Anyways the topic isn't Hillary. This is a serious issue, Hillary is over. The topic is Climate change & Paris agreement !

LOL @Shadows "the topic isn't hillary."

[Santander]

The U.S. continues to take a step back from leading the world stage.

China and Russia are smiling bigly!

Well, China is. They're investing close to half a trillion in renewable energy over the next twenty years. But coal is totes coming back you guys

Most of China's renewable infrastructure is in hydro, which liberals don't like. Also, Texas, not California, is arguably the leading US state when it comes to renewable energy. All of the above is a viable energy strategy.

Let the market allocate resources and focus on market-based pricing of environmental externalities that are not bound by arbitrary government-imposed caps or taxes. Increased environmental reporting standards that are developed in conjunction with industry would be a good place to start. No matter how noble your intention, any sector propped up by government subsidy or preference is bound to develop a dependence on government and lose focus, because it's easier to chase the market distortions created by government than focus on improve the firm.

The Department of Defense is the biggest polluter on the planet - before tut-tutting the private sector, the government needs to take the lead on environmental responsibility.

[SoLongAtlas]

Climate change is so manly, has very big hands and stamina

In all honesty, even though you meant it sarcastically, a ton of conservative voters here believe that for reasons that climate change is a hoax so why bother, and "I ain't drivin' no tree huggin' car. Freedom!" I have literally heard both. At this rate, the UN should slap the US with sanctions or threaten to do so to get the GOP in check. A carbon tax could offset other taxes too but that part is ignored.

[KingSweden]

The U.S. continues to take a step back from leading the world stage.

China and Russia are smiling bigly!

Well, China is. They're investing close to half a trillion in renewable energy over the next twenty years. But coal is totes coming back you guys

Most of China's renewable infrastructure is in hydro, which liberals don't like. Also, Texas, not California, is arguably the leading US state when it comes to renewable energy. All of the above is a viable energy strategy.

Let the market allocate resources and focus on market-based pricing of environmental externalities that are not bound by arbitrary government-imposed caps or taxes. Increased environmental reporting standards that are developed in conjunction with industry would be a good place to start. No matter how noble your intention, any sector propped up by government subsidy or preference is bound to develop a dependence on government and lose focus, because it's easier to chase the market distortions created by government than focus on improve the firm.

The Department of Defense is the biggest polluter on the planet - before tut-tutting the private sector, the government needs to take the lead on environmental responsibility.

Hydro and Nuclear are my preferred renewables personally, which is why I don't take many greenies seriously. Agree with you on Texas being good on wind/solar and the government needing to do it's part on reducing carbon print

[Shadows]

Nuclear was a global dream once - But there are 2 major problems  - One - Risk, 2 - Economics/Cost. Nuclear has become so expensive due to costly stuff & safety precautions that it is losing out. It was a great beacon of hope once but you can't sell it if it costs much higher than cost.

The other danger is the risk. Apart from waste disposal in lead containers, Nuclear has to be set up near huge sources of water as you need coolant, which is why it is mostly set-up near coastal zones. Those unfortunately are the one's most prone to cyclones, tsunamis etc & are getting worse with climate change. The whole Pacific ocean is going to the dogs, the area near Japan is gone, the water is contaminated, the fish is inedible & the toxicity is going to cause all sorts of diseases for future generations. I still prefer nuclear to coal, a 1000 times over - But on the long term solar & wind will be the future with some bio-mass, geothermal, hydro, etc mix.

Coal needs to bear it's cost (with something like a Carbon Tax). Why on earth would ordinary people suffer & take the losses - Economic (diseases, health problems, cyclones, water level rise, agricultural productivity fall) while the coal companies take all the profit. You can't privatize the profits & socialize the loses, not on the backs of ordinary people. They didn't ask for it, to breathe poisonous air & for children not even born now to suffer the effects of climate change !

[Deblano]

Trump is not a pro-free market guy. He's an authoritarian protectionist who supports corporate welfare.

[Shadows]

@RoKhanna
Thanks to Trump, the U.S. now has a more backwards stance on climate change than North Korea. They signed on to the #ParisAgreement today.

@RoKhanna
Nicaragua didn't agree because the deal wasn't progressive enough. Trump didn't sign on because it goes against his friends' interests.

North Korea signed on to the Paris Agreement. US will join Syria as the only 2 nations to believe Climate Change is a hoax!

Majority of Americans in every US state support Paris climate deal Trump is poised to withdraw from

 About seven out of 10 registered voters, or 69 per cent, say that the US should participate in the Paris agreement, compared with 13 per cent who say that the country should not, according to a November 2016 poll by the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Can't have illegals in the world if there is no world.

[krazen1211]

Lol, what?

Even before Trump joined the political arena many members of the GOP didn't sign on to this hoax. Back in 2015 Senators from the GOP were pointing out that this scam was not ratified by the Senate.

Barry was behaving quite badly and there needs to be retaliation.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

So, would it be better if he said all the right things about climate change, while screwing things just as much?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/17/stop-swooning-justin-trudeau-man-disaster-planet

[American2020]

Reactions from Jerry Brown and Elon Musk

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/31/jerry-brown-donald-trump-paris-climate-change-deal-238993

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/31/elon-musk-trump-paris-climate-pact-238990

[Person Man]

Do I hear tge rumblings of a Green Trade War?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I'm asking this mostly rhetorically, but how can anyone, ESPECIALLY older people, seriously believe climate change is "a hoax" or "a crock" or "a scam" any more? Doesn't that fly in the face not only of abstracted data--skepticism of which I think is understandable considering that most people don't have a thoroughly scientific worldview and that's not entirely a bad thing--but of lived experience at this point? Do people just edit past decades with milder summers and fewer wild temperature swings and extreme weather events out of their memories or something?

Related, less-rhetorical question: At what point are we just going to need to accept that not nearly enough is going to be done and start thinking about how we're going to live with the consequences that are going to happen?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I'm asking this mostly rhetorically, but how can anyone, ESPECIALLY older people, seriously believe climate change is "a hoax" or "a crock" or "a scam" any more? Doesn't that fly in the face not only of abstracted data--skepticism of which I think is understandable considering that most people don't have a thoroughly scientific worldview and that's not entirely a bad thing--but of lived experience at this point? Do people just edit past decades with milder summers and fewer wild temperature swings and extreme weather events out of their memories or something?

Being wrong is unpleasant. Changing how you think or how you live is difficult, too. Especially if you're old. Admitting that what you've done and failed to do, what you're doing NOW, is hurting your children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren is really painful. And human beings have a huge capacity for self-delusion.