Can Muslims be white?

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

There can be white anything.  Let's not forget history here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRMp4U1dCUM

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Arabs make up a minority of Muslims. And at least until the next census we are considered whites, after that we aren't and I know plenty of white Muslims.

[Unapologetic Chinaperson]

Of course they can, just like they can be of any race. In fact, most American Muslims are African-American.

But when it comes to talking about discrimination, we usually use "Muslim" as a shorthand for "Middle Eastern," e.g. Arabs and Persians, since that's the mental image most Westerners have of Muslims. That's why non-Muslims who look "Middle Eastern," like Sikhs from India, are also targets for Islamophobia.

[ProudModerate2]

You guys are all making a moot point. Someone of English ancestry can convert to Islam.

Exactly.
I find it humorous that others are going on about Bosnia, Turkey, Indo-Europeans, little green people from Mars, etc, etc.
One's choice of faith has no boundaries (or borders).

[Kingpoleon]

Arabs are already considered "white" by the Census Bureau, so...

Semitic/Middle Eastern people are not white, so I have always found that strange.

[KingSweden]

Arabs are already considered "white" by the Census Bureau, so...

Semitic/Middle Eastern people are not white, so I have always found that strange.

They're not? It was my understanding it all generally flows from Phoenician/Mediterranean peoples in the Bronze Age ME

[Person Man]

Arabs are already considered "white" by the Census Bureau, so...

Semitic/Middle Eastern people are not white, so I have always found that strange.

They're not? It was my understanding it all generally flows from Phoenician/Mediterranean peoples in the Bronze Age ME

Well, kinda...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup

What's interesting is that Semites (J1), Persians/Caucasians(J2), and even paleo Balkan and German(I1/ I2a) people appear to be closer related to each other than other Europeans/Mediterranean (R1a,R1b, E3b1)

[KingSweden]

Arabs are already considered "white" by the Census Bureau, so...

Semitic/Middle Eastern people are not white, so I have always found that strange.

They're not? It was my understanding it all generally flows from Phoenician/Mediterranean peoples in the Bronze Age ME

Well, kinda...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup

What's interesting is that Semites, Persians, and even paleo Balkan and German people appear to be closer related to each other than other Europeans/Mediterraneans.

The Thracians/Scythians common in E. Europe back then probably explain that, along with various Hunnic peoples. It's my understanding the Goths were similar to the Gauls/Continental Celts

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Arabs are already considered "white" by the Census Bureau, so...

Semitic/Middle Eastern people are not white, so I have always found that strange.

They're not? It was my understanding it all generally flows from Phoenician/Mediterranean peoples in the Bronze Age ME

What are you saying flows from there?  Whiteness?

[RINO Tom]

What the  kind of a question is this?  LOL.  If a White person converts to Islam, he's obviously a White Muslim.

[136or142]

You guys are all making a moot point. Someone of English ancestry can convert to Islam.

Exactly.
I find it humorous that others are going on about Bosnia, Turkey, Indo-Europeans, little green people from Mars, etc, etc.
One's choice of faith has no boundaries (or borders).

If little green people from Mars came here and demonstrated their superior abilities, I, for one, would join the faith of our new alien overlords.

[Kingpoleon]

Arabs are already considered "white" by the Census Bureau, so...

Semitic/Middle Eastern people are not white, so I have always found that strange.

They're not? It was my understanding it all generally flows from Phoenician/Mediterranean peoples in the Bronze Age ME

Generally speaking, Middle Eastern people(those in the Levant) are essentially the place where Arabic, Egyptian/African, Greek/European, and Iranian/Asian peoples and cultures mixed. A good portion of European ancestry came from Northeast Asia and light skinned North Africans. Obviously, the skin color/ancestry came from the people who were north of the Caucasus Mountains and west of the Ural Mountains. The name Caucasian would be more accurately described as Upper/Northern Caucasian or Western Uralian.

[vanguard96]

With the US census category addition they will start the pandering for votes and claims of racism to further divide us will increase.

[ProudModerate2]

You guys are all making a moot point. Someone of English ancestry can convert to Islam.

Exactly.
I find it humorous that others are going on about Bosnia, Turkey, Indo-Europeans, little green people from Mars, etc, etc.
One's choice of faith has no boundaries (or borders).

If little green people from Mars came here and demonstrated their superior abilities, I, for one, would join the faith of our new alien overlords.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Weren't many of the Islamic rulers in Spain light-skinned?

[they don't love you like i love you]

These results make me wonder why so many sometimes use a very stupid "white\Muslim" dichotomy.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Yes (normal, White person, lifelong Muslim)

[they don't love you like i love you]

Bumping because I learned this is the first ever Muslim woman to receive double digits in a major party Congressional primary, and the first Muslim to ever serve in the Iowa legislature:


Yeah, case closed.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Weren't many of the Islamic rulers in Spain light-skinned?

That reminds me of a Crusader Kings 2 game I played where the main "villain" (at least from my perspective) was a very light skinned French Muslim ruler. Basically the Catholics in Iberia fell fast and France was easy for the Muslims to gobble up once it collapsed in a series of civil wars.

I did manage to defeat him and re-Catholicize a bunch of French territory but not accomplish my goal of converting to Orthodox and then Orthodoxizing the British Isles.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Apparently, according to at least one Hadith, Mohammed himself was white.

Weren't many of the Islamic rulers in Spain light-skinned?

That reminds me of a Crusader Kings 2 game I played where the main "villain" (at least from my perspective) was a very light skinned French Muslim ruler. Basically the Catholics in Iberia fell fast and France was easy for the Muslims to gobble up once it collapsed in a series of civil wars.

I did manage to defeat him and re-Catholicize a bunch of French territory but not accomplish my goal of converting to Orthodox and then Orthodoxizing the British Isles.

That sounds like a pretty interesting game, occasionally I think about buying a Paradox game but then they look too tedious so I stick to Total War.

[Person Man]

Not to split hairs or that I actually truly subscribe to this but could “white” be on several different parameters. I mean, there could be people who “look white”, “Are culturally white”, and are “ancestrally white”. Someone could be very white and one way and kind of brown, yellow, or even black in another.

[RINO Tom]

"White" is a lot more modern of a term than other dividing lines between peoples.  Most people in the United States and even Europe lazily use "White" to mean European Indo Europeans and make exceptions to include some outlier groups like Finns, Hungarians and Basques (and completely ignore non-European Indo Europeans like Iranian and Indic peoples).  Someone being "White" has more to do with how they simply look to most people than it does their ethnic background.

[Senator Incitatus]

No, because nobody is white.

[Person Man]

No, because nobody is white.

What if I was white?

[Person Man]

"White" is a lot more modern of a term than other dividing lines between peoples.  Most people in the United States and even Europe lazily use "White" to mean European Indo Europeans and make exceptions to include some outlier groups like Finns, Hungarians and Basques (and completely ignore non-European Indo Europeans like Iranian and Indic peoples).  Someone being "White" has more to do with how they simply look to most people than it does their ethnic background.

And even then... when does white, yellow, brown, and black begin? There are a lot of places, especially in Southern Europe and Central Asia where people who lived amongst  each other for hundreds, if not thousands, of years that look like they are not from Florence, Madrid, or Almaty but from Hamburg, Oslo, Riyadh, or even Veranasi.