Culture Gap Could Keep Democrats From Gaining Seats in 2006

[A18]

No, actually Kerry's favorability rating has dropped to 42%. And that's among adults.

[AuH2O]

If Boxer is so wonderful why aren't Democrats clamoring for her to run for President?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

No, actually Kerry's favorability rating has dropped to 42%. And that's among adults.

Probably some people are pissed off at him for losing.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

If Boxer is so wonderful why aren't Democrats clamoring for her to run for President?

Some are, but we do recognize that despite the fact that she has the record for votes in a non-Presidential election, the most liberal Senator might not be the most electable.

[AuH2O]

So you admit she is extreme?

[TheresNoMoney]

If Boxer is so wonderful why aren't Democrats clamoring for her to run for President?

Because she wouldn't win. But she'd be a great president.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You still can't give me specific examples of how she's "loony" or "extremist". You're just repeating right-wing spin.

Every year she's been in the Senate she's got a 100% rating from NARAL. In her entire career she has supported gun owners 0% of the time.

And what about her bizarre grandstanding about the Ohio EV's?

Genuine Boxer quote:

"Those who survived the San Francisco earthquake said, 'Thank God, I'm still alive.' But, of course, those who died, their lives will never be the same again."

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No she hasn't

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Public sector unions in California endorse anyone with a "D" next to their name

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No she doesn't. She just blindly votes for the Democratic postion.

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Missing my point entirely...

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Moving towards moderate positions on wedge issues would be a good start

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NARAL comes to mind methinks

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Boxer has a ton of 100% labor ratings.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0105103&type=category&category=Labor

She has the maximum liberal rating on most education ratings
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0105103&type=category&category=Labor

She has high ratings on environmental ratings, including 100% on the National Parks Conservation Association
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0105103&type=category&category=Environmental%2BIssues&go.x=12&go.y=2

Her health ratings are almots all 100%.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0105103&type=category&category=Health%2BIssues&go.x=3&go.y=15

She using has the maximum liberal rating on Housing and Property rights.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0105103&type=category&category=Housing%2Band%2BProperty%2BIssues&go.x=11&go.y=2

She has very high ratings from the pro-SS senior groups.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0105103&type=category&category=Senior%2Band%2BSocial%2BSecurity%2BIssues&go.x=1&go.y=8

She stands for ordinary working class people, unlike what the Democratic party would be like if they listened to you, Al.

[KEmperor]

She has 100% ratings from every liberal group out there, and you think this is the direction your party needs to go in?  Good.

[Blue Rectangle]

She has 100% ratings from every liberal group out there, and you think this is the direction your party needs to go in?  Good.

Wasn't he trying to prove that Boxer is not an extremist?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

You still can't give me specific examples of how she's "loony" or "extremist". You're just repeating right-wing spin.

Every year she's been in the Senate she's got a 100% rating from NARAL. In her entire career she has supported gun owners 0% of the time.

Californians don't seem to care. Why should you care?

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I suppose you're one of those fools who thinks that FL 2000 wasn't stolen?

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Every politician has some quote like that. Who cares?

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No she hasn't
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Quit repeating the same lack of an argument over and over again.

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Public sector unions in California endorse anyone with a "D" next to their name

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Sure they tend not to endorse people like Arnold who call unions special intersts, but hey don't necessarily give the Democrats as good ratings as they give Boxer. These are national labor groups that rated her.

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No she doesn't. She just blindly votes for the Democratic postion.
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Dude, a 3 year old can argue better than you. Was challenging the Ohio vote the Democratic position? Burn.

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Missing my point entirely...
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What point?

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Moving towards moderate positions on wedge issues would be a good start
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Which wedge issues? Should we come out against Roe. vs Wade, even though 65% of Americans support it?

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NARAL comes to mind methinks
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Yeah, they're in the most extreme 65% of America.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

She has 100% ratings from every liberal group out there, and you think this is the direction your party needs to go in?  Good.

Wasn't he trying to prove that Boxer is not an extremist?

I was trying to prove that Al was a moron when he said that she doesn't stand for the ordinary working class.

[Virginian87]

If Boxer is so wonderful why aren't Democrats clamoring for her to run for President?

Because she wouldn't win. But she'd be a great president.

She wouldn't win because she is extreme.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

If Boxer is so wonderful why aren't Democrats clamoring for her to run for President?

Because she wouldn't win. But she'd be a great president.

She wouldn't win because she is extreme.

She ran significantly better than Kerry, and got the most votes anyone has ever gotten in a non Presidential election in US history.

[TheresNoMoney]

Just because she's pro gun-control doesn't come close to making her an extremist.

Boxer is a champion of working Americans. And like Paul Wellstone said "Fighting for working Americans is always the right fight". Who cares about divisive social issues? They're only used by Republicans to distract people from their destructive economic agenda.

JFern is correct in all of his arguments.

[TheresNoMoney]

She wouldn't win because she is extreme.

She wouldn't win because Republicans have already demonized her and weak-knee'd Democrats like you buy into it and repeat the spin.

And again, you have no specific information to back up your claim of her being extreme. You just repeat right-wing spin over and over again.

[Blue Rectangle]

If Boxer is so wonderful why aren't Democrats clamoring for her to run for President?

Because she wouldn't win. But she'd be a great president.

She wouldn't win because she is extreme.

She ran significantly better than Kerry, and got the most votes anyone has ever gotten in a non Presidential election in US history.

OK, so if California seceeds and she runs for President of California, she would win.

[A18]

lol, Scoonie is such a riot. Jfern just posted like five links giving her 100% ratings from liberal groups, and he insists there's no evidence she's extreme.

There are working millionaires, and no, government catering to any specific group at the expense of freedom is wrong.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Yes, it is. They prove that you don't have to be spineless and move to the center to win.

The ONLY reason why the GOP has not had to move towards the centre is BECAUSE of the perception that the national Dems are run by out of touch far left liberal elitists

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You what?

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Extremist=Loony. Yep, seems fair to me

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I've never suggested bringing back segregation or anything...

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*sigh*

Her extreme positions on so many issues worry working class voters

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Are you even talking about the same thing as me or...?

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Bill "Bubba" Clinton was President from 1993 until 2001

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The phrase was LOONY left not left...

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You what?

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WHERE?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

lol, Scoonie is such a riot. Jfern just posted like five links giving her 100% ratings from liberal groups, and he insists there's no evidence she's extreme.

There are working millionaires, and no, government catering to any specific group at the expense of freedom is wrong.

You probably think that the 86% of America who want to raise the minimum wage are extreme.

[A18]

lol, Scoonie is such a riot. Jfern just posted like five links giving her 100% ratings from liberal groups, and he insists there's no evidence she's extreme.

There are working millionaires, and no, government catering to any specific group at the expense of freedom is wrong.

You probably think that the 86% of America who want to raise the minimum wage are extreme.

No, I don't. In fact, I don't even mind minimum wage much. I think it's wrong, but so are most government programs. Raise it a bit and index for inflation. Anything over that can be handled on a state-by-state basis.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Yes, it is. They prove that you don't have to be spineless and move to the center to win.

The ONLY reason why the GOP has not had to move towards the centre is BECAUSE of the perception that the national Dems are run by out of touch far left liberal elitists

Ummm, maybe change that stupid perception then? It's as clear as daylight that the Republican party is run by far-right social darwinists.

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You what?
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You are calling for the Democratic party to abandon their base. So does that mean that they get more conservative on issues where they were already pretty conservative like minimum wage and universal health care?

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Extremist=Loony. Yep, seems fair to me
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Here in the reality based world, our arguments use evidence.

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I've never suggested bringing back segregation or anything...
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Well, gee, that's good to know, but I wasn't thinking of that issue anyways.

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*sigh*

Her extreme positions on so many issues worry working class voters
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Worry them so much that she gets high ratings from pro-labor groups and just won re-election in a landslide?

Break down by income

Boxer won > 15k 70-26
Boxer won 15-30k 69-28
Boxer won 30k-50k 61-35
Boxer won 50k-75k 55-42
Boxer won 75k-100k 56-43
Boxer won 100k-150k 60-40
Boxer lost 150k-200k 49-50
Boxer lost > 200k 39-58

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Are you even talking about the same thing as me or...?
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You seem to support abandoning a lot of the Democratic party's principles.

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Bill "Bubba" Clinton was President from 1993 until 2001
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Ever heard of charisma?

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What?

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The phrase was LOONY left not left...
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Define loony left? WTF is the difference?

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You what?
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You seem to want the Democratic party to out-Republican the Republican party. That's not the way to go. Even Ronald Wilson Reagan Jr. agrees with me there.

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WHERE?
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Where you bashed the left.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

lol, Scoonie is such a riot. Jfern just posted like five links giving her 100% ratings from liberal groups, and he insists there's no evidence she's extreme.

There are working millionaires, and no, government catering to any specific group at the expense of freedom is wrong.

You probably think that the 86% of America who want to raise the minimum wage are extreme.

No, I don't. In fact, I don't even mind minimum wage much. I think it's wrong, but so are most government programs. Raise it a bit and index for inflation. Anything over that can be handled on a state-by-state basis.

Did you suddenly become more moderate?

[A18]

No, I oppose minimum wage. It's just not a big deal.

[TheresNoMoney]

lol, Scoonie is such a riot. Jfern just posted like five links giving her 100% ratings from liberal groups, and he insists there's no evidence she's extreme.

Oh yeah, 100% ratings from pro-labor, pro-education, pro-environment, pro-property rights, pro-Social Security, and pro-health care groups make her an extremist!! That actually makes her an exemplary Senator.

What kind of sick bast*rd do you have to be to oppose those issues?