UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

[publicunofficial]

New YouGov has 40% of TORIES supporting Corbyn's Grenfell proposal.

[Silent Hunter]

I voted in that poll! You would have to change the law though to do it.

[NewYorkExpress]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/22/world/europe/uk-grenfell-tower-london-fire.html

Seven more towers have been shown as having structures similar to Grenfell Tower.

This could be a huge problem for May, and for Sadiq Khan.

[publicunofficial]

Breaking: Latest YouGov poll has Corbyn leading May for the firs time. 35-34.

[IceAgeComing]

in preferred prime minister polling you ought to clarify, which while good for Labour, isn't exactly something particularly important.  It shows how far May has fallen in but a few months though

[Phony Moderate]

in preferred prime minister polling you ought to clarify, which while good for Labour, isn't exactly something particularly important.  It shows how far May has fallen in but a few months though

Though historically the incumbent PM has tended to have an in-built advantage on the question. The most famous example of this was when Callaghan was shown as leading Thatcher by 50-31 on the eve of the 1979 election.

[publicunofficial]

in preferred prime minister polling you ought to clarify, which while good for Labour, isn't exactly something particularly important.  It shows how far May has fallen in but a few months though

Considering it was like 15-54 in favor of May around this time last year, I'd say it's pretty good.

[Hnv1]

May definitely knows she's on a stop clock, I guess she'll finalize the Brexit deal and take the bullet on how terrible it will be so the next leader could be clear of blame.

[Mr. Morden]

David Davis is now leading on Betfair in the market on who will be the next PM after May (at ~25% probability, ahead of Corbyn at ~20% probability).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Seven more towers have been shown as having structures similar to Grenfell Tower.

I think you'll find that rather more than seven tower blocks in London are the productions of 1960s/70s system building...

The story is that X number of tower blocks have recently been fitted with similar exterior cladding to Grenfell Tower; not the same thing as structure...

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How the Hell would it be a problem for Khan?

[NewYorkExpress]

Seven more towers have been shown as having structures similar to Grenfell Tower.

I think you'll find that rather more than seven tower blocks in London are the productions of 1960s/70s system building...

The story is that X number of tower blocks have recently been fitted with similar exterior cladding to Grenfell Tower; not the same thing as structure...

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How the Hell would it be a problem for Khan?

He's Mayor of London, rightly or wrongly voters might blame him too.

[Silent Hunter]

He did get heckled when he visited Grenfell Tower.

I see some of the tabloids are leading on the fridge that caused the fire as well. I would like to know how that fire actually managed to get through to the cladding in the first place.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

He's Mayor of London, rightly or wrongly voters might blame him too.

Housing is a matter for the borough councils, not the Mayor. This isn't New York. Even were that not the case he's only been in office a year.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Looks like there are copycat car crashes now.

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[Silent Hunter]

Not currently believed to be terrorism though. Still, might well be other cases.

[MaxQue]

He's Mayor of London, rightly or wrongly voters might blame him too.

Housing is a matter for the borough councils, not the Mayor.

I hope enough people knows the difference.

The electoral calendar helps. London borough councils are up next year, Khan in 2020.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

He's Mayor of London, rightly or wrongly voters might blame him too.

Housing is a matter for the borough councils, not the Mayor.

I hope enough people knows the difference.

The electoral calendar helps. London borough councils are up next year, Khan in 2020.

I'm ashamed to admit the local government dynamics in England is very confusing to me.

[Barnes]

He's Mayor of London, rightly or wrongly voters might blame him too.

Housing is a matter for the borough councils, not the Mayor.

I hope enough people knows the difference.

The electoral calendar helps. London borough councils are up next year, Khan in 2020.

I'm ashamed to admit the local government dynamics in England is very confusing to me.

They are, by and large, the closest British politics comes to being like House of Cards. With DDR-style Volkskammers and Tory principalities fighting both one another and themselves in bloodshed not seen since the War of the Roses.

[parochial boy]

He's Mayor of London, rightly or wrongly voters might blame him too.

Housing is a matter for the borough councils, not the Mayor.

I hope enough people knows the difference.

The electoral calendar helps. London borough councils are up next year, Khan in 2020.

I'm ashamed to admit the local government dynamics in England is very confusing to me.

It's simple, surely?

There are some counties that have elected councils, and then elected local authorities underneath them

Some counties don't have an elected administration, but have unitary authorities making them up.

Some counties, like Hampshire, are a mix of both, with a county council that doesn't actually cover the whole county, and some unitary authorities

London has a mayor and an assembly, but also boroughs underneath it.

And then there are this city region things.

And who the actual  thought this mess was a good idea?

[Barnes]

[Lachi]

DUP makes deal with the Conservatives.
The UK is officially f[inks]ed

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Former SNP Leader Gordon Wilson dies aged 79

[IceAgeComing]

He's Mayor of London, rightly or wrongly voters might blame him too.

Housing is a matter for the borough councils, not the Mayor.

I hope enough people knows the difference.

The electoral calendar helps. London borough councils are up next year, Khan in 2020.

I'm ashamed to admit the local government dynamics in England is very confusing to me.

It's simple, surely?

There are some counties that have elected councils, and then elected local authorities underneath them

Some counties don't have an elected administration, but have unitary authorities making them up.

Some counties, like Hampshire, are a mix of both, with a county council that doesn't actually cover the whole county, and some unitary authorities

London has a mayor and an assembly, but also boroughs underneath it.

And then there are this city region things.

And who the actual  thought this mess was a good idea?

The original system was drawn up under Heath and was actually simpler than what went before but that was two-tier everywhere in the UK (outside NI which was always different and the Western Isles, Orkney and Shetland where unitary authorities were always much more sensible).  It started to get more complex when Thatcher abolished the GLC and the Metropolitan Counties (because they were almost all Labour dominated and protested vigorously against Central government, which certainly motivated the reduction of local government power) and then when Major started to gradually move some bits towards Unitary authorities while some didn't, it just got even more complex from there.  Outside of England its a lot more simple since Scotland and Wales both changed en masse to unitary authorities in 1995 and gained the devolved parliaments in 1999: and NI also reformed all at once a few years back.

[Phony Moderate]

DUP makes deal with the Conservatives.
The UK is officially f[inks]ed

On the bright side, we now have a terrific excuse to sh**tpost for the next x number of months or years.

[Don Vito Corleone]

I just realized the UK hasn't had a left wing government in nearly 40 years.
That is all.