Culture Gap Could Keep Democrats From Gaining Seats in 2006

[Virginian87]

She wouldn't win because she is extreme.

She wouldn't win because Republicans have already demonized her and weak-knee'd Democrats like you buy into it and repeat the spin.

And again, you have no specific information to back up your claim of her being extreme. You just repeat right-wing spin over and over again.

Oh yeah, I'm a weak-kneed Democrat.  I'm a realist.  You're the one that's living a leftist fantasy.  This is not right-wing spin.  It's true that she is significantly farther to the left than most Americans.  Maybe you should pay a visit to the South or the MidWest instead of just believing stereotypes about it.  Seriously, the entire US is not like the northeast and California.  Just keep thinking that and we'll lose elections for the next 30 years too.  

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She wouldn't win because she is extreme.

She wouldn't win because Republicans have already demonized her and weak-knee'd Democrats like you buy into it and repeat the spin.

And again, you have no specific information to back up your claim of her being extreme. You just repeat right-wing spin over and over again.

Oh yeah, I'm a weak-kneed Democrat.  I'm a realist.  You're the one that's living a leftist fantasy.  This is not right-wing spin.  It's true that she is significantly farther to the left than most Americans.  Maybe you should pay a visit to the South or the MidWest instead of just believing stereotypes about it.  Seriously, the entire US is not like the northeast and California.  Just keep thinking that and we'll lose elections for the next 30 years too. 

We're not claiming that Boxer would be the most electable Presidential candidate. However, she has done quite well in CA. Al seems hopelessly confused about her, calling her both a far-left extremist and saying that she doesn't stand up for ordinary working class. Both of those are wrong.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ummm, maybe change that stupid perception then? It's as clear as daylight that the Republican party is run by far-right social darwinists.

Sigh...

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No I am not

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No. The Democrats should move into the mainstream; on some issues that does actually mean moving to the left oddly enough.

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Here in the real reality based word, we have eyes so we can see that said evidence has been posted a couple of paragraphs up
 

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What were you thinking of?

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Since when was abortion on demand a key principle of the Democratic party?

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So? He was still a flip-flopper. He was still a moderate. He wasn't an extremist.

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Extreme left. Insane left. You.

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Have you actually read anything I've written or are you arguing with the evil GOP bogeyman in your head?

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So bashing the loony left, the LOONY left, is the same as... no I don't think I'll bother...[/quote][/quote]

[A18]

lol, Scoonie is such a riot. Jfern just posted like five links giving her 100% ratings from liberal groups, and he insists there's no evidence she's extreme.

Oh yeah, 100% ratings from pro-labor, pro-education, pro-environment, pro-property rights, pro-Social Security, and pro-health care groups make her an extremist!! That actually makes her an exemplary Senator.

What kind of sick bast*rd do you have to be to oppose those issues?

"Pro" is vague. I think you mean she's pro-socialism, anti- school choice, pro- housing subsidies, against individual liberty, and pro-Hillarycare.

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1. Why are the needs of the CA working class so incredibly different from those elsewhere? If anything, they're greater in CA, due to a higher cost of living.
2. If he's so extreme right-wing then how did he get elected CA secretary of state in 1994 and 1998? He's really  to the left of Bush.



Explain what the difference between the left and loony left is, you reality-challenged fool. [/quote][/quote]

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lol, Scoonie is such a riot. Jfern just posted like five links giving her 100% ratings from liberal groups, and he insists there's no evidence she's extreme.

Oh yeah, 100% ratings from pro-labor, pro-education, pro-environment, pro-property rights, pro-Social Security, and pro-health care groups make her an extremist!! That actually makes her an exemplary Senator.

What kind of sick bast*rd do you have to be to oppose those issues?

"Pro" is vague. I think you mean she's pro-socialism, anti- school choice, pro- housing subsidies, against individual liberty, and pro-Hillarycare.

PRO-HILLARYCARE? OH NOES!!!!!

[Virginian87]

She wouldn't win because she is extreme.

She wouldn't win because Republicans have already demonized her and weak-knee'd Democrats like you buy into it and repeat the spin.

And again, you have no specific information to back up your claim of her being extreme. You just repeat right-wing spin over and over again.

Oh yeah, I'm a weak-kneed Democrat.  I'm a realist.  You're the one that's living a leftist fantasy.  This is not right-wing spin.  It's true that she is significantly farther to the left than most Americans.  Maybe you should pay a visit to the South or the MidWest instead of just believing stereotypes about it.  Seriously, the entire US is not like the northeast and California.  Just keep thinking that and we'll lose elections for the next 30 years too. 

We're not claiming that Boxer would be the most electable Presidential candidate. However, she has done quite well in CA. Al seems hopelessly confused about her, calling her both a far-left extremist and saying that she doesn't stand up for ordinary working class. Both of those are wrong.

I'm slightly more liberal economically than I am socially, so I appreciate her standing up for the working class.  But socially she's very liberal.  That's all I was saying.  Moderates like Al, Ben, and myself want to help the Democratic Party, but it's hard to do if we're labeled as weak-knee'd and accused of being brainwashed with right-wing spin.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Californians don't seem to care.

Californians are not representative of America as a whole

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Er... I was just pointing out why she's an extremist...

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Look... BLACK HELICOPTERS!!!!!!

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I think I've pointed out my arguement on this a couple of times...

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Any Democratic Senator that votes party line on certain issues will get 100% ratings from some Unions. Not impressive.

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I was refering to economic issues, something that was kinda implied I think.
And challenging the Ohio vote is the Insane Left position...

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*slaps forehead*

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You know I think that coming out against unrestricted Abotion is something that most Americans would approve of.

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NARAL does NOT represent 65% of America. NARAL want abortions on demand at any stage in the pregnancy. That is an extreme (and frankly quite sick) position. Most Americans do not share NARAL's views.

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She wouldn't win because she is extreme.

She wouldn't win because Republicans have already demonized her and weak-knee'd Democrats like you buy into it and repeat the spin.

And again, you have no specific information to back up your claim of her being extreme. You just repeat right-wing spin over and over again.

Oh yeah, I'm a weak-kneed Democrat.  I'm a realist.  You're the one that's living a leftist fantasy.  This is not right-wing spin.  It's true that she is significantly farther to the left than most Americans.  Maybe you should pay a visit to the South or the MidWest instead of just believing stereotypes about it.  Seriously, the entire US is not like the northeast and California.  Just keep thinking that and we'll lose elections for the next 30 years too. 

We're not claiming that Boxer would be the most electable Presidential candidate. However, she has done quite well in CA. Al seems hopelessly confused about her, calling her both a far-left extremist and saying that she doesn't stand up for ordinary working class. Both of those are wrong.

I'm slightly more liberal economically than I am socially, so I appreciate her standing up for the working class.  But socially she's very liberal.  That's all I was saying.  Moderates like Al, Ben, and myself want to help the Democratic Party, but it's hard to do if we're labeled as weak-knee'd and accused of being brainwashed with right-wing spin.

Well, anyone who spends more time bashing liberals than Republicans deserves such a label. The question is where your priorities are.

[phk]

Heres a good reccomedation for us.

We should go against abortion but be for killing babies.

[MODU]

She has 100% ratings from every liberal group out there, and you think this is the direction your party needs to go in?  Good.

Wasn't he trying to prove that Boxer is not an extremist?

hahaha . . . that's what I was thinking. 

[TheresNoMoney]

I'm slightly more liberal economically than I am socially, so I appreciate her standing up for the working class.  But socially she's very liberal.  That's all I was saying.

You should've just said that at the beginning and we could've avoided most of this thread.  Your whole argument is that she's too socially liberal. Noted.

I think 20 years from now we'll look back at this time and wonder why the hell we were so obsessed with divisive social issues.  We'll probably laugh. I don't agree with Barbara on gun control but I hardly see that as a very important issue. Hunters will still be able to hunt and people will still be able to buy guns for protection (with a permit).

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Californians don't seem to care.

Californians are not representative of America as a whole

Neither is almost any other state

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Er... I was just pointing out why she's an extremist...
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How is she an extremist?

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Look... BLACK HELICOPTERS!!!!!!
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You're a total fool if you think that FL 2000 wasn't stolen. Do you really believe that Bush won it fair and square?

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Any Democratic Senator that votes party line on certain issues will get 100% ratings from some Unions. Not impressive.

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You know I think that coming out against unrestricted Abotion is something that most Americans would approve of.
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Quite a lot of Democrats are against unrestricted Abortion. However, it didn't seem to hurt Boxer.

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NARAL does NOT represent 65% of America. NARAL want abortions on demand at any stage in the pregnancy. That is an extreme (and frankly quite sick) position. Most Americans do not share NARAL's views.
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65% of Americans want Roe vs. Wade to be upheld. They fight for that 65%, not the wingnuts like you.
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Heres a good reccomedation for us.

We should go against abortion but be for killing babies.

Hey, it works for the Republicans.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

1. Why are the needs of the CA working class so incredibly different from those elsewhere? If anything, they're greater in CA, due to a higher cost of living.

There's still a working class in California?

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California just loves it's nutters

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You need to ask? Loony Left=Extreme Left

[Virginian87]

She wouldn't win because she is extreme.

She wouldn't win because Republicans have already demonized her and weak-knee'd Democrats like you buy into it and repeat the spin.

And again, you have no specific information to back up your claim of her being extreme. You just repeat right-wing spin over and over again.

Oh yeah, I'm a weak-kneed Democrat.  I'm a realist.  You're the one that's living a leftist fantasy.  This is not right-wing spin.  It's true that she is significantly farther to the left than most Americans.  Maybe you should pay a visit to the South or the MidWest instead of just believing stereotypes about it.  Seriously, the entire US is not like the northeast and California.  Just keep thinking that and we'll lose elections for the next 30 years too. 

We're not claiming that Boxer would be the most electable Presidential candidate. However, she has done quite well in CA. Al seems hopelessly confused about her, calling her both a far-left extremist and saying that she doesn't stand up for ordinary working class. Both of those are wrong.

I'm slightly more liberal economically than I am socially, so I appreciate her standing up for the working class.  But socially she's very liberal.  That's all I was saying.  Moderates like Al, Ben, and myself want to help the Democratic Party, but it's hard to do if we're labeled as weak-knee'd and accused of being brainwashed with right-wing spin.

Well, anyone who spends more time bashing liberals than Republicans deserves such a label. The question is where your priorities are.

This thread is about the Democrats not the Republicans.  Why should I criticize Republicans in this thread when they have nothing to do with the topic?  I probably don't like the Bush Administration as much as you do.  My priorities lie with Democrats winning.

[KEmperor]

Do you support Democrats not voting party line on union issues? Why do you hate unions?

LOL, yeah Al, why do you hate unions?

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1. Why are the needs of the CA working class so incredibly different from those elsewhere? If anything, they're greater in CA, due to a higher cost of living.

There's still a working class in California?

And you accuse the left of being out of touch.

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California just loves it's nutters
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California is a Democratic-leaning state, so obviously this Republican couldn't have been too crazy right wing. He's definitely more moderate than Bush.

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You need to ask? Loony Left=Extreme Left
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Define it. What makes someone loony or extreme left? I can tell you right now that if someone who was really extreme left had run for CA Senate, Jones would have won.

[A18]

PRO-HILLARYCARE? OH NOES!!!!!

Yeah. I want to be able to work less for other people, and more for myself.

Does anyone actually think Boxer could carry California in a presidential election? Senator and president are two very different jobs.

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PRO-HILLARYCARE? OH NOES!!!!!

Yeah. I want to be able to work less for other people, and more for myself.

Does anyone actually think Boxer could carry California in a presidential election? Senator and president are two very different jobs.

If the best you can come up with is that she's pro-HillaryCare, she'd win California pretty easily. Why would she run over 20 points worse in a Presidential election, against someone more right-wing than Jones?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Neither is almost any other state

Not the point, not the point. Some crazy like Boxer winning in California isn't impressive, neither is a crazy like Cornyn winning in Texas

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There were irregularities yes, but not a massive evil conspiracy or anything...

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O.K then, opposite to the GOP line...

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Funny!

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Keep on dodging the hard things to answer...[/quote]

[Filuwaúrdjan]

And you accuse the left of being out of touch.

Sense of humour failure?

As a serious point, there isn't *much* of a working class in California, sure there's poor people but that's not the same at all...

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I think that it's perfectly fair to call someone who thinks that abortions are great an extremist

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Yeah, but what do *you* think an extremist is?[/quote][/quote]

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Neither is almost any other state

Not the point, not the point. Some crazy like Boxer winning in California isn't impressive, neither is a crazy like Cornyn winning in Texas

Kerry won CA by only 10 points, and it used to be fairly Republican, most recently going Republican in 1988.

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Not big into explanations, I see.

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There were irregularities yes, but not a massive evil conspiracy or anything...
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Ever hear of the FL scrub list?

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O.K then, opposite to the GOP line...

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A lot of sh**t passes the Senate 100-0.

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Funny!
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Well you seem to be heavily criticizing the most pro-union Senator.

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Keep on dodging the hard things to answer...[/quote]

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Do you support Roe vs. Wade, genius?

[A18]

PRO-HILLARYCARE? OH NOES!!!!!

Yeah. I want to be able to work less for other people, and more for myself.

Does anyone actually think Boxer could carry California in a presidential election? Senator and president are two very different jobs.

If the best you can come up with is that she's pro-HillaryCare, she'd win California pretty easily. Why would she run over 20 points worse in a Presidential election, against someone more right-wing than Jones?

No, actually I was replacing the positions Scoonie dismissed as 'moderate' with their actual content.

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We can support abortions with assault weapons. Are any Southerners on board?