WaPo: Mueller now investigating whether Trump obstructed justice

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Well no shinks.

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I thought they've been investigating him for this the whole time. It shows how long and muddled the timeline is.

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Trump refusing to run for a second term as the GOP implodes is highly probable.

I've been saying this for months. It's in everyone's best interests, and a necessity for Trumpism to survive as the replacement of Reaganism.

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Trump refusing to run for a second term as the GOP implodes is highly probable.

I've been saying this for months. It's in everyone's best interests, and a necessity for Trumpism to survive as the replacement of Reaganism.

IF Trump implodes, the GOP will spend the next couple of decades in the wilderness searching for an identity...it won't become the party of Trumpism

Which is why Trump needs to stand down after a term with his dignity in tact to prevent that implosion.

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If anyone honestly think the GOP would impeach Trump, you're either naive or insane.

We don't need the whole GOP. Just enough to hit 218 in the House and 67 in the Senate. A tall order, but midterms + a hypothetical indictment make it much more attainable.

Would 15 GOP senators vote to impeach?

Well, if it gets to the Senate, it would be a vote to convict, so I assume it would depend on what evidence Mueller puts forward, which will presumably not be for a while. If you're looking for a list of 15 Republicans who might vote against Trump, here's roughly my list based on Clinton-state Republicans, those with a moderate/maverick reputation, and those with a personal beef with Trump:

1. Sasse
2. Paul
3. McCain
4. Heller
5. Flake
6. Collins
7. Murkowski
8. Portman
9. Gardner
10. Rubio
11. Lee
12. Hatch
13. Corker
14. Young
15. Cruz - it would certainly be interesting to watch the battle of "he said my dad killed JFK" vs. "I love how much everyone hates me" play out in Cruz's head

I would add Graham to this list as well.

Ah yes. I thought I had him, but maybe my brain just reads McCain and just thinks Graham. Edited.

No way in hell Paul, Cruz (who should but won't because he's a weakling), Corker, and Hatch vote for impeachment. I only see McCain, Sasse, and Graham voting if the evidence is strong enough, with Collins and Murkowski in the mix if the evidence is solid, in which case Trump would and should absolutely be impeached.

If Trump vacates, this would be the perfect time for the GOP to moderate while keeping some of Trump's economic platform (pushing for fair trade to prevent Rust Belt from absolute destruction, etc.). His presidency could actually do this better than a Cruz one or a Pence one could (since Trump is not as conservative as Cruz).

It just wont happen...Trump's entire campaign is based around a central lie that he can stop Globalism. He can't and he never will, nor did he intend to. Remember back in February when he told us he will start tweaking NAFTA...we never heard from him again.

They're working on it. They expect some type of deal by October.

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If anyone honestly think the GOP would impeach Trump, you're either naive or insane.

We don't need the whole GOP. Just enough to hit 218 in the House and 67 in the Senate. A tall order, but midterms + a hypothetical indictment make it much more attainable.

Would 15 GOP senators vote to impeach?

Well, if it gets to the Senate, it would be a vote to convict, so I assume it would depend on what evidence Mueller puts forward, which will presumably not be for a while. If you're looking for a list of 15 Republicans who might vote against Trump, here's roughly my list based on Clinton-state Republicans, those with a moderate/maverick reputation, and those with a personal beef with Trump:

1. Sasse
2. Paul
3. McCain
4. Heller
5. Flake
6. Collins
7. Murkowski
8. Portman
9. Gardner
10. Rubio
11. Lee
12. Hatch
13. Corker
14. Young
15. Cruz - it would certainly be interesting to watch the battle of "he said my dad killed JFK" vs. "I love how much everyone hates me" play out in Cruz's head

I would add Graham to this list as well.

Ah yes. I thought I had him, but maybe my brain just reads McCain and just thinks Graham. Edited.

No way in hell Paul, Cruz (who should but won't because he's a weakling), Corker, and Hatch vote for impeachment. I only see McCain, Sasse, and Graham voting if the evidence is strong enough, with Collins and Murkowski in the mix if the evidence is solid, in which case Trump would and should absolutely be impeached.

If Trump vacates, this would be the perfect time for the GOP to moderate while keeping some of Trump's economic platform (pushing for fair trade to prevent Rust Belt from absolute destruction, etc.). His presidency could actually do this better than a Cruz one or a Pence one could (since Trump is not as conservative as Cruz).

It just wont happen...Trump's entire campaign is based around a central lie that he can stop Globalism. He can't and he never will, nor did he intend to. Remember back in February when he told us he will start tweaking NAFTA...we never heard from him again.

They're working on it. They expect some type of deal by October.

He never said he would "stop globalism," only fight it as a method of helping American workers.

No, he said he would stop it to the best he can, and he has. Take Paris for example. Or his reluctance to embrace NATO without securing concessions for America.

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The ultimate problem with Trumpism trying to replace the dominant ideology of the GOP is that it didn't have a clear mandate to do so. Trump was a one man army who didn't build a grassroots movement to get elected representatives running on a Trumpist platform into congress beforehand. And he also didn't have the political capital going in to negotiate from a standpoint that would allow him to craft legislation based on his ideology. He garnered only 46% of the electorate and came in with poor approval ratings which have only gone down.

Also what exactly is Trumpism? Is it becasically an Americanized version of the National Front?

PM me tomorrow, because there are a series of posts by FuzzyBear, myself, and others that I feel adequately define what is "Trumpism." I'm too tired and lazy to find it now. I'm sorta burned out for the day on debate

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The ultimate problem with Trumpism trying to replace the dominant ideology of the GOP is that it didn't have a clear mandate to do so. Trump was a one man army who didn't build a grassroots movement to get elected representatives running on a Trumpist platform into congress beforehand. And he also didn't have the political capital going in to negotiate from a standpoint that would allow him to craft legislation based on his ideology. He garnered only 46% of the electorate and came in with poor approval ratings which have only gone down.

Also what exactly is Trumpism? Is it becasically an Americanized version of the National Front?

PM me tomorrow, because there are a series of posts by FuzzyBear, myself, and others that I feel adequately define what is "Trumpism." I'm too tired and lazy to find it now. I'm sorta burned out for the day on debate

You're going to quote something from FuzzyBear ?
God help us !

You seem to have a habit of calling out people without contributing more than a handful of poorly formatted sentences. Why don't you define Trumpism with more than four paragraphs and give me your perception of something for once?

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There's no substantial difference between 'Trumpism' and 'Reaganism'. There could have been - Trump was uniquely positioned, among all Republican Presidential nominees, to endorse a Keynesian cornerstone like universal health care above the heads of his Party establishment - but this would have required the Trump movement to be a legitimately populist one, rather than a last madcap effort to staunch the self-destruction of the Reagan coalition.

I've recently made the argument that Trumpism, at least rhetorically, is the logical conclusion of Reaganism.

But anywho, this thread is about Mueller. Sorry for getting this off topic.

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Good reference EnglishPete!