UK General Election, 2017 - Election Day and Results Thread

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RINO

Tough talk from somebody who can't be a Republican because he's not an American.

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How is Sunderland such a safe labour area when it voted heavily for brexit?

My understanding--which could be wrong but which is, I hope, at least a little more recondite than that of most other non-British posters in the threads for this election--is that, while the Brexit campaign was run mostly by and on the terms of the "populist" hard right, previous voting behavior and ostensible political ideology weren't especially good indicators of actually voting for Brexit. A whole boatload of mostly lower-class Labour voters voted for it as a protest against, among other things, the soft-center-right technocracy of the "Eurocrats". Also, apparently Sikhs broke hard for Brexit.

A few days after the vote I read an article in I think the Grauniad that quoted someone living on a council estate in the North of England as saying something like "if you've got money, you vote in; if you don't, you vote out".

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I think the exit poll merits a change in my username. It might be premature but whatever.

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Tories gain Richmond park

Was Goldsmith the candidate there again?

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What are the odds Rudd goes down? I looked up past results from Hastings and Rye and it's way swingier than I assumed a constituency in non-Brighton Sussex would be.

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So what are our takeaways from this?

Mine are:

1. Hubris is still as powerful a force in human affairs as ever.
2. Muh fundamentals are overrated. Campaigns matter.

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So what are our takeaways from this?

Mine are:

1. Hubris is still as powerful a force in human affairs as ever.
2. Muh fundamentals are overrated. Campaigns matter.

3. Directly stating left-wing values is more effective than standing for some vague reasonableness.

3a. It is in fact possible to win back working-class voters who've flirted with right-wing populism by doing so.

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WOW Putney!!!

Is the "WOW" because the Tories held it or because there was a huge CON->LAB swing anyway? It's not showing up on the NYT map yet.

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What is propelling Labour right now? I'm guessing it's a combination of working class voters and young people?

Seems that way. The dynamic being discussed with the former is voters who defected from Labour to UKIP in 2010 and 2015 returning home rather than going to the Tories.

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Labour holds Ynys Mon.

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1st Cons gain from Lab!! Copeland

The Tories won it at a by-election in February.

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Northern Ireland is going to dick this whole thing up for Labour with the Sinn Fein members not showing up and the DUP/UUP potentially working with the Tories.

Obviously the next government (in the immediate term) is going to be Tory, but there are legitimate questions about how stable it'll be.

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Take that with a grain of salt, but John McDonnell says Boris will formally launch his leadership bid as early as tonight.

still better then jermey

Beep boop.

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muh two-to-one polling lead

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I'm invested in Richmond Park because I want to see Zac Goldsmith get humiliated yet again.

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I'll say it--I was dead wrong about Corbyn.

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Oh well. He's still a pathetic posh phony.

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Literally everything I thought I knew about suburbs was destroyed tonight.

This is one of the best sentences I've ever read. I'm not being sarcastic.

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UKIP voters screwed the Tories tonight and for they are big fools as they voted for a far right candidate in 2015 and then far left in 2017.


If UKIP voted torie we would have had the tories up to 350 seats maybe instead of 319 .

Well, they came from Labour to begin with so why would they vote Tory now?

One of their founding members was Nigel Farage who came from the tories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage#Early_years

But much of the voter base came from Labour.

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UKIP voters screwed the Tories tonight and for they are big fools as they voted for a far right candidate in 2015 and then far left in 2017.


If UKIP voted torie we would have had the tories up to 350 seats maybe instead of 319 .

Well, they came from Labour to begin with so why would they vote Tory now?

One of their founding members was Nigel Farage who came from the tories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage#Early_years

But much of the voter base came from Labour.

That's what I meant. Brexit is not the only issue. On economic and social issues these voters are much closer to Labour than the Conservatives, they voted in their best interest. The real fool today is Theresa May.

I know that; I'm trying to impress it on our cybernetic friend.

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Will the DUP insist on a hardline Northern Ireland Secretary?

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Hastings and Rye really stands out. Is the constituency markedly different from its surroundings demographically (given its size it looks a bit more densely populated, but not by especially much), was Rudd particularly targeted during the campaign, or is it an issue of Labour candidate quality?

I'd have the same question about Canterbury but you've already explained that that's because of the student vote finally mobilizing.

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One thing that hardly anyone has noticed or noted anywhere but which I saw happening in my very own constituency* is that Labour has suddenly reclaimed all of those rural working class voters it had been shedding at a deeply alarming rate (and in all directions) these past fifteen years. Because of the electoral system it barely matters in practical terms (though has added a further boost to Labour's national PV total, do note) but it is an interesting development.

_{*Observed far more Labour posters than ones for other parties in the grimmer section of the market towns throughout the campaign. Which always used to be the case but had not been so for quite a while...}

I'm reminded of the map of the 1945 election that you posted a couple of years ago, with the welter of narrow-but-undeniable Labour victories in rural seats all over the Midlands and East Anglia.

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lol Rees-Mogg. He isn't even the most powerful or interesting Traditionalist Catholic from Somerset on the British right.

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lol Rees-Mogg. He isn't even the most powerful or interesting Traditionalist Catholic from Somerset on the British right.

Pshh, you're just jealous of his haute couture

I mean I am, but that doesn't make him not a joke.