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A18
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« on: August 10, 2005, 01:21:42 PM »

I support cutting that too, and if we could get a half decent Supreme Court, the government would have to quit pretending it was constitutional.
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2005, 02:10:04 PM »

No, actually Kerry's favorability rating has dropped to 42%. And that's among adults.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2005, 02:50:07 PM »

lol, Scoonie is such a riot. Jfern just posted like five links giving her 100% ratings from liberal groups, and he insists there's no evidence she's extreme.

There are working millionaires, and no, government catering to any specific group at the expense of freedom is wrong.
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A18
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2005, 02:54:05 PM »

lol, Scoonie is such a riot. Jfern just posted like five links giving her 100% ratings from liberal groups, and he insists there's no evidence she's extreme.

There are working millionaires, and no, government catering to any specific group at the expense of freedom is wrong.

You probably think that the 86% of America who want to raise the minimum wage are extreme.

No, I don't. In fact, I don't even mind minimum wage much. I think it's wrong, but so are most government programs. Raise it a bit and index for inflation. Anything over that can be handled on a state-by-state basis.
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A18
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2005, 03:02:01 PM »

No, I oppose minimum wage. It's just not a big deal.
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A18
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2005, 03:11:05 PM »

lol, Scoonie is such a riot. Jfern just posted like five links giving her 100% ratings from liberal groups, and he insists there's no evidence she's extreme.

Oh yeah, 100% ratings from pro-labor, pro-education, pro-environment, pro-property rights, pro-Social Security, and pro-health care groups make her an extremist!! That actually makes her an exemplary Senator.

What kind of sick bast*rd do you have to be to oppose those issues?

"Pro" is vague. I think you mean she's pro-socialism, anti- school choice, pro- housing subsidies, against individual liberty, and pro-Hillarycare.
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A18
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2005, 03:29:13 PM »


Yeah. I want to be able to work less for other people, and more for myself.

Does anyone actually think Boxer could carry California in a presidential election? Senator and president are two very different jobs.
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A18
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2005, 03:34:26 PM »


Yeah. I want to be able to work less for other people, and more for myself.

Does anyone actually think Boxer could carry California in a presidential election? Senator and president are two very different jobs.

If the best you can come up with is that she's pro-HillaryCare, she'd win California pretty easily. Why would she run over 20 points worse in a Presidential election, against someone more right-wing than Jones?

No, actually I was replacing the positions Scoonie dismissed as 'moderate' with their actual content.
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A18
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2005, 03:59:47 PM »


Waiting for that to go in someone's sig...
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A18
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2005, 04:15:51 PM »

More of Al's "arguments." This guy can not follow points at all.
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A18
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2005, 09:58:52 AM »

They wouldn't need a party if they actually intended to support them. My guess is they would instead have other people 'support' them.
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A18
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2005, 01:32:49 PM »

Statistically, Fox isn't biased towards Republicans. Actually, in 2004 Fox tilted slightly left based on the ratio of positive/negative stories dealing with Bush and Kerry.

CNN and CBS were in the 3:1- 4:1 range, so obviously Fox looks conservative in contrast.

And of course, since Scoonie and jfern think Boxer is moderate, obviously anything that isn't total left-wing dribble will be seen as "right-wing" to them.
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A18
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2005, 02:14:22 PM »

Here's another study: http://www.journalism.org/resources/research/reports/debateeffect/positive%20versus%20negative.asp

I'm sorry, people who think Boxer is a moderate are completely unqualified to identify "bias" in the media.
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A18
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2005, 02:26:48 PM »

Here's another study: http://www.journalism.org/resources/research/reports/debateeffect/positive%20versus%20negative.asp

I'm sorry, people who think Boxer is a moderate are completely unqualified to identify "bias" in the media.

I'll admit she's liberal, but she's not the crazy extremist that Al was arguing. If you think that the media is liberally biased, you're as blind as a bat. Even the NY Times was pro-war.

Actually, polls show that three out of four journalists self-identify as liberals.
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A18
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2005, 02:32:11 PM »

Here's another study: http://www.journalism.org/resources/research/reports/debateeffect/positive%20versus%20negative.asp

I'm sorry, people who think Boxer is a moderate are completely unqualified to identify "bias" in the media.

I'll admit she's liberal, but she's not the crazy extremist that Al was arguing. If you think that the media is liberally biased, you're as blind as a bat. Even the NY Times was pro-war.

Actually, polls show that three out of four journalists self-identify as liberals.

The people who own the media don't. And TV tends to be far more conservative than some small town indie newspapers. If you weight everyone in the media business by their influence, you'll see that it's still conservatively biased. Your 3 out of 4 figure sounds a bit out of date or wrong, anyways.

I'm talking about journalists for the major television networks. The CEOs don't write the stories, I'm sorry.
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A18
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2005, 02:37:52 PM »

Alright, again. http://www.journalism.org/resources/research/reports/debateeffect/bushversuskerry.asp
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A18
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2005, 02:39:37 PM »

You want a topic to argue over bias?  How about talk radio?

Talk radio doesn't pretend to be unbiased. The objection is not to liberal networks, but rather the concealment.

Free speech must not be infringed, either way.
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A18
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2005, 02:45:17 PM »


Are you trying to argue that the fact that most of the media said that Kerry won the first debate is proof that they're liberally biased. Bush got housed in that debate.

That's how they handled all the debates.
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A18
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2005, 02:46:52 PM »

You want a topic to argue over bias? How about talk radio?

Talk radio doesn't pretend to be unbiased. The objection is not to liberal networks, but rather the concealment.

Free speech must not be infringed, either way.

FoxNews pretends to be unbiased.

And as I posted earlier, they are slightly left leaning, so yes, I suppose it's a bit dishonest.
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A18
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2005, 02:49:44 PM »

I was citing a study, based on the number of positive and negative stories for Bush and Kerry.
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A18
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2005, 03:10:20 PM »

The deficit as a percentage of GDP was higher as recently as 1992. Cut out the extra 1% for new defense spending, and it's actually about the same as it was 10 years ago. The more relevant number is national debt as a percentage of GDP, which our current deficits do not substantially affect.

All the Bush tax cut says is that the federal government will never collect more than a third of your income. The earned income tax credit was increased, which arguably amounts to welfare, and everyone got some rate reduction.

Lower federal revenues caused crisis in state budgeting? What, are you saying they didn't get enough pork? Surely the increase in education spending and those billions of dollars of transportation pork were enough.

Anyway, if they aren't getting enough federal handouts, all they have to do is raise taxes. They can easily just tax away exactly what the fed no longer is.

Since 57% of young people support personal accounts, here's hoping Social Security is 'dismantled' in the near future.

I actually agree that the energy bill was pretty worthless.
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A18
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2005, 03:20:31 PM »
« Edited: August 11, 2005, 03:25:50 PM by A18 »

Edit: you might have to be logged in to see the image. Here are the raw Gallup numbers.

Support for Private Investment Accounts by Age
18-29:  57% Favor, 39% Oppose
30-49:  51% Favor, 46% Oppose
50-64:  35% Favor, 63% Oppose
65+:     29% Favor, 67% Oppose
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A18
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2005, 05:55:40 PM »

Wow. I bet all you'd have to do is get creamed in a landslide like in 1972, and all of sudden you would control Congress again.
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A18
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2005, 12:36:27 PM »

Bush isn't running for re-election. Nixon didn't start the war, but Eisenhower did.
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A18
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2005, 01:09:30 PM »

Doing things you don't like does not qualify as corruption.

Americans support staying in Iraq until the job is done. Most also approve of the intitial decision to go to war.

Eisenhower was a Republican, and the Vietnam War can be easily traced back to him.
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