UK General Election, 2017 - Election Day and Results Thread

[Krago]

Which seats did Labour win in 2015 but lose yesterday?

[parochial boy]

Which seats did Labour win in 2015 but lose yesterday?

Mansfield
North East Derbyshire
Middlesbrough South & East Cleveland
Copeland
Stoke-on-Trent South
Walsall North

In case any one wants to have play around, Britain elects have a spreadsheet with all the results in GB here

[parochial boy]

Labour win Kensington!

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Labour win Kensington!

By just 20 votes

[JA]

"Corbyn associated with terrorists!"



"Corbyn is an extremist!"



"Corbyn is too dangerous to lead our government!"



"Corbyn was associated with the IRA!"



"So, we'll partner with these fine folks."



"The DUP are good guys, really!"



"Yeah, Paisley might've called the Pope the antichrist to his face, maybe they blocked gay marriage and abortion rights in Northern Ireland, okay, yeah, some of them are young earth creationists who deny anthropogenic climate change, and it's possible they've called for reimplementing the death penalty and called LGBT people "disgusting" and an "abomination," but trust us - they're good people."

[Boston Bread]

And even if Labour's coalition this time was more middle class than it was last time, at least it was due to addition and not subtraction.

[Silent Hunter]

Just thinking about some areas I am familiar with, the swings along the Sussex coast (from Brighton to Worthing, even Chichester) are really an extended Brighton effect, and Brighton is knows as "London-on-Sea", has had some pretty major demographic trends in recent years, which are now beginning to knock across the region.

Some of the big swings in South Hampshire/Isle of Wight are a little harder to explain, it is very much a different economic and cultural world to London. Southampton Test and Portsmouth South obviously have the unis, IoW itself has something of a counter-cultural element to it (an, even if he wasn't standing, a rather notorious incumbent). Places like Fareham, are pretty middling suburban sprawl, and quite socially conservative, so it is quiet surprising that they swung Labour at all, at a guess I would say that the terrible transport infrastructure and promises to nationalise the train would have helped.

It's been suggested, especially by the RMT who very much have a 'dog' i.e. their members in the fight, that the long-running Southern Rail dispute (basically over plans to go to driver only operated trains and change the role of guards to a less 'critical' role) had a big impact on seats in the affected areas.

[Silent Hunter]

Theresa May already led a government with a majority.  That she couldn't command her own party to provide a stable government was an implicit admission of weakness, not strength.

It was a government without a working majority though - less than 20.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Percentage majorities in the West Midlands.

[TheSaint250]

I wanted to clarify this:

Is the new government going to be a minority government, or is DUP/will DUP be a part of the government?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I wanted to clarify this:

Is the new government going to be a minority government, or is DUP/will DUP be a part of the government?

Minority with DUP support. Note also that the SNP don't vote on a lot of English domestic legislation.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Will the DUP insist on a hardline Northern Ireland Secretary?

[IceAgeComing]

Minority with DUP support. Note also that the SNP don't vote on a lot of English domestic legislation.

The SNP rule of the past (and probably not one that they'll try to break very often considering this parliament and the election result) is that they don't vote on matters that affect only England provided that there's no impact on Barnet consequentials - so if there's a bill that doesn't affect Scotland but would reduce, say, health spending; the SNP would vote against it citing the impact that it would have on the Scottish budget (since that's how the Barnet formula works).  Although in the past very few legislation has been purely England and Wales only; often there are little sections that end up impacting Scotland - an example was the Marriage Equality legislation for England and Wales which legalised same sex marriage there... but also in British army bases overseas; which technically meant that it wouldn't be treated as exclusively an "English law" in parliament.

That's going to affectively mean that the Tories have a majority on most England domestic matters that's totally workable - although I'd imagine that the SNP would vote on anything that the government would treat as a matter of confidence though...

[Silent Hunter]

I wanted to clarify this:

Is the new government going to be a minority government, or is DUP/will DUP be a part of the government?

Minority with DUP support. Note also that the SNP don't vote on a lot of English domestic legislation.

No formal coalition, I would guess, but the DUP would back the Tories on the Budget, the Queen's Speech and any confidence motions.

One journalist suggested that Ulster accents would be also be very useful in dealing with backbenchers...

[DavidB.]

Haven't read much about the causes of the SNP collapse. It seems to me that they have been so successful at being perceived as a left-wing party and attracting Labour voters that they have left a lot of space on the right and alienated right-wing voters... but then why didn't these Scottish right-wingers vote for the Tories in 2015 already? What made them move to the Tories this time?

[136or142]

Theresa May already led a government with a majority.  That she couldn't command her own party to provide a stable government was an implicit admission of weakness, not strength.

It was a government without a working majority though - less than 20.

That's my point though. If she was really a strong leader she should have been able to control it like a solid majority.

[136or142]

The Democratic Unionist Party are the Christian Taliban largest political party in Northern Ireland, which is enough to make any sane human being sh**t their pants.

The party was founded in 1971 by Ian Paisley and is now lead by Arlene Foster.
They are violent, sectarian extremist fundamentalist creationist homophobes with a long history of crossing from terrorism to police to military to politics and back again, and they're just as responsible for supporting paramilitaries as Sinn Féin are. The DUP is an anchor around the neck of the Tory government, but the Tories need them on their side to guarantee a strong position in NI, and after the 2017 election to form a government at all.

That they're full of creationists is the least worst thing about them.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party


Theresa May warned against having a government led by a terrorist sympathizer.  It turned out though, she was was referring to herself.

[mvd10]

Haven't read much about the causes of the SNP collapse. It seems to me that they have been so successful at being perceived as a left-wing party and attracting Labour voters that they have left a lot of space on the right and alienated right-wing voters... but then why didn't these Scottish right-wingers vote for the Tories in 2015 already? What made them move to the Tories this time?

Cameron being more associated with austerity than May maybe? May vocally buried Thatcherism during the campaign and if I'm right the Tory downfall in Scotland started with Thatcher. Maybe it saved her after all .

[TheSaint250]

I wanted to clarify this:

Is the new government going to be a minority government, or is DUP/will DUP be a part of the government?

Minority with DUP support. Note also that the SNP don't vote on a lot of English domestic legislation.

No formal coalition, I would guess, but the DUP would back the Tories on the Budget, the Queen's Speech and any confidence motions.

One journalist suggested that Ulster accents would be also be very useful in dealing with backbenchers...

Ok thanks guys

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Is there any chance that Sinn Fein might take their seats at a later date just for a no confidence vote?

[rob in cal]

  Just tabulated all results under a 1600 vote winning margin in which the Conservatives were one of the top two.  Turns out they won 26 of those, lost 28, so pretty close to a wash.

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Is there any chance that Sinn Fein might take their seats at a later date just for a no confidence vote?

Highly, highly doubtful, I'd think. But screwing the DUP could be the one thing that they might want to do. However, the Tories' 318 plus the DUP's 10 gives 328, which is an outright majority.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Is there any chance that Sinn Fein might take their seats at a later date just for a no confidence vote?

Highly, highly doubtful, I'd think. But screwing the DUP could be the one thing that they might want to do. However, the Tories' 318 plus the DUP's 10 gives 328, which is an outright majority.

Obviously this would be after the opposition parties gain in some by elections so that it's in that 322-325 range where Sinn Fein matters.

[IceAgeComing]

Sinn Fein are now claiming that any kind of formal deal between the Tories and the DUP would violate the Good Friday Agreement - I don't know whether that actually is true but it certainly wouldn't be good for Northern Ireland: because the body in charge of the talks to restart the assembly is... the UK government.  A similar thing between the UUP and Major's government in like 1996 caused issues at that time as well.

Not going to take their seats though - they believe a lot in that whole "no oath to the Queen thing.

[parochial boy]

Haven't read much about the causes of the SNP collapse. It seems to me that they have been so successful at being perceived as a left-wing party and attracting Labour voters that they have left a lot of space on the right and alienated right-wing voters... but then why didn't these Scottish right-wingers vote for the Tories in 2015 already? What made them move to the Tories this time?

Cameron being more associated with austerity than May maybe? May vocally buried Thatcherism during the campaign and if I'm right the Tory downfall in Scotland started with Thatcher. Maybe it saved her after all .

You guys are really overestimating how much of an impact May's rhetorical movement to the left on economics had. Just saying...