Dems - Gigantic margins & turnout among 18-24 for Corbyn stops Conservatives !

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Yesterday, a generation woke and roared at last. It took dispiriting result after dispiriting result but the numbers suggest we’ve finally been galvanised: the turnout among 18- to 24-year-olds is being estimated at 72 per cent. By comparison, in 2015, turnout among this cohort was 43 per cent, and for the Brexit vote it was 64 per cent. It’s assumed this generation won’t get out of bed unless there’s a meme involved. Last night they delivered a youthquake.

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/how-britains-youth-vote-general-election-swung-with-record-numbers-of-young-voters-a3561186.html


Early reports have suggested that as many as 72% of young people voted in this general election.
However the 72% figure is just an estimate, initially reported by the head of the NUS. Ipsos Mori pollsters have since said that detailed stats on turnout won’t be available for around a week or so.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/09/youth-out-in-full-force-as-72-of-young-people-vote-in-general-election-6696890/#ixzz4jW0cGb8I

Final stats aren't in - Some people suggest 67% odd turnout maybe which is also one of the highest in many decades. Either way, a politician (Corbyn) who is much more socialist & left wing than Sanders even swept suburbs & urban areas alike propelled by an army of young people!

US-UK has uncanny resemblances. Reagan-Thatcher started the disastrous Uber conservative era. Clinton & Blair started the New Democrats, New Labour era of centrism. There is a strong chance that Youth support will propel the next big progressive era !

[SoLongAtlas]

Great turnout. As for the last bit, yes this generation is more liberal but will moderate with age. The social issues will die down and in terms of economics, I can't see the US going full on democratic-socialism or Corbyn style socialism. I can see more liberal trends but in steps, going faster in the next few decades when more millennials run and win office but anything of the far-left won't pass or last long in the US, esp up against the budget constraints we are facing.

[Nyvin]

Great turnout. As for the last bit, yes this generation is more liberal but will moderate with age. The social issues will die down and in terms of economics, I can't see the US going full on democratic-socialism or Corbyn style socialism. I can see more liberal trends but in steps, going faster in the next few decades when more millennials run and win office but anything of the far-left won't pass or last long in the US, esp up against the budget constraints we are facing.

People don't go conservative as they age, that's just a myth.  There's a reason support for gay marriage and marijuana legalization keeps going up and up and up.

[heatcharger]

This is not American political news.

[SoLongAtlas]

This is not American political news.

I know but the OP referred to UK-US resemblances and youth. I took that as an extension to mean all youth is both the UK and US, there are strong trends in millennials in both nations.

[pbrower2a]

Great turnout. As for the last bit, yes this generation is more liberal but will moderate with age.

But it could also get stronger ties to liberal and liberal-leaning institutions. The only trend that could make the Millennial generation more conservative is in culture, should there be a Boomer-like generation that challenges Millennial culture. 

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But what if you are a civil servant who administers the new welfare state? Government employees are more interested in their paychecks than in keeping taxes low.
 

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The Far Left, the sorts of people who shouted "Bring the victory home!" as the Commies took over Saigon and Phnom Penh, are basically gone. The Millennial Generation does not want nationalization of industry. It is not hostile to Big Business itself, especially if it works for it and gets solid pay. Soviet-style economics have lost all appeal. It is telling that most of the former-Communist states of central and Balkan Europe sold off the 'socialist' ownership of the economy to be able to afford a social-welfare state.

[Adam Griffin]

Great turnout. As for the last bit, yes this generation is more liberal but will moderate with age.

Economic views don't necessarily change; social views don't either, but the gradual leftward shift that's almost always present on this front merely makes generations seem more conservative in a relative sense as they age, as they retain their previously-progressive views from their younger years.

Perhaps more importantly, partisan behavior remains the most stubborn of them all: however a person is voting or believing in their teens and twenties almost always locks in their behavior for the remainder of their lives.

The only thing that tends to upset that is a major party shakeup akin to a pole shift of some sort (see: the South/Democratic Party wrt racial issues, and even then, most of what ended Democratic dominance here was New Deal voters dying and younger voters embracing the times).

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If only our youth were like theirs and Hillary would have won handily

[dead0man]

If only our youth were like theirs and Hillary would have won handily

what, being able to hand wave away a little anti-Semitism?  I don't think that would have helped Hillary here, she's a lot of things but not an anti-Semite.

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If only our youth were like theirs and Hillary would have won handily

what, being able to hand wave away a little anti-Semitism?  I don't think that would have helped Hillary here, she's a lot of things but not an anti-Semite.

WTF? You're the only person who has brought up Jews on this thread.

Maybe you had multiple threads open at the same time and responded to the wrong one?

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Do we actually know what the margin was?

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Israel is a country, not a religion or an ethnic group. Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic.

[Pyro]

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The Far Left, the sorts of people who shouted "Bring the victory home!" as the Commies took over Saigon and Phnom Penh, are basically gone. The Millennial Generation does not want nationalization of industry. It is not hostile to Big Business itself, especially if it works for it and gets solid pay. Soviet-style economics have lost all appeal. It is telling that most of the former-Communist states of central and Balkan Europe sold off the 'socialist' ownership of the economy to be able to afford a social-welfare state.

"Millennials are not hostile to big business"
"Millennials do not want nationalization of industry."

Please, do tell how you've deciphered how an entire generation thinks.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

If only our youth were like theirs and Hillary would have won handily

what, being able to hand wave away a little anti-Semitism?  I don't think that would have helped Hillary here, she's a lot of things but not an anti-Semite.

This.  At best, Corbyn's a useful idiot for groups like Hamas.

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Anti-Israel stance & anti-Semitism isn't the same. You can support Muslims & be opposed to Saudi Arabia. Israel under Netanyahu is a horrible state. If Bernie Sanders wasn't a Jew who lost family members to Holocaust, and instead was say a Christian, he would be branded as anti-semitic !


Labour’s surge is underpinned by young voters. All the polling beforehand showed it was the most popular party among 18 to 24-year-olds, with YouGov finding 71 per cent  would vote Labour (compared with just 15 per cent backing the Conservatives.) Jeremy Corbyn’s campaign focused heavily on young people – a key manifesto pledge being to scrap tuition fees. His campaign style – rallies across the country, and fewer stage-managed speeches and press conferences than Theresa May – also appealed more to this demographic. In addition, Labour had viral news on its side. As BuzzFeed reported, pro-Corbyn articles by “alt-left” sites were shared on an enormous scale on social media. I hear that nearly 25 per cent of UK Facebook users watched a Momentum video on the website in the penultimate week of campaigning.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/06/thanks-jeremy-corbyn-young-people-swayed-2017-general-election-result

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The US Bernie Sanders campaigners lending Jeremy Corbyn a hand

This was the third in a series of training events held to coach Labour members on how to canvass voters. The sessions are held with the help of organisers from the Bernie Sanders campaign in the US. Erika Uyterhoeven, a 30-year-old from Boston, is one of those organisers. She is helping Momentum mobilise and together they have implemented technology never before used in a UK general election campaign. This includes:

My Nearest Marginal, a website which allows members to locate their nearest marginal and organise a carpool with others to travel there.

Peer-to-peer texting to drum up support.

And a phone-banking app that allows you to call Labour members from the comfort of your home.

“I got involved in politics through the Sanders campaign. I was the national out-of-state organising director, in charge of mobilising people to go from border states to higher-priority states,” Uyterhoeven told the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/30/the-us-sanders-campaigners-lending-corybn-hand-bernie-momentum

Inside Momentum: Bernie Sanders’ team’s tips for Labour activists

This time last year, Kim McMurray was in charge of training activists to support Bernie Sanders’ unsuccessful bid to be US president. This week, she appeared in a top-floor bar in the Tyneside Irish Centre in Newcastle to offer her experience to supporters of Jeremy Corbyn, the socialist leader of Britain’s Labour party. Members of the grassroots Momentum organisation — attended Ms McMurray’s seminar hoping for tips on how to turn the tide.

https://www.ft.com/content/f6ee2e08-3b01-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23

Corbyn's surge was largely brought by a left wing social media & online group called Momentum, meant to mobilize voters, especially the youth. Many people with Momentum or helping them out are ex-Bernie campaign people who travelled to the UK to help out & there was significant exchange of information !

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Criticism of Israel is not ipso facto anti-Semitic but can and often does contain (or, at worst, consist in) anti-Semitic dog whistles and innuendos. Corbyn hasn't to my knowledge been particularly bad about this himself, but he's given aid and comfort to people who have and it's legitimate to see it as a blot on him. I can't believe I have to spell this out.

I say this as someone who wants to come round on Corbyn but still considers this a real sticking point.

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If only our youth were like theirs and Hillary would have won handily

If only there was a Democrat running who was like Corbyn but with better favorables.

[Shadows]

If only our youth were like theirs and Hillary would have won handily

If only there was a Democrat running who was like Corbyn but with better favorables.

The key thing here is turnout, not just the huge landslide wins & this figure will be even more lopsided among 18-24! All demographics, plans, positioning, polls, media will bite the dust if that kind of turnout is seen among young people !

Also, Healthcare was the key issue (when UK has Universal Healthcare) in an an election meant to decide Brexit. (2018/2020 elections foreboding - How important healthcare is going to be ! )

Sky - Most important issue deciding vote

Health 23%, Economy 20%, Immigration 15%, Security & terrorism 14%, Britain's relationship with the EU 14%

[136or142]

Great turnout. As for the last bit, yes this generation is more liberal but will moderate with age. The social issues will die down and in terms of economics, I can't see the US going full on democratic-socialism or Corbyn style socialism. I can see more liberal trends but in steps, going faster in the next few decades when more millennials run and win office but anything of the far-left won't pass or last long in the US, esp up against the budget constraints we are facing.

People don't go conservative as they age, that's just a myth.  There's a reason support for gay marriage and marijuana legalization keeps going up and up and up.

I never changed my views from many years ago, but with my education in economics and a lot more reading,I smartened up a great deal and had a much firmer bases for my views.

My centrist/slightly left leaning political views originally came from reading late second hand copies of late 1960s/early 1970s Mad Magazines. 

It's kind of sad in a way though.  I remember a Mad Magazine cartoon showing a compromise on gun control of not banning but licensing guns in the same way as people earn a license to drive, and almost 50 years later, a common sense idea like this still can't get anywhere.