SFC: Body-cam study: Oakland police spoke less respectfully to black people

[Virginiá]

http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Study-of-body-cam-footage-finds-Oakland-police-11197147.php

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[Green Line]

Sad 🙄

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Oakland police is perfectly capable of beating the sh**t out of white people too.

[Reaganfan]

Did you know more blacks have died as a result of black on black crime in America the last five years than all the blacks lynched during the Civil War era?

You'd never know that based on the way liberals speak.

The black crime epidemic is awful and so yeah, I assume there is a higher risk weighed. It sucks, but what can you?

[The Arizonan]

Did you know more blacks have died as a result of black on black crime in America the last five years than all the blacks lynched during the Civil War era?

You'd never know that based on the way liberals speak.

The black crime epidemic is awful and so yeah, I assume there is a higher risk weighed. It sucks, but what can you?

If blacks weren't enslaved and oppressed for generations and then stuck in segregated neighborhoods and areas, then they wouldn't have had the levels of black on black crime that you are talking about.

[Reaganfan]

Did you know more blacks have died as a result of black on black crime in America the last five years than all the blacks lynched during the Civil War era?

You'd never know that based on the way liberals speak.

The black crime epidemic is awful and so yeah, I assume there is a higher risk weighed. It sucks, but what can you?

If blacks weren't enslaved and oppressed for generations and then stuck in segregated neighborhoods and areas, then they wouldn't have had the levels of black on black crime that you are talking about.

Liberal logic is ridiculous.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

hey reaganfan, did you know that more black americans have died at the hands of white policemen over the last five years than at the hands of pseudoïslamic terrorists, ever?

you'd never know that based on the way conservatives speak.

the police terrorism epidemic is awful etc etc

[Reaganfan]

hey reaganfan, did you know that more black americans have died at the hands of white policemen over the last five years than at the hands of pseudoïslamic terrorists, ever?

you'd never know that based on the way conservatives speak.

the police terrorism epidemic is awful etc etc

...and I bet 99.9999% of those were justified under American criminal law.

[Confused Democrat]

Did you know more blacks have died as a result of black on black crime in America the last five years than all the blacks lynched during the Civil War era?

You'd never know that based on the way liberals speak.

The black crime epidemic is awful and so yeah, I assume there is a higher risk weighed. It sucks, but what can you?

Did you know white men are responsible for a majority of mass shootings in the United States?

You'd never know that based on the way conservatives speak speak.

The white mass shooting epidemic is awful and so yeah, I assume there is a higher risk weighed. It sucks, but what can you?

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Did you know more blacks have died as a result of black on black crime in America the last five years than all the blacks lynched during the Civil War era?

You'd never know that based on the way liberals speak.

The black crime epidemic is awful and so yeah, I assume there is a higher risk weighed. It sucks, but what can you?

Did you know that the US is 10 times bigger now then it was back then. Also did you know that the social, cultural, and economic situtations in black area's tend to be much worse then those in area's of other races. And that racial bias is huge in the criminal justice system.

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~japhill/sp802.pdf (most of the disproportionate amount of violent crime in the black community can be explained by socioeconomic condition. The big problem the study cites with itself is that it's hard to find white area's with conditions as bad as those many black americans have to live in, not to mention white people being universally isolated from the kinds of racism black people face. And the fact that in rural area's(which are mostly white), you often know everyone you could commit a crime against, whereas in big cities, you don't)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/us/wrongful-convictions-race-exoneration.html
(note that the kinds of racial bias that would lead to blacks getting wrongfully imprisoned more and exonerated later would probably lead to a lower percent of wrongfully convicted getting exonerated among black people as well)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/08/racial_disparities_in_the_criminal_justice_system_eight_charts_illustrating.html
One thing to note is the fact that while white and black people use drugs at similar rates, black people are way more likely to go to jail for it

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-bias
On the disparities in search, when you only search white drivers for whom there is reasonable evidence that something might come up(and probably let quite a few who seem suspicious go), but you search many minority drivers for whom there isn't the slightest bit of suspicion, you're going to catch a much higher proportion of minority drivers who have contraband then whites, which is why whites get caught with contraband about 1.5-1.66 times more then minorities instead of at double the rates.

In general, this piece makes it clear that officers are more likely to use force against minorities, more likely to harass minorities, and that in general there is serious subconscious bias against minorities. This bias helps further the alienation and isolation of minority Americans from greater society. Look at the attention given to poverty in Appalachia and dead factory towns compared to that of poor urban majority-black areas and the black belt, despite poverty in the latter being worse and more widespread. Hell, compare how the "inner city" was sneered at and mocked by white america for its crippling poverty in the 80's vs the concern and desire for action in Appalachia and the rural Midwest now. Things like that are evidence of the alienation from society that makes things like gangs appealing(granting a sense of belonging, of brotherhood, of fighting back) for minorities.

[Badger]

Naso, just start saying ni%*er. We all know you really really want to. And so do you.

[The Arizonan]

Naso, just start saying ni%*er. We all know you really really want to. And so do you.

There's probably a video out there of him wearing a MAGA hat and saying the n-word.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

What is it that attracts racists to join the police?  Not making generalizations here, there are obviously plenty of cops that don't act like this.

[The Arizonan]

What is it that attracts racists to join the police?  Not making generalizations here, there are obviously plenty of cops that don't act like this.

No wonder I have a zillion fantasies about physically assaulting the police or even shooting an officer.

Did you know more blacks have died as a result of black on black crime in America the last five years than all the blacks lynched during the Civil War era?

You'd never know that based on the way liberals speak.

The black crime epidemic is awful and so yeah, I assume there is a higher risk weighed. It sucks, but what can you?

Did you know that the US is 10 times bigger now then it was back then. Also did you know that the social, cultural, and economic situtations in black area's tend to be much worse then those in area's of other races. And that racial bias is huge in the criminal justice system.

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~japhill/sp802.pdf (most of the disproportionate amount of violent crime in the black community can be explained by socioeconomic condition. The big problem the study cites with itself is that it's hard to find white area's with conditions as bad as those many black americans have to live in, not to mention white people being universally isolated from the kinds of racism black people face. And the fact that in rural area's(which are mostly white), you often know everyone you could commit a crime against, whereas in big cities, you don't)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/us/wrongful-convictions-race-exoneration.html
(note that the kinds of racial bias that would lead to blacks getting wrongfully imprisoned more and exonerated later would probably lead to a lower percent of wrongfully convicted getting exonerated among black people as well)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/08/racial_disparities_in_the_criminal_justice_system_eight_charts_illustrating.html
One thing to note is the fact that while white and black people use drugs at similar rates, black people are way more likely to go to jail for it

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-bias
On the disparities in search, when you only search white drivers for whom there is reasonable evidence that something might come up(and probably let quite a few who seem suspicious go), but you search many minority drivers for whom there isn't the slightest bit of suspicion, you're going to catch a much higher proportion of minority drivers who have contraband then whites, which is why whites get caught with contraband about 1.5-1.66 times more then minorities instead of at double the rates.

In general, this piece makes it clear that officers are more likely to use force against minorities, more likely to harass minorities, and that in general there is serious subconscious bias against minorities. This bias helps further the alienation and isolation of minority Americans from greater society. Look at the attention given to poverty in Appalachia and dead factory towns compared to that of poor urban majority-black areas and the black belt, despite poverty in the latter being worse and more widespread. Hell, compare how the "inner city" was sneered at and mocked by white america for its crippling poverty in the 80's vs the concern and desire for action in Appalachia and the rural Midwest now. Things like that are evidence of the alienation from society that makes things like gangs appealing(granting a sense of belonging, of brotherhood, of fighting back) for minorities.

Hopefully, the gangs can and will fight against voter suppression and the alt-right groups.

[Famous Mortimer]

What is it that attracts racists to join the police?  Not making generalizations here, there are obviously plenty of cops that don't act like this.

IQ limits for one. Police forces literally don't want to hire people who are too smart. They want people who will follow orders without thinking about them.

Additionally, the police force is one of the few avenues left for non-college educated Whites to become financially successful.

These are, of course, self re-reinforcing problems. If the police force is full of uneducated, culturally backwards White men, people who don't fit that profile simply don't want to join it, they don't want to be around people like that all day.

[Santander]

This is why I oppose body cams.

[GoTfan]

This is why I oppose body cams.

Why? Because they don't always show police in a flattering light?

[Santander]

This is why I oppose body cams.

Why? Because they don't always show police in a flattering light?

Because body cam proponents always say that they will only be used to investigate use of force, and that they are not intended to intrude on the privacy of police officers. I understand that policing is not and cannot be a "private" profession, but to be watched is to be controlled, and I think it is very unhealthy for police officers, and by extension, society as a whole, to know that body cam recordings will be used for anything other than investigating use of force or other violent incidents.

Policing is not a social experiment. It is outrageous that body cams were used in this way.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Something something thugs and criminals. Gangs!

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

to be watched is to be controlled

the police is supposed to be controlled by sociëty at large, sweetie

[SoLongAtlas]

Then Oakland people that don't like it should join the police force to change it from the inside. This isn't right but if they keep complaining and not willing to change the dynamics of the force, nothing will change.

[Badger]

What is it that attracts racists to join the police?  Not making generalizations here, there are obviously plenty of cops that don't act like this.

IQ limits for one. Police forces literally don't want to hire people who are too smart. They want people who will follow orders without thinking about them.

Additionally, the police force is one of the few avenues left for non-college educated Whites to become financially successful.

These are, of course, self re-reinforcing problems. If the police force is full of uneducated, culturally backwards White men, people who don't fit that profile simply don't want to join it, they don't want to be around people like that all day.

Wow. Even as a now defense attorney I can readily say this is some seriously stupid $hit right here.

[SoLongAtlas]

What is it that attracts racists to join the police?  Not making generalizations here, there are obviously plenty of cops that don't act like this.

IQ limits for one. Police forces literally don't want to hire people who are too smart. They want people who will follow orders without thinking about them.

Additionally, the police force is one of the few avenues left for non-college educated Whites to become financially successful.

These are, of course, self re-reinforcing problems. If the police force is full of uneducated, culturally backwards White men, people who don't fit that profile simply don't want to join it, they don't want to be around people like that all day.

Wow. Even as a now defense attorney I can readily say this is some seriously stupid $hit right here.

Agreed. While none of the departments require a four-year degree, 45 percent of the officers in the study have a degree anyway. Half of the officers had majored in criminal justice; the rest had degrees in disciplines such as psychology and business. http://www.futurity.org/are-college-educated-police-better-cops-851672/ Also you don't need to have a Masters or PhD to be a cop. You do need to provide good leadership, force protection training, etc. This thing about needed degrees to be a cop is overrated. If you want to go for chief, then yeah maybe criminal justice and/or PA/MPA but most of the stuff a cop does is OJT.

[Famous Mortimer]

What is it that attracts racists to join the police?  Not making generalizations here, there are obviously plenty of cops that don't act like this.

IQ limits for one. Police forces literally don't want to hire people who are too smart. They want people who will follow orders without thinking about them.

Additionally, the police force is one of the few avenues left for non-college educated Whites to become financially successful.

These are, of course, self re-reinforcing problems. If the police force is full of uneducated, culturally backwards White men, people who don't fit that profile simply don't want to join it, they don't want to be around people like that all day.

Wow. Even as a now defense attorney I can readily say this is some seriously stupid $hit right here.

Wow. Even when I post something critical of a predominantly White institution, Badger still attacks me in a substance-less ad hominem post. 

This is further proof that most of the stuff I say wouldn't even be considered that controversial if other posters said it.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

The Oakland PD hates everyone, right?