Gunfire inside Iranian Parliament

[Crumpets]

Just came across on my phone from AP and Al-Jazeera.

CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/07/middleeast/iran-parliament-shooting/
Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-shooting-parliament-idUSKBN18Y0FR

[Hammy]

I wonder if this is in any way related to the Qatar diplomatic mess.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Oh, crap.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

The Islamic State appears to be claiming credit for the attacks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/rare-double-attacks-hits-irans-capital/2017/06/07/d9f101c2-4b50-11e7-9669-250d0b15f83b_story.html

[ApatheticAustrian]

JUST IN: Iran's revolutionary guards say Saudi Arabia was behind deadly attacks in Tehran - statement
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/872464825858879489

[Gass3268]

A war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, even as unlikely that would be, would not be good.

[ApatheticAustrian]

A war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, even as unlikely that would be, would not be good.

yeah and iran has no chance of winning it at all, considering the massive and ongoing military uprise of the Saudis and its net of allies.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

A war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, even as unlikely that would be, would not be good.

yeah and iran has no chance of winning it at all, considering the massive and ongoing military uprise of the Saudis and its net of allies.

"Iran has no chance of winning against Iraq with its alliances and modern equipment"...

Win? No. Force a stealmate? Yes. Saudi military power is very inflated to say the least.

[Gass3268]

Also, if Turkey does put troops in Qatar and say they are attacked in an invasion (again unlikely, but possible). Does Article 5 come into play?

[ApatheticAustrian]

Also, if Turkey does put troops in Qatar and say they are attacked in an invasion (again unlikely, but possible). Does Article 5 come into play?

don't think this works this way with military bases.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Also, if Turkey does put troops in Qatar and say they are attacked in an invasion (again unlikely, but possible). Does Article 5 come into play?

don't think this works this way with military bases.

It depends what kind of war we're talking about. If we're talking Saudi and allies, even with the U.S. backing, trying to go into Iran, it won't fly.

[dead0man]

Also, if Turkey does put troops in Qatar and say they are attacked in an invasion (again unlikely, but possible). Does Article 5 come into play?

don't think this works this way with military bases.

correct

[Stranger in a strange land]

Also, if Turkey does put troops in Qatar and say they are attacked in an invasion (again unlikely, but possible). Does Article 5 come into play?

don't think this works this way with military bases.

correct

Article 5 applies only to the sovereign territory of members and to the Atlantic Ocean down to the Tropic of Cancer. This is why NATO didn't get involved in the Falklands War or in either the French or American Wars in Vietnam. 

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Also, if Turkey does put troops in Qatar and say they are attacked in an invasion (again unlikely, but possible). Does Article 5 come into play?

don't think this works this way with military bases.

correct

Article 5 applies only to the sovereign territory of members and to the Atlantic Ocean down to the Tropic of Cancer. This is why NATO didn't get involved in the Falklands War or in either the French or American Wars in Vietnam. 

So, "North Atlantic" is specified not without a reason

[Gass3268]

Also, if Turkey does put troops in Qatar and say they are attacked in an invasion (again unlikely, but possible). Does Article 5 come into play?

don't think this works this way with military bases.

correct

Article 5 applies only to the sovereign territory of members and to the Atlantic Ocean down to the Tropic of Cancer. This is why NATO didn't get involved in the Falklands War or in either the French or American Wars in Vietnam. 

Crap, I knew that.

[Blue3]

There was also a suicide bombing at a religious shrine too

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Funny how the American media buys so much into the "Iran is the enemy" BS that they've given absolutely no coverage to this, not even just a brief mention.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Let's hope that this doesn't escalate into a war.  And if it does, hopefully Trump has the sense to keep America out of it.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Let's hope that this doesn't escalate into a war.  And if it does, hopefully Trump has the sense to keep America out of it.

If he doesn't I'm gonna drop him like a tab of LSD. In other words, swallow my pride and let the insanity proceed.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Oh sh*t.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

A war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, even as unlikely that would be, would not be good.

yeah and iran has no chance of winning it at all, considering the massive and ongoing military uprise of the Saudis and its net of allies.

Would that be the military currently committed in Yemen and needing the US to hold its hand, or military that fell back on bringing in mercenaries to Yemen because even with US and UAE assistance they weren't able to win?

[Cory]

yeah and iran has no chance of winning it at all, considering the massive and ongoing military uprise of the Saudis and its net of allies.

Assuming by "Saudi and it's allies" you are talking about just the GCC, why on Earth would you think they could defeat Iran in a full-blown conventional war?

Other then technology (and even then, not by that much) Iran outclasses them in almost every way. Numbers, leadership, economy, national unity, everything. The only thing saving the GCC from total defeat in this scenario is the Gulf itself.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Other then technology (and even then, not by that much) Iran outclasses them in almost every way. Numbers, leadership, economy, national unity, everything. The only thing saving the GCC from total defeat in this scenario is the Gulf itself.

could easily be that i - as a military noob - am just plain wrong but the ...for many years...financially and logistically restrained iran ......in a hypothetical battle between most of the arab world, which seemingly follows Saudi's lead now wherever it goes (Yemen, Qatar....) and a single if strong country, which - i guess - in such a set-up wouldn't even by supported by russia....seems....unlikely to me.

but as i said, maybe my lacking military knowledge is blindsiding me.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

General John Abizaid described Iranian military as the strongest (aside of Israel) force in the Middle East, even despite lacking more modern equipment. And I agree.

Saudi military is a joke. What's the use of modern equipment if they treat these as toys.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Arab nations in the modern era are complete disasters in regards to their militaries. The GCC have an additional problem in that their economies are much more dependent on foreigners (both western speculators and developing country slaves) and are built on more flimsy foundations. Especially if Turkey come out on Iran's side, I find it hard time to imagine the GCC would have much of an advantage.