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« on: December 30, 2003, 12:19:24 pm »
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There's been some talk that if Dean loses the nomination, he'll still run for president as an independent, bringing much of his support with him--splitting the Democratic vote.

Knowing some hardcore Dean supporters myself, I know how they feel about Democratic insiders trying to "Stop Dean."  Right now, they say they won't vote for anyone but Dean in the general election next year.  So Dean's "army" are pretty mad with the DNC right now - they'd be even more mad if Dean lost the nomination due to a "Stop Dean" movement.

Do you see it very likely that, should Dean lose the nomination, he'll run anyway?  And how much do you think that would hurt the Democrats - whoever they nominate - next year against President Bush?
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2003, 12:23:51 pm »
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Dems are ina dilemia.  Do they risk Dean's bolt fromt eh party or do they stop him.  

The dems have 5-6 centrist candidates and that is there problem as they are splitting there support while Dean is essentially the only real liberal ( that is a contender).

Dean would get more than 5% I would think as a 3rd party and may even finish 2d Ie Teddy Roosevelt.  i didn't think this was too realistic when George Will wrote about it a week ago, but now with Dean threatening it, it looks like blackmail.

Imagine a race with Bush, Dean, Nader and say Clark.  Whoa boy.
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2003, 12:27:47 pm »
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Quote from: jravnsbo on December 30, 2003, 12:23:51 pm
Imagine a race with Bush, Dean, Nader and say Clark.  Whoa boy.

The Democratic Party would be a mess.
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2003, 12:31:56 pm »
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Quote from: jravnsbo on December 30, 2003, 12:23:51 pm
Dems are ina dilemia.  Do they risk Dean's bolt fromt eh party or do they stop him.  

The dems have 5-6 centrist candidates and that is there problem as they are splitting there support while Dean is essentially the only real liberal ( that is a contender).

Dean would get more than 5% I would think as a 3rd party and may even finish 2d Ie Teddy Roosevelt.  i didn't think this was too realistic when George Will wrote about it a week ago, but now with Dean threatening it, it looks like blackmail.

Imagine a race with Bush, Dean, Nader and say Clark.  Whoa boy.

I forgot about Nader.  Dean, Nader, Clark.  Man.  What a pisser that would be - for the Democrats, anywoo.

I'd like to see a 49-state landslide.  I was born in '83, so of course I missed Reagan's '84 landslide.

Since there are some similarities between 1972 (Nixon v. McGovern) and 2004, this could be my best chance to see such a landslide.

Cross your fingers for California!
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2003, 12:39:35 pm »
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Quote from: GWBFan on December 30, 2003, 12:31:56 pm
Quote from: jravnsbo on December 30, 2003, 12:23:51 pm
Dems are ina dilemia.  Do they risk Dean's bolt fromt eh party or do they stop him.  

The dems have 5-6 centrist candidates and that is there problem as they are splitting there support while Dean is essentially the only real liberal ( that is a contender).

Dean would get more than 5% I would think as a 3rd party and may even finish 2d Ie Teddy Roosevelt.  i didn't think this was too realistic when George Will wrote about it a week ago, but now with Dean threatening it, it looks like blackmail.

Imagine a race with Bush, Dean, Nader and say Clark.  Whoa boy.

I forgot about Nader.  Dean, Nader, Clark.  Man.  What a pisser that would be - for the Democrats, anywoo.

I'd like to see a 49-state landslide.  I was born in '83, so of course I missed Reagan's '84 landslide.

Since there are some similarities between 1972 (Nixon v. McGovern) and 2004, this could be my best chance to see such a landslide.

Cross your fingers for California!

If there is that many popular liberals running, we might be so lucky to see a 50. Grin
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2003, 12:47:56 pm »
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Yessss...but Dean WON'T run as an independent if he fails to get the nomination and Nader is a spent force...
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2003, 12:48:57 pm »
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Quote from: Realpolitik on December 30, 2003, 12:47:56 pm
Yessss...but Dean WON'T run as an independent if he fails to get the nomination and Nader is a spent force...

Wishful thinking is all.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2003, 12:49:24 pm »
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Quote from: Realpolitik on December 30, 2003, 12:47:56 pm
Yessss...but Dean WON'T run as an independent if he fails to get the nomination and Nader is a spent force...
Of course he won't run as a independent.  I don't see why some people think he will.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2003, 12:53:42 pm »
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Because he just hinted at it strongly and publicly.


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Quote from: Realpolitik on December 30, 2003, 12:47:56 pm
Yessss...but Dean WON'T run as an independent if he fails to get the nomination and Nader is a spent force...
Of course he won't run as a independent.  I don't see why some people think he will.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2003, 01:09:38 pm »
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Quote from: jravnsbo on December 30, 2003, 12:53:42 pm
Because he just hinted at it strongly and publicly.


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Quote from: Realpolitik on December 30, 2003, 12:47:56 pm
Yessss...but Dean WON'T run as an independent if he fails to get the nomination and Nader is a spent force...
Of course he won't run as a independent.  I don't see why some people think he will.
Do you have a link, buddy?
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2003, 01:14:27 pm »
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Indeed. When?
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2003, 01:19:11 pm »
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The only time I have heard Dean mention running as an independent was on Larry King live, and he said he would not do it and he would endorse the democratic nominee.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2003, 01:45:13 pm »
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Quote from: Realpolitik on December 30, 2003, 12:47:56 pm
Yessss...but Dean WON'T run as an independent if he fails to get the nomination and Nader is a spent force...

Dean is arrogent enough to run if things don't go the way he wants them to go.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2003, 01:46:05 pm »
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Quote from: Miamiu1027 on December 30, 2003, 12:49:24 pm
Quote from: Realpolitik on December 30, 2003, 12:47:56 pm
Yessss...but Dean WON'T run as an independent if he fails to get the nomination and Nader is a spent force...
Of course he won't run as a independent.  I don't see why some people think he will.

Because Dean is demented enough to think he is the savior of the country.
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2003, 01:47:33 pm »
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Dean isn't going to run as a independent.
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2003, 01:47:58 pm »
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Quote from: Miamiu1027 on December 30, 2003, 01:47:33 pm
Dean isn't going to run as a independent.

If he doesn't win the nom he will.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2003, 01:49:47 pm »
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How much you wanna bet?  Do you have a paypal account?  Lets roll baby!  Even odds, I put down double what you do.
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Quote from: Miamiu1027 on December 30, 2003, 01:49:47 pm
How much you wanna bet?  Do you have a paypal account?  Lets roll baby!  Even odds, I put down double what you do.

The man is arrogant and a little unbalanced.  This whole exercise is about him.  THe smart people in the Dem party sees this but most do not.
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2003, 01:52:39 pm »
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DarthKosh, do you have a paypal account?
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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2003, 01:55:15 pm »
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Quote from: Miamiu1027 on December 30, 2003, 01:52:39 pm
DarthKosh, do you have a paypal account?

So according to you i can not have an opinion without betting money?
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2003, 01:56:33 pm »
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Quote from: DarthKosh on December 30, 2003, 01:55:15 pm
Quote from: Miamiu1027 on December 30, 2003, 01:52:39 pm
DarthKosh, do you have a paypal account?

So according to you i can not have an opinion without betting money?
I think you don't feel real strongly about it if you don't bet money.
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2003, 01:57:48 pm »
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Quote from: Miamiu1027 on December 30, 2003, 01:56:33 pm
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Quote from: Miamiu1027 on December 30, 2003, 01:52:39 pm
DarthKosh, do you have a paypal account?

So according to you i can not have an opinion without betting money?
I think you don't feel real strongly about it if you don't bet money.

Whatever.  I still no matter what you say that if Dean is denied in his mind the nom he will bolt and run as an independant.
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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2003, 01:58:37 pm »
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Fine then.  I don't even have a paypal account, so my point is moot.  I have a gambling disorder anyway, I better not get started up.
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2003, 01:59:11 pm »
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Quote from: Miamiu1027 on December 30, 2003, 01:58:37 pm
Fine then.  I don't even have a paypal account, so my point is moot.  I have a gambling disorder anyway, I better not get started up.

Save your money for the superbowl.
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