For the Second Amendment absolutists

[Murica!]

Radical centrism apperantly means giving as much power as possible to the powerful, and leaving the powerless to fend for themselves.

[Person Man]

    Pretty sure that the uprising envisioned against a tyrannical government isn't just one crazy dude. Indeed, if a political interest could not gather a much larger force to fight this tyranny then that would be considered overwhelming evidence that its grievances were not valid.

Right, so what constitutes a justifiable uprising?  Ten people?  One thousand people?  

There will never be an uprising of a thousand people. An uprising will only occur if it is certain of widespread support.

     And that is the point. If you have real grievances that can only be addressed by the violent overthrow of the government, you should be able to assure a broad base of support. A revolt on the order of a thousand people or less would likely constitute either a gross overreaction to a lesser problem or the ravings of a small fringe element.

So something big enougg to be responded to with a nuclear detererrent?

wait...what?  Are you seriously suggesting if a thousand dudes in Idaho take over Boise, we should nuke it?  I hope you're not suggesting that....but, I have no idea what other angle you could be taking here.

Maybe not that..but what do we do when its bigger?  My statement was needlessly provocative but the question is- does the constitution endow the right to wage Civil War and regardless, how does the Government respond?

To me, if you decide its time to overthrow the Government and the Constitution, its permission for you to do so is irrelevant.

At the end of the day, Washington is a crater and we are all now your problem or you are in an oven or glowing in the dark somewhere.

[vanguard96]

Bulls-. The shooter himself essentially gave that as his argument for the shooting.

In the Middle East, you had, most of the time, a small number of U.S soldiers, what the armies in those nations could do is of no bearing to what the U.S military could do.  Also, the gorilla fighters there were never a serious threat to overthrowing their governments, they could just destabilize them.

Your point is where all this leads, for a revolution to succeed, it needs the military to be onside.  If the military is onside, they don't need yahoo Second Amendment types to help them out, if the military is not onside, the yahoos are no threat to them.  If the military stays neutral (for a time), we get to my second point: the public is extremely divided on what a 'tyrannical government' is, and we'd almost certainly have a civil war until the military stepped in and restored order (and the government would stay in power.)

The argument of people needing guns to prevent a tyrannical government is completely nonsensical, and when that argument is rejected once and for all, the courts, the government and the people can turn to interpreting the Second Amendment under the sound argument of people having a basic right to own firearms for their own personal safety. 

Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, James Madison, Patrick Henry, George Mason, et al. were all nonsensical in your book?

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Historically, the 2nd Amendment exists because of the deep distrust of standing armies in the early republic, yet something was needed to defend the country and the frontier. The militia system was intended to remove the need for a standing army. So if we really want to return to our Constitutional roots, we need to get rid of the U.S. Army, or at least reduce it down to a single brigade.

Sure, in theory. But I can almost guarantee you that if Madison were alive today, and had adapted to the modern world, he would not support repealing the Second Amendment.

So he'd be in favor of making major cuts to a bloated military-industrial complex? The idea that we mind read people dead two centuries is ludicrous.