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Question: If it wasn't for 'Nam would LBJ be one the best Presidents in the 20th Century?
Yes--- Top 3 or 4   -44 (62.9%)
Yes--- Top 5 or 6   -10 (14.3%)
Maybe---- but gets bumped off the top of the charts   -6 (8.6%)
No--- Decent Pres but issues with social and economic policies   -4 (5.7%)
No--- One of the worst Ever   -6 (8.6%)
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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2017, 08:41:19 am »
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Without 'Nam he would have been the American Merkel.
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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2017, 03:00:04 am »
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No. Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan, and Clinton would be the top six. I would argue Kennedy, Ford, and H. W. were better Presidents, too.

Johnson made it quite clear he was doing it for political reasons, and the Great Society ending up pushing along stagflation.
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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2017, 08:58:08 am »
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He'd easily be top two, probably behind FDR. Of course, without Vietnam he'd likely have been President for a decade, and who knows how the additional four years would have pushed him. Regardless, the Great Society is one of the most impactful pieces of legislation ever passed, and to rank LBJ below a doddering idiot like Reagan is a hack move.
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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2017, 09:00:13 am »
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He'd easily be top two, probably behind FDR. Of course, without Vietnam he'd likely have been President for a decade, and who knows how the additional four years would have pushed him. Regardless, the Great Society is one of the most impactful pieces of legislation ever passed
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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2017, 12:54:47 pm »
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The crazy thing is, until 1963 LBJ would have been castigated by far-left liberals of the jfern set as a Dixiecrat, Russell ally, sellout centrist in the pocket of the military-industrial complex, who stabbed African-Americans in the back with the toothless Civil Rights Act of 1957.
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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2017, 03:09:06 pm »
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The crazy thing is, until 1963 LBJ would have been castigated by far-left liberals of the jfern set as a Dixiecrat, Russell ally, sellout centrist in the pocket of the military-industrial complex, who stabbed African-Americans in the back with the toothless Civil Rights Act of 1957.

He still should be thought of as those things.
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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2017, 06:11:13 pm »
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The crazy thing is, until 1963 LBJ would have been castigated by far-left liberals of the jfern set as a Dixiecrat, Russell ally, sellout centrist in the pocket of the military-industrial complex, who stabbed African-Americans in the back with the toothless Civil Rights Act of 1957.

He still should be thought of as those things.
I'd hardly call him a centrist. I'd call him the biggest flip flopper ever to win a nomination.
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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2017, 11:35:25 pm »
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« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2017, 11:38:57 pm »
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Johnson is already one of the best 20th century presidents even considering Vietnam.
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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2017, 11:46:39 pm »
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Johnson is already one of the best 20th century presidents even considering Vietnam.

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« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2017, 05:27:42 pm »
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No, his manipulation of the federal reserve caused stagflation for one thing. His immigration policies have had mixed effects, helping bring talent here but also causing tensions. The large expansion of the welfare state is also a very mixed legacy, helping many but also causing long term societal decay. The CRA and VRA are big accomplishments and Johnson does deserve credit for those. As a side note the CRA had bipartisan support and bipartisan opposition and either side trying to deny that is a little silly.
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