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Democrats nominate pro-life candidate
 
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Republicans nominate pro-choice candidate
 
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« on: June 15, 2017, 05:18:59 AM »

What is more likely? Democrats nominate a pro-life candidate for president or vice president or Republicans do the same with a pro-choice politican? Well?
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2017, 08:52:55 AM »

I can see the GOP nominating someone who is cautiously pro-choice. That is, they oppose overturning Roe or making abortion illegal, but they sill support waiting periods, parental consent, ultrasound requirements, etc., and still express a general desire to limit abortions with particularly strong condemnation of sex-selection abortions (female infanticide). I can also see the GOP platform reflecting these views, which would be considered "pro-life" by pro-life Millennials (though not by staunch pro-lifers).

Such a Republican would also put in a good word for pro-life crisis pregnancy centers. The pro-choice (pro-abortion?) activists would probably not be satisfied, but at least a major issue of theirs-- that the GOP would force women to have dangerous, back-alley abortions-- would be neutralized.

As for pro-life Democrats: I believe it is a complete lost cause. Such a Democrat would have to repudiate nearly a half century of evolution in Democratic thought, going back to McGovern. While there are still some pro-life Dems out there, there are not enough to nominate a candidate in my opinion.
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2017, 10:25:30 AM »

I can see the GOP nominating someone who is cautiously pro-choice. That is, they oppose overturning Roe or making abortion illegal, but they sill support waiting periods, parental consent, ultrasound requirements, etc., and still express a general desire to limit abortions with particularly strong condemnation of sex-selection abortions (female infanticide). I can also see the GOP platform reflecting these views, which would be considered "pro-life" by pro-life Millennials (though not by staunch pro-lifers).

Such a Republican would also put in a good word for pro-life crisis pregnancy centers. The pro-choice (pro-abortion?) activists would probably not be satisfied, but at least a major issue of theirs-- that the GOP would force women to have dangerous, back-alley abortions-- would be neutralized.

As for pro-life Democrats: I believe it is a complete lost cause. Such a Democrat would have to repudiate nearly a half century of evolution in Democratic thought, going back to McGovern. While there are still some pro-life Dems out there, there are not enough to nominate a candidate in my opinion.

A pro-life Democrat would look a lot like a Pro-choice Republican except for maybe Roe. Maybe the Democrat would sign a post-Roe personhood law if it had  a reasonable number of justifiable circumstances.
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2017, 10:44:37 AM »

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/08/on-abortion-persistent-divides-between-and-within-the-two-parties-2/

According to that link, this is how the views "roughly" break down between the parties (I paraphrased):

Republicans: 59% Pro-Life, 38% Pro-Choice
  - Conservative: 68% Pro-Life, 30% Pro-Choice
  - Moderate/Liberal: 54% Pro-Life, 41% Pro-Life

Democrats: 70% Pro-Choice, 28% Pro-Life
  - Liberal: 84% Pro-Choice, 14% Pro-Life
  - Moderate/Conservative: 60% Pro-Choice, 38% Pro-Life

Those numbers seem a bit high for "Pro-Choice," but it still would give the impression there are significantly more pro-choice Republicans than pro-life Democrats, so I'll go with that one.

EDIT: I'd also GUESS (no idea) that most pro-choice Republicans are younger and most pro-life Democrats are older, so that's another reason to believe the pro-choice Repub is more likely.
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2017, 12:32:25 PM »
« Edited: June 15, 2017, 12:38:39 PM by mathstatman »

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/08/on-abortion-persistent-divides-between-and-within-the-two-parties-2/

According to that link, this is how the views "roughly" break down between the parties (I paraphrased):

Republicans: 59% Pro-Life, 38% Pro-Choice
  - Conservative: 68% Pro-Life, 30% Pro-Choice
  - Moderate/Liberal: 54% Pro-Life, 41% Pro-Life

Democrats: 70% Pro-Choice, 28% Pro-Life
  - Liberal: 84% Pro-Choice, 14% Pro-Life
  - Moderate/Conservative: 60% Pro-Choice, 38% Pro-Life

Those numbers seem a bit high for "Pro-Choice," but it still would give the impression there are significantly more pro-choice Republicans than pro-life Democrats, so I'll go with that one.

EDIT: I'd also GUESS (no idea) that most pro-choice Republicans are younger and most pro-life Democrats are older, so that's another reason to believe the pro-choice Repub is more likely.
Besides Joe Manchin, are any pro-life Dems prominent in public life?

Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, Al Gore, and Dick Gephardt were all once pro-life, and changed. So the Dem momentum is clearly in the pro-choice direction.

For the Dems to nominate a pro-lifer is about as likely as them nominating one who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which 21 Democratic Senators voted against).
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2017, 01:11:26 PM »

Isn't Bob Casey, Jr. pro-life?  Other than that, though, I'm not sure.  Even culturally conservative Democrats of the past 10-15 years tend to *avoid* abortion rather than be openly pro-life.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2017, 01:15:02 PM »

John Bel Edwards is pro life, but he's Governor of Louisiana.
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2017, 02:49:24 PM »

Isn't Bob Casey, Jr. pro-life?  Other than that, though, I'm not sure.  Even culturally conservative Democrats of the past 10-15 years tend to *avoid* abortion rather than be openly pro-life.

Casey definitely isn't, and even Manchin voted to fund Planned Parenthood recently (another reason why this "Manchin is just as conservative as Capito!" nonsense needs to stop).

Pro-life Democrats are not really a thing these days.

Casey is as pro-life as Kaine is. That is, officially they are, but in reality they aren't.

Pro-Life Democrats don't win anymore. All of whom they appeal to are Republicans.
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2017, 04:15:51 PM »

Donnelly opposes abortion besides for in cases of rape, incest or the life of the mother. Also, Indiana's gubernatorial candidate in '12 and '16, John Gregg, was pro-life with the same exceptions.
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