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« on: June 12, 2017, 10:11:33 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2017, 10:13:59 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2017, 10:16:19 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

Whoa man tell us how you really feel, stop sugar coating it!

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2017, 10:25:57 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

Whoa man tell us how you really feel, stop sugar coating it!



I am not a fan of ayn rand at all, but she is right on when she called russia the ugliest country to ever exist.

Why do you think that russians in america never think of even visiting their homeland again?
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2017, 10:27:42 PM »

both countries do it
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2017, 09:25:54 AM »

Disgraceful. Russia is the most heroic country in the history of the world, this is not how they deserve to be treated.
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2017, 09:27:20 AM »

Through a public law? Trump could veto it, though that would most likely be overriden.

LOL at Santander's answer.
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2017, 09:30:51 AM »

Trump should veto this. Sanctions targeting a nation's economy are not good policy.
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2017, 09:35:27 AM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

Whoa man tell us how you really feel, stop sugar coating it!



I am not a fan of ayn rand at all, but she is right on when she called russia the ugliest country to ever exist.

Why do you think that russians in america never think of even visiting their homeland again?

As a friend from Russia who I went to college with said "most of the things in America you hear about foreign countries is wrong, but everything bad about Putin you hear is correct".
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2017, 11:42:00 AM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

Whoa man tell us how you really feel, stop sugar coating it!



I am not a fan of ayn rand at all, but she is right on when she called russia the ugliest country to ever exist.

Why do you think that russians in america never think of even visiting their homeland again?

I agree with you man just giving you a hard time haha Wink
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2017, 01:54:54 PM »

It passed the Senate 97-2
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2017, 02:31:36 PM »

Russia is an awful country in the sense that it has a malevolent government and is by most accounts deeply unpleasant to live in, sure, but to make vertiginous, all-implicating judgments about nothing good ever coming out of it is absurd, especially given its historical role in the fine arts.

And, yeah, sanctions are terrible policy and terrible geopolitics, with very few exceptions.
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2017, 02:42:05 PM »


Wow. Overwhelming vote.
But yet the orange-clown believes everything Russia has done, is fake news.
How could 97 Senators see it, but everyone in the trump administration not ?
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2017, 03:41:51 PM »

Great news. A country that cyberattacks and especially the integrity of American elections must be punished heavily enough to deter future attempts for all time, and to deter any other countries that could try the same. Glad to see Senate Republicans have at least some nationalism left in them.
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2017, 03:43:41 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2017, 03:46:48 PM by azcactus »

Not sure how to feel about this. Putin is an awful, meddling fascist, but punishing the Russian people for it is a poor show.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2017, 03:45:29 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

I suppose you would prefer all of Central Asia be illiterate.
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2017, 03:55:46 PM »

Not sure how to feel about this. Putin is an awful, meddling fascist, but punishing the Russian people for it is a poor show.

I understand what you are saying, but when you (the USA and other European nations) already have dozens of sanctions directly aimed at Russian government officials for ills they have conducted, it's time to step-up the game.

Sometimes nation-wide sanctions will get the attention of the citizens of the effected country, and they in turn will demand changes of their government officials. I believe this was very effective in Iran, when the world placed many sanctions on that country. The people there stood-up and wanted better (economic) relations with the world. It usually takes many years for such sanctions to "take," but the longer you delay, the longer any positive outcome will be seen.
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2017, 03:57:47 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

I suppose you would prefer all of Central Asia be illiterate.

In other words: "Those savages would be illiterate had the noble Russians not shouldered the burden of colonizing their land."

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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2017, 04:28:41 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

I suppose you would prefer all of Central Asia be illiterate.

You don't seem the type to be fond of the Soviet Union.
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2017, 04:32:02 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

I suppose you would prefer all of Central Asia be illiterate.

In other words: "Those savages would be illiterate had the noble Russians not shouldered the burden of colonizing their land."


The literature I refer to is rather dated, but the implication is that capital transfers reversed in the Soviet period, meaning that Central Asia received more than it produced, at least up to the 60's/70's. Any idiot will tell you that the period also saw marked increases in literacy (and a lessening of the gender disparity regarding such) in the region. That this was not worth the sacrifice that it implied--or, the negative effects of the Soviet Union's overall existence--we both might agree on. That said, it would be beyond idiotic to claim that Russia has produced absolutely nothing of value.

I suppose you would rather we had no periodic table of elements.
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2017, 04:32:31 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

I suppose you would prefer all of Central Asia be illiterate.

You don't seem the type to be fond of the Soviet Union.

Your point?
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2017, 04:34:50 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

I suppose you would prefer all of Central Asia be illiterate.

You don't seem the type to be fond of the Soviet Union.

Your point?

That the nation responsible for putting Central Asian literacy nearly on par with the modern West isn't the contemporary Russian Federation, but the Soviet Union.
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2017, 04:37:36 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

I suppose you would prefer all of Central Asia be illiterate.

You don't seem the type to be fond of the Soviet Union.

Your point?

That the nation responsible for putting Central Asian literacy nearly on par with the modern West isn't the contemporary Russian Federation, but the Soviet Union.

I am aware of such. Nevertheless, the USSR, was created and then--particularly in its formative days--run primarily by Russians, so I feel considering them somewhat equivalent within the context of this conversation acceptable.
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2017, 05:08:28 PM »

Russia, frankly, is not a country worthy of existing. They have, for the most part, been a huge anchor on the world and caused innumerable amounts of misery.

There is very little redeeming qualities of russia, and my life has not been made better by anything that has come out of that cold wasteland.

I suppose you would prefer all of Central Asia be illiterate.

In other words: "Those savages would be illiterate had the noble Russians not shouldered the burden of colonizing their land."


The literature I refer to is rather dated, but the implication is that capital transfers reversed in the Soviet period, meaning that Central Asia received more than it produced, at least up to the 60's/70's. Any idiot will tell you that the period also saw marked increases in literacy (and a lessening of the gender disparity regarding such) in the region. That this was not worth the sacrifice that it implied--or, the negative effects of the Soviet Union's overall existence--we both might agree on. That said, it would be beyond idiotic to claim that Russia has produced absolutely nothing of value.

I suppose you would rather we had no periodic table of elements.

I mean, this is the standard pro-imperialist argument. It ignores that capital tends to move to less-developed areas with natural resources even if they are independent. By your argument, Iran should be illiterate since it never had the honor of being under the boot-heel of Soviet overlords.

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Indeed, the USSR for all its faults had an illustrious history and Russia would be a much better place if it embraced its progressive Soviet roots. Stop supporting far right politicians and support anti-racism instead. Stop suppressing gay rights and human rights. Support democratic elections instead of trying to hack them. Renounce imperialism in Ukraine and elsewhere.
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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2017, 05:13:39 PM »

Odds Trump vetoes?
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